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Finally after a long and winding road of negotiations a deal is made. A win for diplomacy. Goes a long way to show that constructive engagement is the way to go as opposed to "operation shock & awe" types. Dunia ni msongamano..
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Rank: Member Joined: 11/17/2009 Posts: 399 Location: Where everyone knows you
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With sanctions removed, Iran will be able to start exporting oil.
This will lower world oil prices.
Good for us.
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The Sunni axis led by Saudi Arabia are furious at this move. Iran is likely to emerge as the superpower of the Arab world.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 12/4/2009 Posts: 1,982 Location: matano manne
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MatataMingi wrote:With sanctions removed, Iran will be able to start exporting oil.
This will lower world oil prices.
Good for us. At least the KES can breathe easy....recent pressure has been unrelenting.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 5/31/2008 Posts: 1,076
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MatataMingi wrote:With sanctions removed, Iran will be able to start exporting oil.
This will lower world oil prices.
Good for us. actually immediately after breaking of the news crude oil prices in the world market were reported to have fallen Dunia ni msongamano..
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/7/2012 Posts: 11,921
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B.Timer wrote:MatataMingi wrote:With sanctions removed, Iran will be able to start exporting oil.
This will lower world oil prices.
Good for us. actually immediately after breaking of the news crude oil prices in the world market were reported to have fallen Great. Hopefully will save Kes from choking. Another opportunity for US to stock cheaply!!! In the business world, everyone is paid in two coins - cash and experience. Take the experience first; the cash will come later - H Geneen
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 11/17/2009 Posts: 1,049
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I think this was a good move, one that promotes peace in the world. On this subject I find Netanyahu's stance unreasonable and impracticable. If he proceeds that way, he risks alienating Israel. Just as absolute power corrupts leaders, so does absolute fanaticism blind the people from logic
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Rank: Elder Joined: 11/14/2007 Posts: 4,152
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Nandwa wrote:I think this was a good move, one that promotes peace in the world.
On this subject I find Netanyahu's stance unreasonable and impracticable.
If he proceeds that way, he risks alienating Israel. How do you expect Netanyahu to support a deal involving people who have vowed to destroy Israel, the Iranian General Mohammad Reza Naqdi recently declared that erasing Israel off the map is non-negotiable. IMO, this deal will definitely strain relations between the Obama administration and one of their key allies.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 12/4/2009 Posts: 1,982 Location: matano manne
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TAZ wrote:Nandwa wrote:I think this was a good move, one that promotes peace in the world.
On this subject I find Netanyahu's stance unreasonable and impracticable.
If he proceeds that way, he risks alienating Israel. How do you expect Netanyahu to support a deal involving people who have vowed to destroy Israel, the Iranian General Mohammad Reza Naqdi recently declared that erasing Israel off the map is non-negotiable. IMO, this deal will definitely strain relations between the Obama administration and one of their key allies. It doesn't matter
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 11/17/2009 Posts: 1,049
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TAZ wrote:Nandwa wrote:I think this was a good move, one that promotes peace in the world.
On this subject I find Netanyahu's stance unreasonable and impracticable.
If he proceeds that way, he risks alienating Israel. How do you expect Netanyahu to support a deal involving people who have vowed to destroy Israel, the Iranian General Mohammad Reza Naqdi recently declared that erasing Israel off the map is non-negotiable. IMO, this deal will definitely strain relations between the Obama administration and one of their key allies. Netanyahu has got to be realistic and cast himself as different from nut cases such as the ayatollahs. Granted the Irans have made it their business to keep shouting death to Israel & US, which is more a sign of frustration and immaturity than anything else. While so chanting the same Iran had to nego with a US led team on matters some of which are very domestic and should otberwise not be open to foreigners leave one a Country they call the great Satan! That by itself should tell us not to take them seriously when they chant death to the great Satan, death to Israel. In any case what better alternatives are possible - war! Just as absolute power corrupts leaders, so does absolute fanaticism blind the people from logic
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 12/4/2009 Posts: 1,982 Location: matano manne
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Nandwa wrote:TAZ wrote:Nandwa wrote:I think this was a good move, one that promotes peace in the world.
On this subject I find Netanyahu's stance unreasonable and impracticable.
If he proceeds that way, he risks alienating Israel. How do you expect Netanyahu to support a deal involving people who have vowed to destroy Israel, the Iranian General Mohammad Reza Naqdi recently declared that erasing Israel off the map is non-negotiable. IMO, this deal will definitely strain relations between the Obama administration and one of their key allies. Netanyahu has got to be realistic and cast himself as different from nut cases such as the ayatollahs. Granted the Irans have made it their business to keep shouting death to Israel & US, which is more a sign of frustration and immaturity than anything else. While so chanting the same Iran had to nego with a US led team on matters some of which are very domestic and should otberwise not be open to foreigners leave one a Country they call the great Satan! That by itself should tell us not to take them seriously when they chant death to the great Satan, death to Israel. In any case what better alternatives are possible - war! Israel would rather have a permanent conflict than the deal. Now Saudi is checked.....here the enemy of your enemy is not necessarily your friend.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/10/2008 Posts: 9,131 Location: Kanjo
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Rahatupu wrote:Nandwa wrote:TAZ wrote:Nandwa wrote:I think this was a good move, one that promotes peace in the world.
On this subject I find Netanyahu's stance unreasonable and impracticable.
If he proceeds that way, he risks alienating Israel. How do you expect Netanyahu to support a deal involving people who have vowed to destroy Israel, the Iranian General Mohammad Reza Naqdi recently declared that erasing Israel off the map is non-negotiable. IMO, this deal will definitely strain relations between the Obama administration and one of their key allies. Netanyahu has got to be realistic and cast himself as different from nut cases such as the ayatollahs. Granted the Irans have made it their business to keep shouting death to Israel & US, which is more a sign of frustration and immaturity than anything else. While so chanting the same Iran had to nego with a US led team on matters some of which are very domestic and should otberwise not be open to foreigners leave one a Country they call the great Satan! That by itself should tell us not to take them seriously when they chant death to the great Satan, death to Israel. In any case what better alternatives are possible - war! Israel would rather have a permanent conflict than the deal. Now Saudi is checked.....here the enemy of your enemy is not necessarily your friend. I am liking Obama's 2nd term, where things have not worked same way in decades, he has a different approach. Iran, Cuba, middle east....now if only ISIS & Putin could behave themselves. I am waiting for his reform on Justice System, save some kiashes from mass incarcerations. he could just end his term in the 60% approval ratings. i.am.back!!!!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/17/2009 Posts: 3,583 Location: Kenya
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harrydre wrote:Rahatupu wrote:Nandwa wrote:TAZ wrote:Nandwa wrote:I think this was a good move, one that promotes peace in the world.
On this subject I find Netanyahu's stance unreasonable and impracticable.
If he proceeds that way, he risks alienating Israel. How do you expect Netanyahu to support a deal involving people who have vowed to destroy Israel, the Iranian General Mohammad Reza Naqdi recently declared that erasing Israel off the map is non-negotiable. IMO, this deal will definitely strain relations between the Obama administration and one of their key allies. Netanyahu has got to be realistic and cast himself as different from nut cases such as the ayatollahs. Granted the Irans have made it their business to keep shouting death to Israel & US, which is more a sign of frustration and immaturity than anything else. While so chanting the same Iran had to nego with a US led team on matters some of which are very domestic and should otberwise not be open to foreigners leave one a Country they call the great Satan! That by itself should tell us not to take them seriously when they chant death to the great Satan, death to Israel. In any case what better alternatives are possible - war! Israel would rather have a permanent conflict than the deal. Now Saudi is checked.....here the enemy of your enemy is not necessarily your friend. I am liking Obama's 2nd term, where things have not worked same way in decades, he has a different approach. Iran, Cuba, middle east....now if only ISIS & Putin could behave themselves. I am waiting for his reform on Justice System, save some kiashes from mass incarcerations. he could just end his term in the 60% approval ratings.  sasa kwa nini unaweka Putin hapo, what wrong has he done to merit change of behavior. Ama kwa sababu hollywood wamesema he is bad it stands.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 11/14/2007 Posts: 4,152
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Rahatupu wrote:Nandwa wrote:TAZ wrote:Nandwa wrote:I think this was a good move, one that promotes peace in the world.
On this subject I find Netanyahu's stance unreasonable and impracticable.
If he proceeds that way, he risks alienating Israel. How do you expect Netanyahu to support a deal involving people who have vowed to destroy Israel, the Iranian General Mohammad Reza Naqdi recently declared that erasing Israel off the map is non-negotiable. IMO, this deal will definitely strain relations between the Obama administration and one of their key allies. Netanyahu has got to be realistic and cast himself as different from nut cases such as the ayatollahs. Granted the Irans have made it their business to keep shouting death to Israel & US, which is more a sign of frustration and immaturity than anything else. While so chanting the same Iran had to nego with a US led team on matters some of which are very domestic and should otberwise not be open to foreigners leave one a Country they call the great Satan! That by itself should tell us not to take them seriously when they chant death to the great Satan, death to Israel. In any case what better alternatives are possible - war! Israel would rather have a permanent conflict than the deal. Now Saudi is checked.....here the enemy of your enemy is not necessarily your friend. This deal actually seeks to legitimize Iran's nuclear program by allowing them to conduct more research and development, the P5+1 will rely on the IAEA Inspectors to ensure that Iran complies with terms of the deal. However, Tehran included a condition that immediate access to any nuclear site without prior notice would not be granted, so how they hell will they ever catch them off guard. Btw this deal only provides temporary restrictions, Iran still will maintain its's technical capabilities to maintain a nuclear program and they will now have $150 billion to do so. Israel has the most to gain or lose with this Iranian nuclear deal and i think they will do everything to ensure Iran fully complies, which might rub Tehran the wrong way. As for the rest of us, its definitely good because lifting of sanctions on Iranian oil exports would further flood the market and bring prices down.....so why should we care about Iran's nuclear program! Btw Clinton had a similar deal with North Korea in 1994.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 11/17/2009 Posts: 1,049
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TAZ wrote:Rahatupu wrote:Nandwa wrote:TAZ wrote:Nandwa wrote:I think this was a good move, one that promotes peace in the world.
On this subject I find Netanyahu's stance unreasonable and impracticable.
If he proceeds that way, he risks alienating Israel. How do you expect Netanyahu to support a deal involving people who have vowed to destroy Israel, the Iranian General Mohammad Reza Naqdi recently declared that erasing Israel off the map is non-negotiable. IMO, this deal will definitely strain relations between the Obama administration and one of their key allies. Netanyahu has got to be realistic and cast himself as different from nut cases such as the ayatollahs. Granted the Irans have made it their business to keep shouting death to Israel & US, which is more a sign of frustration and immaturity than anything else. While so chanting the same Iran had to nego with a US led team on matters some of which are very domestic and should otberwise not be open to foreigners leave one a Country they call the great Satan! That by itself should tell us not to take them seriously when they chant death to the great Satan, death to Israel. In any case what better alternatives are possible - war! Israel would rather have a permanent conflict than the deal. Now Saudi is checked.....here the enemy of your enemy is not necessarily your friend. This deal actually seeks to legitimize Iran's nuclear program by allowing them to conduct more research and development, the P5+1 will rely on the IAEA Inspectors to ensure that Iran complies with terms of the deal. However, Tehran included a condition that immediate access to any nuclear site without prior notice would not be granted, so how they hell will they ever catch them off guard. Btw this deal only provides temporary restrictions, Iran still will maintain its's technical capabilities to maintain a nuclear program and they will now have $150 billion to do so. Israel has the most to gain or lose with this Iranian nuclear deal and i think they will do everything to ensure Iran fully complies, which might rub Tehran the wrong way. As for the rest of us, its definitely good because lifting of sanctions on Iranian oil exports would further flood the market and bring prices down.....so why should we care about Iran's nuclear program! Btw Clinton had a similar deal with North Korea in 1994. So in Netanyahu's view dont have the deal, instead bomb Iran into submission! Well if he thinks that works, let him get on with it, but as for Obamas US it's the deal iso war. And by the way with the deal Iran cant get away with cheating on developing a nuclear bomb nor can it deny access to investigations as it has only been given 24 days window before investigators inevitably check in. The deal provides that out of the 8 signatories to the deal a minimum of 5 voting for are required to pass a binding resolution to probe/enforce requiments of the deal. If all else fails military intervention still remains an option - but give diplomacy a chance first. Just as absolute power corrupts leaders, so does absolute fanaticism blind the people from logic
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/17/2009 Posts: 3,583 Location: Kenya
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Nandwa wrote:TAZ wrote:Rahatupu wrote:Nandwa wrote:TAZ wrote:Nandwa wrote:I think this was a good move, one that promotes peace in the world.
On this subject I find Netanyahu's stance unreasonable and impracticable.
If he proceeds that way, he risks alienating Israel. How do you expect Netanyahu to support a deal involving people who have vowed to destroy Israel, the Iranian General Mohammad Reza Naqdi recently declared that erasing Israel off the map is non-negotiable. IMO, this deal will definitely strain relations between the Obama administration and one of their key allies. Netanyahu has got to be realistic and cast himself as different from nut cases such as the ayatollahs. Granted the Irans have made it their business to keep shouting death to Israel & US, which is more a sign of frustration and immaturity than anything else. While so chanting the same Iran had to nego with a US led team on matters some of which are very domestic and should otberwise not be open to foreigners leave one a Country they call the great Satan! That by itself should tell us not to take them seriously when they chant death to the great Satan, death to Israel. In any case what better alternatives are possible - war! Israel would rather have a permanent conflict than the deal. Now Saudi is checked.....here the enemy of your enemy is not necessarily your friend. This deal actually seeks to legitimize Iran's nuclear program by allowing them to conduct more research and development, the P5+1 will rely on the IAEA Inspectors to ensure that Iran complies with terms of the deal. However, Tehran included a condition that immediate access to any nuclear site without prior notice would not be granted, so how they hell will they ever catch them off guard. Btw this deal only provides temporary restrictions, Iran still will maintain its's technical capabilities to maintain a nuclear program and they will now have $150 billion to do so. Israel has the most to gain or lose with this Iranian nuclear deal and i think they will do everything to ensure Iran fully complies, which might rub Tehran the wrong way. As for the rest of us, its definitely good because lifting of sanctions on Iranian oil exports would further flood the market and bring prices down.....so why should we care about Iran's nuclear program! Btw Clinton had a similar deal with North Korea in 1994. So in Netanyahu's view dont have the deal, instead bomb Iran into submission! Well if he thinks that works, let him get on with it, but as for Obamas US it's the deal iso war. And by the way with the deal Iran cant get away with cheating on developing a nuclear bomb nor can it deny access to investigations as it has only been given 24 days window before investigators inevitably check in. The deal provides that out of the 8 signatories to the deal a minimum of 5 voting for are required to pass a binding resolution to probe/enforce requiments of the deal. If all else fails military intervention still remains an option - but give diplomacy a chance first. If military intervention was an option the Americans would have taken it - hawa watu ni war fanatics. They know vita hawawezi toboa, the same with the crazy north koreans - that's why they are pushing their so called diplomacy.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/4/2006 Posts: 13,822 Location: Nairobi
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TAZ wrote:Nandwa wrote:I think this was a good move, one that promotes peace in the world.
On this subject I find Netanyahu's stance unreasonable and impracticable.
If he proceeds that way, he risks alienating Israel. How do you expect Netanyahu to support a deal involving people who have vowed to destroy Israel, the Iranian General Mohammad Reza Naqdi recently declared that erasing Israel off the map is non-negotiable. IMO, this deal will definitely strain relations between the Obama administration and one of their key allies. I am sure they have enough erasers to remove it from the map! or they could just print a map without israel on it! or one that has iran as being the largest country in the world.... by the way @Makali1 alienda wapi? I am pretty sure there is an End of world/age prophesy that can be invoked somewhere here! All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/4/2006 Posts: 13,822 Location: Nairobi
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 All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 12/4/2009 Posts: 1,982 Location: matano manne
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TAZ wrote:Rahatupu wrote:Nandwa wrote:TAZ wrote:Nandwa wrote:I think this was a good move, one that promotes peace in the world.
On this subject I find Netanyahu's stance unreasonable and impracticable.
If he proceeds that way, he risks alienating Israel. How do you expect Netanyahu to support a deal involving people who have vowed to destroy Israel, the Iranian General Mohammad Reza Naqdi recently declared that erasing Israel off the map is non-negotiable. IMO, this deal will definitely strain relations between the Obama administration and one of their key allies. Netanyahu has got to be realistic and cast himself as different from nut cases such as the ayatollahs. Granted the Irans have made it their business to keep shouting death to Israel & US, which is more a sign of frustration and immaturity than anything else. While so chanting the same Iran had to nego with a US led team on matters some of which are very domestic and should otberwise not be open to foreigners leave one a Country they call the great Satan! That by itself should tell us not to take them seriously when they chant death to the great Satan, death to Israel. In any case what better alternatives are possible - war! Israel would rather have a permanent conflict than the deal. Now Saudi is checked.....here the enemy of your enemy is not necessarily your friend. This deal actually seeks to legitimize Iran's nuclear program by allowing them to conduct more research and development, the P5+1 will rely on the IAEA Inspectors to ensure that Iran complies with terms of the deal. However, Tehran included a condition that immediate access to any nuclear site without prior notice would not be granted, so how they hell will they ever catch them off guard. Btw this deal only provides temporary restrictions, Iran still will maintain its's technical capabilities to maintain a nuclear program and they will now have $150 billion to do so. Israel has the most to gain or lose with this Iranian nuclear deal and i think they will do everything to ensure Iran fully complies, which might rub Tehran the wrong way. As for the rest of us, its definitely good because lifting of sanctions on Iranian oil exports would further flood the market and bring prices down.....so why should we care about Iran's nuclear program! Btw Clinton had a similar deal with North Korea in 1994. @Taz, Ditto. Nuclear technology and knowhow are difficult to eliminate from a country.....so limiting the capacity is the only alternative. But for how long.....the deal spells 15 yrs after which Iran may race for the bomb. IMHO the acquisition of the bomb by Iran will have a deterrent effect on Israel hence Mid East peace maybe realised.
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