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Dawkins' delusion
tycho
#1 Posted : Tuesday, June 09, 2015 11:03:23 AM
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The other day I visited a friend and found 'The God delusion' in one of his shelves. I sat down and read it and at the end of the day, I wondered why some people rated the book so highly.

Now am seeing this comment from one of Dawkins' friends:

“His treatment of philosophical ideas in The God Delusion is frequently funny and certainly good journalism,” Ruse said, “but to put it politely it is deeply uninformed.”

This article has given me a glimpse of Dawkins' life, and I wonder if this issue of atheism/theism isn't just a game people play to structure their time meaningfully while chest thumping.

http://www.theguardian.c...stroying-his-reputation
Swenani
#2 Posted : Tuesday, June 09, 2015 11:38:09 AM
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tycho wrote:
The other day I visited a friend and found 'The God delusion' in one of his shelves. I sat down and read it and at the end of the day, I wondered why some people rated the book so highly.

Now am seeing this comment from one of Dawkins' friends:

“His treatment of philosophical ideas in The God Delusion is frequently funny and certainly good journalism,” Ruse said, “but to put it politely it is deeply uninformed.”

This article has given me a glimpse of Dawkins' life, and I wonder if this issue of atheism/theism isn't just a game people play to structure their time meaningfully while chest thumping.

http://www.theguardian.c...stroying-his-reputation



tycho wrote:
I use wazua to allay my fears. And in my estimation my fears are a result of expectation and experience being at odds. It becomes easy for me to use this forum to deny, question, even ridicule another's experience and expectation just to affirm my secret wishes.

Wazua is used as a conning implement when it's a propaganda 'machine'.

If Obiero did it, Who Am I?
tycho
#3 Posted : Tuesday, June 09, 2015 11:57:30 AM
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Swenani wrote:
tycho wrote:
The other day I visited a friend and found 'The God delusion' in one of his shelves. I sat down and read it and at the end of the day, I wondered why some people rated the book so highly.

Now am seeing this comment from one of Dawkins' friends:

“His treatment of philosophical ideas in The God Delusion is frequently funny and certainly good journalism,” Ruse said, “but to put it politely it is deeply uninformed.”

This article has given me a glimpse of Dawkins' life, and I wonder if this issue of atheism/theism isn't just a game people play to structure their time meaningfully while chest thumping.

http://www.theguardian.c...stroying-his-reputation



tycho wrote:
I use wazua to allay my fears. And in my estimation my fears are a result of expectation and experience being at odds. It becomes easy for me to use this forum to deny, question, even ridicule another's experience and expectation just to affirm my secret wishes.

Wazua is used as a conning implement when it's a propaganda 'machine'.



I like your thinking on this. I had similar thoughts while starting the thread.

But there's a puzzle I'm trying to resolve: Let me call it the puzzle of optimal relation. That is, if one can stop conning him/herself, how can she/he relate with others who are probably conning themselves?

Or to put it in another way, what's there to say?
Swenani
#4 Posted : Tuesday, June 09, 2015 12:23:43 PM
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tycho wrote:
Swenani wrote:
tycho wrote:
The other day I visited a friend and found 'The God delusion' in one of his shelves. I sat down and read it and at the end of the day, I wondered why some people rated the book so highly.

Now am seeing this comment from one of Dawkins' friends:

“His treatment of philosophical ideas in The God Delusion is frequently funny and certainly good journalism,” Ruse said, “but to put it politely it is deeply uninformed.”

This article has given me a glimpse of Dawkins' life, and I wonder if this issue of atheism/theism isn't just a game people play to structure their time meaningfully while chest thumping.

http://www.theguardian.c...stroying-his-reputation



tycho wrote:
I use wazua to allay my fears. And in my estimation my fears are a result of expectation and experience being at odds. It becomes easy for me to use this forum to deny, question, even ridicule another's experience and expectation just to affirm my secret wishes.

Wazua is used as a conning implement when it's a propaganda 'machine'.



I like your thinking on this. I had similar thoughts while starting the thread.

But there's a puzzle I'm trying to resolve: Let me call it the puzzle of optimal relation. That is, if one can stop conning him/herself, how can she/he relate with others who are probably conning themselves?

Or to put it in another way, what's there to say?


That is an impossible relation, If you have to stop conning yourself then you can't relate with those conning themselves, if you do, then you are conning yourself
If Obiero did it, Who Am I?
majimaji
#5 Posted : Tuesday, June 09, 2015 1:23:35 PM
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tychos delusion
Muriel
#6 Posted : Tuesday, June 09, 2015 2:22:38 PM
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The Dawkinses of this world are woe #2.

I have always wondered at the over supply of anti-christian atheism as compared to anti-islam atheism.

I have come to the realisation that atheism and islam are two sides of the same coin.
Swenani
#7 Posted : Tuesday, June 09, 2015 2:39:57 PM
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Muriel wrote:
The Dawkinses of this world are woe #2.

I have always wondered at the over supply of anti-christian atheism as compared to anti-islam atheism.

I have come to the realisation that atheism and islam are two sides of the same coin.


What is atheism?
If Obiero did it, Who Am I?
Muriel
#8 Posted : Tuesday, June 09, 2015 2:46:50 PM
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Swenani wrote:
Muriel wrote:
The Dawkinses of this world are woe #2.

I have always wondered at the over supply of anti-christian atheism as compared to anti-islam atheism.

I have come to the realisation that atheism and islam are two sides of the same coin.


What is atheism?


It is not a thing.

I opine it's a concept that makes it is business to destroy faith in, trust in and fondness of another concept.
Muriel
#9 Posted : Friday, June 12, 2015 9:31:50 AM
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Swenani, brother, since Tuesday I have been waiting for your follow up question in vain.

I had anticipated you would ask me what the other concept is.

I would have answered not necessarily 'christianity' as is commonly taken by the man on the street, but 'the great controversy in which there is no hope for redemption for and by oneself'.
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#10 Posted : Friday, June 12, 2015 12:54:50 PM
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Muriel wrote:

Swenani, brother, since Tuesday I have been waiting for your follow up question in vain.

I had anticipated you would ask me what the other concept is.

I would have answered not necessarily 'christianity' as is commonly taken by the man on the street, but 'the great controversy in which there is no hope for redemption for and by oneself'.


Does the self condemn or accept condemnation?
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