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Uchumi - A value play?
murchr
#141 Posted : Saturday, July 11, 2015 6:37:20 AM
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RETAIL chain Uchumi Supermarkets will sell 20 acres in Kasarani valued at Sh2.2 billion, as part of its plans to raise cash for its turnaround programme.

The company which has been facing financial problems partly blamed on poor governance, announced yesterday that the sale process for the land will begin immediately.

- See more at: http://www.the-star.co.k...oon#sthash.NjJgh6fM.dpuf
"There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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MaichBlack
#142 Posted : Saturday, July 11, 2015 8:40:07 AM
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murchr wrote:
RETAIL chain Uchumi Supermarkets will sell 20 acres in Kasarani valued at Sh2.2 billion, as part of its plans to raise cash for its turnaround programme.

The company which has been facing financial problems partly blamed on poor governance, announced yesterday that the sale process for the land will begin immediately.

- See more at: http://www.the-star.co.k...on#sthash.NjJgh6fM.dpuf ^

So they are valuing an acre at Kshs. 110 million??? And the CFO says it is a "conservative" valuation!

Someone is mad here!!! Kenyans or the market or the valuer or the company or the individual or the reporter!
Never count on making a good sale. Have the purchase price be so attractive that even a mediocre sale gives good returns.
enyands
#143 Posted : Saturday, July 11, 2015 9:10:28 AM
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MaichBlack wrote:
murchr wrote:
RETAIL chain Uchumi Supermarkets will sell 20 acres in Kasarani valued at Sh2.2 billion, as part of its plans to raise cash for its turnaround programme.

The company which has been facing financial problems partly blamed on poor governance, announced yesterday that the sale process for the land will begin immediately.

- See more at: http://www.the-star.co.k...on#sthash.NjJgh6fM.dpuf ^

So the are valuing an acre at Kshs. 110 million??? And the CFO says it is a "conservative" valuation!

Someone is mad here!!! Kenyans or the market or the valuer or the company or the individual or the reporter!


Man if people gonna buy land at that price then this is a rich country . An acre selling for 1.1 million USD . Even a plot in North America doesn't go at that price . As you said MaichBlack someone somewhere is lying
Ericsson
#144 Posted : Saturday, July 11, 2015 10:25:21 AM
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@enyands
There are people called institutional investors,pension schemes like NSSF who might grab that land very first at that price
Wealth is built through a relatively simple equation
Wealth=Income + Investments - Lifestyle
lochaz-index
#145 Posted : Saturday, July 11, 2015 12:08:15 PM
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Our real estate market has been experiencing sectional irrationality since the post election violence. Prior to 2003 land as a viable investment was not exciting. With the advent credit and economy expansion that changed and totally went Parabolic after 2007. Land these days will sell at whatever crazy price is quoted as long as there is a willing buyer.

Once speculators(both smart money and wanjiku money) set into the market and are the dominant players in land transactions prices increase exponentially irrespective of return considerations. Couple this with the fact that a lot of illegal money regularly finds refuge in the country and you can see why even land worth billions of shillings changes hands in cash.

It is like when stocks trade at premiums way beyond the underlying fundamentals on the basis of the greater fool theory.
The main purpose of the stock market is to make fools of as many people as possible.
VituVingiSana
#146 Posted : Monday, July 13, 2015 2:08:35 AM
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enyands wrote:
MaichBlack wrote:
murchr wrote:
RETAIL chain Uchumi Supermarkets will sell 20 acres in Kasarani valued at Sh2.2 billion, as part of its plans to raise cash for its turnaround programme.

The company which has been facing financial problems partly blamed on poor governance, announced yesterday that the sale process for the land will begin immediately.

- See more at: http://www.the-star.co.k...on#sthash.NjJgh6fM.dpuf ^

So the are valuing an acre at Kshs. 110 million??? And the CFO says it is a "conservative" valuation!

Someone is mad here!!! Kenyans or the market or the valuer or the company or the individual or the reporter!


Man if people gonna buy land at that price then this is a rich country . An acre selling for 1.1 million USD . Even a plot in North America doesn't go at that price . As you said MaichBlack someone somewhere is lying

I saw a sign in Kilileshwa advertising an acre for 320mn.
Prices in Westlands are quoted at 350mn per acre.
Upper Hill 300-500mn per acre.

For a developer who wants a large chunk to develop a well-designed mall, housing, etc perhaps $1.1mn [110mn] is not a 'heavy' price to pay. What did Centum pay for the 100 acres for Two Rivers?

This is an observation NOT a vindication of these crazy prices!
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
enyands
#147 Posted : Monday, July 13, 2015 6:56:50 AM
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VituVingiSana wrote:
enyands wrote:
MaichBlack wrote:
murchr wrote:
RETAIL chain Uchumi Supermarkets will sell 20 acres in Kasarani valued at Sh2.2 billion, as part of its plans to raise cash for its turnaround programme.

The company which has been facing financial problems partly blamed on poor governance, announced yesterday that the sale process for the land will begin immediately.

- See more at: http://www.the-star.co.k...on#sthash.NjJgh6fM.dpuf ^

So the are valuing an acre at Kshs. 110 million??? And the CFO says it is a "conservative" valuation!

Someone is mad here!!! Kenyans or the market or the valuer or the company or the individual or the reporter!


Man if people gonna buy land at that price then this is a rich country . An acre selling for 1.1 million USD . Even a plot in North America doesn't go at that price . As you said MaichBlack someone somewhere is lying

I saw a sign in Kilileshwa advertising an acre for 320mn.
Prices in Westlands are quoted at 350mn per acre.
Upper Hill 300-500mn per acre.

For a developer who wants a large chunk to develop a well-designed mall, housing, etc perhaps $1.1mn [110mn] is not a 'heavy' price to pay. What did Centum pay for the 100 acres for Two Rivers?

This is an observation NOT a vindication of these crazy prices!


Silicon valley is one of the most expensive places to live in North America . A place called Saratoga an acre of land goes for 1.2 million dollars . In this vicinity is the home of Google and all the high tech companies . I wonder kama home we have reached that level of charging 3.2 million(3 times more ) dollars an acre and yet we are no where ever close to that silicon valley in that USA country .we have no all this IT companies and boosted economy like there in the USA . I still stand by someone is lying somewhere

http://www.cnbc.com/id/48848810
Ericsson
#148 Posted : Monday, July 13, 2015 7:06:02 AM
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@enyands;
Go and check the price of an acre in manhattan
Wealth is built through a relatively simple equation
Wealth=Income + Investments - Lifestyle
enyands
#149 Posted : Monday, July 13, 2015 9:15:00 AM
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Ericsson wrote:
@enyands;
Go and check the price of an acre in manhattan


@ericsson I just checked that manhattan place .its crazy . how can 0.17 acre cost 70,000,000 USD meaning an acre is around 400 million. Anyway beside the point I chose Saratoga silicon valley because its an emerging market huko USA just like here in Kenya its an emerging market too infrastructurewise. But I cant compare relatively manhattan and Upperhill.both logically and economically.Manhattan underwent both economic and industrial revolution in the 50's if not 60's but here home is when we are getting started .So I guess they are roughly 60yrs ahead of us but thanks for pointing that out Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly d'oh!
VituVingiSana
#150 Posted : Tuesday, July 14, 2015 1:56:54 AM
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enyands wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
@enyands;
Go and check the price of an acre in manhattan


@ericsson I just checked that manhattan place .its crazy . how can 0.17 acre cost 70,000,000 USD meaning an acre is around 400 million. Anyway beside the point I chose Saratoga silicon valley because its an emerging market huko USA just like here in Kenya its an emerging market too infrastructurewise. But I cant compare relatively manhattan and Upperhill.both logically and economically.Manhattan underwent both economic and industrial revolution in the 50's if not 60's but here home is when we are getting started .So I guess they are roughly 60yrs ahead of us but thanks for pointing that out Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly d'oh!

Comparing Nairobi to Manhattan? Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly
Manhattan houses the HQs of some of the world's largest firms. Many $$$ billionaires live in Manhattan or have a place there.

Anyway, outside of the major metros, there are 2nd-tier cities (e.g. Minneapolis, Dallas, Tampa, Las Vegas, etc) with far better infrastructure than Nairobi but the prices for housing is far lower.
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
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