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Share Certificate (Boma Estate Mlolongo)
S.Mutaga III
#1 Posted : Tuesday, June 30, 2015 8:07:46 PM
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Hello land gurus. A friend needs some urgent cash and has decided to sell me his 50*100 in a rapidly developing area in Mlolongo. The problem is that the land has a block title and he tells me that I will get a share certificate of Boma Estate, upon which I will get the title myself later. I have heard stories of people suffering and failing to get title deeds for land. My questions are:
- Has anyone here ever dealt with Boma Estate (Mlolongo)? How genuine is the company and how fast do they help in processing individual title deeds?
- Can any bank give me loans using a share certificate as a sign of ownership of some land?
- What are the chances of getting conned?
- This is my first land transaction, and I cant rely on my "gishagi" contacts to do deals in town.What documents must I have at the end of the transaction to ensure transfer of ownership?
NOTE: Ordinarily, I would not buy a piece of land with just a share certificate. However, I visited the area where the land is today and the developments were impressive. There are several projects by large companies such as Jamii Bora and Suraya...the land is between these two mega-projects.I look forward to building flats there in future if the deal goes well. Please advice a newbie in this tricky real estate sector. Thank you
A successful man is not he who gets the best, it is he who makes the best from what he gets.
Pesa Nane
#2 Posted : Tuesday, June 30, 2015 9:22:07 PM
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S.Mutaga III wrote:
Hello land gurus. A friend needs some urgent cash and has decided to sell me his 50*100 in a rapidly developing area in Mlolongo. The problem is that the land has a block title and he tells me that I will get a share certificate of Boma Estate, upon which I will get the title myself later (what he couldn't achieve!). I have heard stories of people suffering and failing to get title deeds for land. My questions are:
- Has anyone here ever dealt with Boma Estate (Mlolongo)? How genuine is the company and how fast do they help (Seems they have not been fast to help your friend) in processing individual title deeds?
- Can any bank give me loans (That must have been option1 for your friend since the land is sooo promising) using a share certificate as a sign of ownership of some land?
- What are the chances of getting conned?
- This is my first land transaction, and I cant rely on my "gishagi" contacts to do deals in town.What documents must I have at the end of the transaction to ensure transfer of ownership?
NOTE: Ordinarily, I would not buy (Its your friend who is in need NOT you, so why the extraordinary on your part?) a piece of land with just a share certificate. However, I visited the area where the land is today and the developments were impressive. There are several projects by large companies such as Jamii Bora and Suraya...the land is between these two mega-projects.I look forward to building flats there in future if the deal goes well. Please advice a newbie in this tricky real estate sector. Thank you

High Risk = High Gain (sometimes)
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S.Mutaga III
#3 Posted : Wednesday, July 01, 2015 6:02:48 AM
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Pesa Nane wrote:
S.Mutaga III wrote:
Hello land gurus. A friend needs some urgent cash and has decided to sell me his 50*100 in a rapidly developing area in Mlolongo. The problem is that the land has a block title and he tells me that I will get a share certificate of Boma Estate, upon which I will get the title myself later (what he couldn't achieve!). I have heard stories of people suffering and failing to get title deeds for land. My questions are:
- Has anyone here ever dealt with Boma Estate (Mlolongo)? How genuine is the company and how fast do they help (Seems they have not been fast to help your friend) in processing individual title deeds?
- Can any bank give me loans (That must have been option1 for your friend since the land is sooo promising) using a share certificate as a sign of ownership of some land?
- What are the chances of getting conned?
- This is my first land transaction, and I cant rely on my "gishagi" contacts to do deals in town.What documents must I have at the end of the transaction to ensure transfer of ownership?
NOTE: Ordinarily, I would not buy (Its your friend who is in need NOT you, so why the extraordinary on your part?) a piece of land with just a share certificate. However, I visited the area where the land is today and the developments were impressive. There are several projects by large companies such as Jamii Bora and Suraya...the land is between these two mega-projects.I look forward to building flats there in future if the deal goes well. Please advice a newbie in this tricky real estate sector. Thank you

High Risk = High Gain (sometimes)

I told the guy to process the title deed and I will meet the transfer costs. Until then, I am not going to buy the land without a valid title deed no matter how sweet the deal is. I just found out that those with share certificates do not appear anywhere as owners in the land registry, cant access loans from banks, may not have their building plans approved and encounter endless hustles in getting their title deed from the sacco which may take years of blood, sweat and tears. Having prime land that I cant use to get credit, cant build on and cant claim legal ownership coupled with an indefinite locking of funds is a nightmare I cant endure. Thanks though.
A successful man is not he who gets the best, it is he who makes the best from what he gets.
Realtreaty
#4 Posted : Wednesday, July 01, 2015 6:51:20 AM
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S.Mutaga III wrote:
Hello land gurus. A friend needs some urgent cash and has decided to sell me his 50*100 in a rapidly developing area in Mlolongo. The problem is that the land has a block title and he tells me that I will get a share certificate of Boma Estate, upon which I will get the title myself later. I have heard stories of people suffering and failing to get title deeds for land. My questions are:
- Has anyone here ever dealt with Boma Estate (Mlolongo)? How genuine is the company and how fast do they help in processing individual title deeds?
- Can any bank give me loans using a share certificate as a sign of ownership of some land?
- What are the chances of getting conned?
- This is my first land transaction, and I cant rely on my "gishagi" contacts to do deals in town.What documents must I have at the end of the transaction to ensure transfer of ownership?
NOTE: Ordinarily, I would not buy a piece of land with just a share certificate. However, I visited the area where the land is today and the developments were impressive. There are several projects by large companies such as Jamii Bora and Suraya...the land is between these two mega-projects.I look forward to building flats there in future if the deal goes well. Please advice a newbie in this tricky real estate sector. Thank you

OLX says, meet in a public location possibly with someone else
make sure the land is there and genuine
Do not pay money before a search and verification of ownership is done- have a qualified surveyor or lawyer
Sevian
#5 Posted : Wednesday, July 01, 2015 11:52:25 PM
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You should run... As fast as possible, as far as possible. Because
1. You cannot verify ownership. Unless the "friend" is someone you can vouch: you know him/her intimately, can trust him/her with something valuable (eg your spouse)
2. You can write off a loss in the worst case scenario eg in the case case of Mlolongo Brothers who sold airport land and issued 'share certificates' OR KMA Housing that bought land and constructed up to 70% before they were informed that the directors who signed off the land used forged docs (eventually losing the subsequent court case)
mlennyma
#6 Posted : Thursday, July 02, 2015 10:08:17 AM
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I can't tell you not to buy because I know guys who has benefited from such deals however listen to your inner self and act independently such that you dont blame anybody incase of the worst,that area is common with guys regrouping, identifying a block title and conning pple,sometimes even the owner of the block is aware
"Don't let the fear of losing be greater than the excitement of winning."
kiwaru
#7 Posted : Thursday, July 02, 2015 10:52:13 AM
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@mlennyma
Due diligence. Due diligence. Due diligence
S.Mutaga III
#8 Posted : Thursday, July 02, 2015 1:31:56 PM
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I never bought the land. It is tying down a decent sum of cash for an indefinite period until when Boma decides to give title deeds, which is obviously not soon. When given a share certificate, you own shares in Boma, not the land. Therefore, the legal owner remains Boma until the plots get valid title deeds. Boma management may even take loans using the block title and there is nothing a shareholder can do about it. It was a trap. Once you buy, you cant sell because nobody buys land without a title deed, you cant build because you cant get a building permit with a share certificate, you cant get a loan because the bank does not recognize a share certificate as sufficient proof of ownership and lastly, in the worst case scenario, I dont think a judge can accept a share certificate as bond/bail/whatever legal term they call it. The land is useless to you.
A successful man is not he who gets the best, it is he who makes the best from what he gets.
B.Timer
#9 Posted : Saturday, July 04, 2015 7:46:00 PM
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Dealing in land without a tittle is akin to playing Russian roullete with your investments.
Kwanza that Mlolongo area is a hot bed for land con artists.
I dont know much about that boma entity but one woul expect that they process titles with ease if all is above board. Any inordinate delays or unclear road map to individual titles acquisition is a cause for alarm
Dunia ni msongamano..
Pesa Nane
#10 Posted : Saturday, July 04, 2015 10:20:39 PM
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S.Mutaga III wrote:
I never bought the land. It is tying down a decent sum of cash for an indefinite period until when Boma decides to give title deeds, which is obviously not soon. When given a share certificate, you own shares in Boma, not the land. Therefore, the legal owner remains Boma until the plots get valid title deeds. Boma management may even take loans using the block title and there is nothing a shareholder can do about it. It was a trap. Once you buy, you cant sell because nobody buys land without a title deed, you cant build because you cant get a building permit with a share certificate, you cant get a loan because the bank does not recognize a share certificate as sufficient proof of ownership and lastly, in the worst case scenario, I dont think a judge can accept a share certificate as bond/bail/whatever legal term they call it. The land is useless to you.

Very comprehensive @S.Mutaga III. I wonder who brought this up! smile
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