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Ngugi wa Thiongo favorite to win Nobel Prize
tycho
#41 Posted : Tuesday, July 21, 2015 7:22:51 AM
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masukuma wrote:
tycho wrote:
masukuma wrote:
He had some interesting viewpoints... he validates my worldview of the 'tribe' thing we keep on labling ourselves. Why not say 'the Luo People', 'The Luhya Nation', 'The Kikuyu Community' or even at least 'The Kamba ethnic group'? or just call them 'The Luo...'? Why do we have the notion of 'Tribe'? tribe is a bunch of people in a forest somewhere under some chief who has some skulls around his neck.


Hapaa, tunacheza na maneno
Ngeli ni ya gongaaa!

where does tribe end and "people/community/nation/ethnic group" begin? are the Kurds a tribe? what makes the swedish a group of people with 9 million people more a 'nation' than the zulus who are 11 million?


Words are not the things they represent, so the question is why they are used in whatever context, and the rules are guided by politics. Choosing a definition is a political act that may not be shared by others. . .
kaka2za
#42 Posted : Tuesday, July 21, 2015 8:16:22 AM
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The good Prof confirmed my fears that diasporans have lost touch with reality.
He repeatedly used the analogy of Gachamba and Njonjo. I wonder how many in the audience had ever heard of Gachamba. His recollections are stuck in 1970s.
Truth forever on the scaffold
Wrong forever on the throne
(James Russell Rowell)
Impunity
#43 Posted : Tuesday, July 21, 2015 8:37:54 AM
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wazuaguest wrote:
Why did they attack Ngugi and wife the first time he came back,and of all the place's at Norfolk?


That was one of the worst thing these people did to the son of the soil, in his own motherland and after he had kneeled down and kissed the Earth at Kamirithu village.

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innairobi
#44 Posted : Tuesday, July 21, 2015 9:39:07 AM
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Its okay if he wins it and okay if he doesnt. A man who stands for black consciousness shouldnt be legitimized by a white man's award. The peace and literature awards are just statements of the West's overarching foreign policy and often make no sense whatsoever. The person who gets the award is rarely the most deserving.
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PeterReborn
#45 Posted : Tuesday, July 21, 2015 5:44:58 PM
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kaka2za wrote:
The good Prof confirmed my fears that diasporans have lost touch with reality.
He repeatedly used the analogy of Gachamba and Njonjo. I wonder how many in the audience had ever heard of Gachamba. His recollections are stuck in 1970s.

Most of the young generation may not have heard about Gachamba but that analogy is very relevant.
We need to rethink our value system and the education system.
In Fact the weakening shilling could also be attributed to our peculiar habits.We think something that is foreign is more superior than our local products.We are importing everything including rice because of the middle class status and inferiority complex.We prefer everything foreign hence the ridiculously huge imports.
Our education system lacks innovation and the students are busy cramming for the exams with no value addition.Our creative industry is dead with no support from the government.
Those who encouraged the growth of the creative industry like Mzee Ojwang are dying poor and we have no shame.Sad Sad

Consistency is better than intensity
tycho
#46 Posted : Tuesday, July 21, 2015 5:59:48 PM
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PeterReborn wrote:
kaka2za wrote:
The good Prof confirmed my fears that diasporans have lost touch with reality.
He repeatedly used the analogy of Gachamba and Njonjo. I wonder how many in the audience had ever heard of Gachamba. His recollections are stuck in 1970s.

Most of the young generation may not have heard about Gachamba but that analogy is very relevant.
We need to rethink our value system and the education system.
In Fact the weakening shilling could also be attributed to our peculiar habits.We think something that is foreign is more superior than our local products.We are importing everything including rice because of the middle class status and inferiority complex.We prefer everything foreign hence the ridiculously huge imports.
Our education system lacks innovation and the students are busy cramming for the exams with no value addition.Our creative industry is dead with no support from the government.
Those who encouraged the growth of the creative industry like Mzee Ojwang are dying poor and we have no shame.Sad Sad



In what way is this analogy relevant now? And how does it promote a value re-think?
kaka2za
#47 Posted : Tuesday, July 21, 2015 6:44:40 PM
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PeterReborn wrote:
kaka2za wrote:
The good Prof confirmed my fears that diasporans have lost touch with reality.
He repeatedly used the analogy of Gachamba and Njonjo. I wonder how many in the audience had ever heard of Gachamba. His recollections are stuck in 1970s.

Most of the young generation may not have heard about Gachamba but that analogy is very relevant.
We need to rethink our value system and the education system.
In Fact the weakening shilling could also be attributed to our peculiar habits.We think something that is foreign is more superior than our local products.We are importing everything including rice because of the middle class status and inferiority complex.We prefer everything foreign hence the ridiculously huge imports.
Our education system lacks innovation and the students are busy cramming for the exams with no value addition.Our creative industry is dead with no support from the government.
Those who encouraged the growth of the creative industry like Mzee Ojwang are dying poor and we have no shame.Sad Sad



I hear you.Is it not peculiar that the Prof is himself an import?
I understand his reasons for fleeing the country in the 1980s but not now.He should be teaching those values in our universities.
Mzee Ojwang was arguably more popular in Tz than in his home country and would probably have been richer if he had relocated.
Ngugi is in US for the money and is just waxing lyrically about values.
Truth forever on the scaffold
Wrong forever on the throne
(James Russell Rowell)
PeterReborn
#48 Posted : Tuesday, July 21, 2015 7:26:16 PM
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kaka2za wrote:
PeterReborn wrote:
kaka2za wrote:
The good Prof confirmed my fears that diasporans have lost touch with reality.
He repeatedly used the analogy of Gachamba and Njonjo. I wonder how many in the audience had ever heard of Gachamba. His recollections are stuck in 1970s.

Most of the young generation may not have heard about Gachamba but that analogy is very relevant.
We need to rethink our value system and the education system.
In Fact the weakening shilling could also be attributed to our peculiar habits.We think something that is foreign is more superior than our local products.We are importing everything including rice because of the middle class status and inferiority complex.We prefer everything foreign hence the ridiculously huge imports.
Our education system lacks innovation and the students are busy cramming for the exams with no value addition.Our creative industry is dead with no support from the government.
Those who encouraged the growth of the creative industry like Mzee Ojwang are dying poor and we have no shame.Sad Sad



I hear you.Is it not peculiar that the Prof is himself an import?
I understand his reasons for fleeing the country in the 1980s but not now.He should be teaching those values in our universities.
Mzee Ojwang was arguably more popular in Tz than in his home country and would probably have been richer if he had relocated.
Ngugi is in US for the money and is just waxing lyrically about values.

He wont add much value if he was to come to Kenya.We have enough university lecturers who have gone to those foreign universities and come back.Look at the way Kenyans rate highly those foreign certificates from community college and undermine the degrees from here.All his kids including those who were born in mayuu can speak Gikuyu showing that he has preserved the Gikuyu culture.We should focus more on his ideas as opposed to his personna.He asked some val;id questions.Why is the God in the Bible more superior than the God of Gikuyu and Mumbi (God of Kirinyaga) whom the Agikuyu used to go and offer prayers in the mountain?
Mzee Ojwang was a true patriot and he couldn't just move to Tanzania for the money.Sad that he will buried in Lang'ata.
Consistency is better than intensity
kaka2za
#49 Posted : Tuesday, July 21, 2015 8:14:39 PM
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PeterReborn wrote:
kaka2za wrote:
PeterReborn wrote:
kaka2za wrote:
The good Prof confirmed my fears that diasporans have lost touch with reality.
He repeatedly used the analogy of Gachamba and Njonjo. I wonder how many in the audience had ever heard of Gachamba. His recollections are stuck in 1970s.

Most of the young generation may not have heard about Gachamba but that analogy is very relevant.
We need to rethink our value system and the education system.
In Fact the weakening shilling could also be attributed to our peculiar habits.We think something that is foreign is more superior than our local products.We are importing everything including rice because of the middle class status and inferiority complex.We prefer everything foreign hence the ridiculously huge imports.
Our education system lacks innovation and the students are busy cramming for the exams with no value addition.Our creative industry is dead with no support from the government.
Those who encouraged the growth of the creative industry like Mzee Ojwang are dying poor and we have no shame.Sad Sad



I hear you.Is it not peculiar that the Prof is himself an import?
I understand his reasons for fleeing the country in the 1980s but not now.He should be teaching those values in our universities.
Mzee Ojwang was arguably more popular in Tz than in his home country and would probably have been richer if he had relocated.
Ngugi is in US for the money and is just waxing lyrically about values.

He wont add much value if he was to come to Kenya.We have enough university lecturers who have gone to those foreign universities and come back.Look at the way Kenyans rate highly those foreign certificates from community college and undermine the degrees from here.All his kids including those who were born in mayuu can speak Gikuyu showing that he has preserved the Gikuyu culture.We should focus more on his ideas as opposed to his personna.He asked some val;id questions.Why is the God in the Bible more superior than the God of Gikuyu and Mumbi (God of Kirinyaga) whom the Agikuyu used to go and offer prayers in the mountain?
Mzee Ojwang was a true patriot and he couldn't just move to Tanzania for the money.Sad that he will buried in Lang'ata.


What's wrong with being buried in Langata? I understand the mother of our first lady was interred there.
Truth forever on the scaffold
Wrong forever on the throne
(James Russell Rowell)
PeterReborn
#50 Posted : Tuesday, July 21, 2015 8:21:15 PM
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Joined: 1/3/2014
Posts: 1,063
kaka2za wrote:
PeterReborn wrote:
kaka2za wrote:
PeterReborn wrote:
kaka2za wrote:
The good Prof confirmed my fears that diasporans have lost touch with reality.
He repeatedly used the analogy of Gachamba and Njonjo. I wonder how many in the audience had ever heard of Gachamba. His recollections are stuck in 1970s.

Most of the young generation may not have heard about Gachamba but that analogy is very relevant.
We need to rethink our value system and the education system.
In Fact the weakening shilling could also be attributed to our peculiar habits.We think something that is foreign is more superior than our local products.We are importing everything including rice because of the middle class status and inferiority complex.We prefer everything foreign hence the ridiculously huge imports.
Our education system lacks innovation and the students are busy cramming for the exams with no value addition.Our creative industry is dead with no support from the government.
Those who encouraged the growth of the creative industry like Mzee Ojwang are dying poor and we have no shame.Sad Sad



I hear you.Is it not peculiar that the Prof is himself an import?
I understand his reasons for fleeing the country in the 1980s but not now.He should be teaching those values in our universities.
Mzee Ojwang was arguably more popular in Tz than in his home country and would probably have been richer if he had relocated.
Ngugi is in US for the money and is just waxing lyrically about values.

He wont add much value if he was to come to Kenya.We have enough university lecturers who have gone to those foreign universities and come back.Look at the way Kenyans rate highly those foreign certificates from community college and undermine the degrees from here.All his kids including those who were born in mayuu can speak Gikuyu showing that he has preserved the Gikuyu culture.We should focus more on his ideas as opposed to his personna.He asked some val;id questions.Why is the God in the Bible more superior than the God of Gikuyu and Mumbi (God of Kirinyaga) whom the Agikuyu used to go and offer prayers in the mountain?
Mzee Ojwang was a true patriot and he couldn't just move to Tanzania for the money.Sad that he will buried in Lang'ata.


What's wrong with being buried in Langata? I understand the mother of our first lady was interred there.

Lang'ata got filled a few years ago and some people ate the money for a new cemetery.He needs his own space where we dont have to unbury some bodies.
Consistency is better than intensity
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