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#461 Posted : Friday, June 19, 2015 1:16:25 PM
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guru267
#462 Posted : Friday, June 19, 2015 2:37:03 PM
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Lolest! wrote:
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So how will you get saved? By doing good
Quran 2:25 "And give glad tidings (O Muhammad) unto those who believe and do good works; that theirs are Gardens underneath which rivers flow;"

So it is possible that if our atheist friend hamburglar is doing good works that then he is saved?


One has to believe first.
Mark 12:29
Deuteronomy 4:16
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guru267
#463 Posted : Friday, June 19, 2015 2:41:14 PM
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Muriel wrote:
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The Israelites were saved from enslavement. Christ was saved from death. Why do I need to be saved?

And if I need to be saved, is it the Almighty's will that i be saved?

The Almighty does not have a duty to any human being.


I have not asked from what they were saved. Neither have I asked why you need to be saved.

All I am asking is whether you believe Allah saves and if you are saved.

But from your rhetorical questions you seem to imply whereas it is true that Allah saved others (from whatever), you do not believe that Allah can save you.

Unless you have anything to add, I will end my questions to you and accept your answer.

I turn to Alphdoti for he has not given any indication if he believes Allah or not.


Save from what????????????????????????????????

@Muriel I think you need a therapist. Its coming to two years your obsession with this "saving business"

Please dont let it consume you.
Mark 12:29
Deuteronomy 4:16
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#464 Posted : Friday, June 19, 2015 2:56:18 PM
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guru267 wrote:
Muriel wrote:
guru267 wrote:


I do not believe that my sins are already pre forgiven if that what being saved means...

No single Muslim can believe such nonsense.

I believe that if the Almighty wills Christ will return to take away sin from the world and I believe that if my repentance is sincere then the Almighty is all merciful



Guru, sister, alas you answer a question no one asked! Does saved mean pre forgiven? I had no idea! But your answer offers no resolution to my question.

Does it then mean that Allah pre-forgave the Israelites when he was saving them from Pharaoh's people? Or did he pre-forgive the boy whom Abraham was to sacrifice? Or did he pre-forgive Jesus? Why then can you not believe the simple truth of what Allah did? Mohammed says Allah saved them ,,,

What exactly did Allah do? Does Allah save?

Can any muslim tell me if Allah saves and if they believe they are saved?


The Israelites were saved from enslavement. Christ was saved from death. Why do I need to be saved?

And if I need to be saved, is it the Almighty's will that i be saved?

The Almighty does not have a duty to any human being.


Yahweh saved the Israelites from enslavement. Allah saved his Christ from death.

Yahweh is a different God from Allah and his messiah.

Can Allah save himself from Yahweh?
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Lolest!
#465 Posted : Friday, June 19, 2015 3:27:10 PM
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guru267 wrote:
Lolest! wrote:
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So how will you get saved? By doing good
Quran 2:25 "And give glad tidings (O Muhammad) unto those who believe and do good works; that theirs are Gardens underneath which rivers flow;"

So it is possible that if our atheist friend hamburglar is doing good works that then he is saved?


One has to believe first.

believe...believe in what/who???

How different is this from the new testament's you MUST believe for your good deeds to count? Because that's what Paul says and James reinforces. Your belief in God should lead to good works

Laughing out loudly smile Applause d'oh! Sad Drool Liar Shame on you Pray
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Muriel
#466 Posted : Friday, June 19, 2015 3:47:03 PM
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guru267 wrote:
Muriel wrote:
guru267 wrote:


The Israelites were saved from enslavement. Christ was saved from death. Why do I need to be saved?

And if I need to be saved, is it the Almighty's will that i be saved?

The Almighty does not have a duty to any human being.


I have not asked from what they were saved. Neither have I asked why you need to be saved.

All I am asking is whether you believe Allah saves and if you are saved.

But from your rhetorical questions you seem to imply whereas it is true that Allah saved others (from whatever), you do not believe that Allah can save you.

Unless you have anything to add, I will end my questions to you and accept your answer.

I turn to Alphdoti for he has not given any indication if he believes Allah or not.


Save from what????????????????????????????????

@Muriel I think you need a therapist. Its coming to two years your obsession with this "saving business"

Please dont let it consume you.



ad hominem, the fallacy. You are good at it. It is the only thing you can now add.

You now attack my person having seen the futility and utter fickleness of your assertions.

You had your chance, Guru.

I am yet to find a muslim who can answer this question. Even one. My search continues. Therapy, you call it, '2 years' down the line ,,,
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Lolest!
#467 Posted : Friday, June 19, 2015 3:49:06 PM
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And I repeat, the Almighty will do with me whatever He wills, whenever He wills and however He wills...

smile he can decide to save man by becoming man and dying on a cross?
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Muriel
#468 Posted : Friday, June 19, 2015 4:02:38 PM
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Lolest! wrote:
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And I repeat, the Almighty will do with me whatever He wills, whenever He wills and however He wills...

smile he can decide to save man by becoming man and dying on a cross?



1. Allah is a complicated fellow. Schizophrenic even.
2. Or perhaps Mohammed did not interlink and cross check his thoughts to ensure harmony with the other sections - he was illiterate after all.
3. Or perhaps the writers wrote their own things that are now annoying their followers when called out.
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guru267
#469 Posted : Friday, June 19, 2015 8:47:30 PM
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¿ wrote:
guru267 wrote:
Muriel wrote:
guru267 wrote:


I do not believe that my sins are already pre forgiven if that what being saved means...

No single Muslim can believe such nonsense.

I believe that if the Almighty wills Christ will return to take away sin from the world and I believe that if my repentance is sincere then the Almighty is all merciful



Guru, sister, alas you answer a question no one asked! Does saved mean pre forgiven? I had no idea! But your answer offers no resolution to my question.

Does it then mean that Allah pre-forgave the Israelites when he was saving them from Pharaoh's people? Or did he pre-forgive the boy whom Abraham was to sacrifice? Or did he pre-forgive Jesus? Why then can you not believe the simple truth of what Allah did? Mohammed says Allah saved them ,,,

What exactly did Allah do? Does Allah save?

Can any muslim tell me if Allah saves and if they believe they are saved?


The Israelites were saved from enslavement. Christ was saved from death. Why do I need to be saved?

And if I need to be saved, is it the Almighty's will that i be saved?

The Almighty does not have a duty to any human being.


Yahweh saved the Israelites from enslavement. Allah saved his Christ from death.

Yahweh is a different God from Allah and his messiah.

Can Allah save himself from Yahweh?


Allah=Yahweh=Jehovah
Mark 12:29
Deuteronomy 4:16
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guru267
#470 Posted : Friday, June 19, 2015 8:51:00 PM
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Lolest! wrote:
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And I repeat, the Almighty will do with me whatever He wills, whenever He wills and however He wills...

smile he can decide to save man by becoming man and dying on a cross?


Why does the Almighty need to go through all that?

If he saved man by dying on the cross then why does the best of Christians still sin and can still go to hell?

Or are you one of those who think they are already preforgiven with the blood of "Christ" aka Judas
Mark 12:29
Deuteronomy 4:16
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