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hobbit
#1 Posted : Thursday, May 28, 2015 1:29:35 PM
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Wazuans,

Help me out. Do we have investors who one can jointly develop a commercial plot and then pay off using the rental income with the plot owner having a retainer of like 20% until you pay off your property.

I am writing in line with the recent Interest rates which are just too high to develop using borrowed funds.

Does these chinese guys have any these arrangements since am sure international fund could be cheaper??? Just curious.
Gordon Gekko
#2 Posted : Thursday, May 28, 2015 4:55:00 PM
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hobbit wrote:
Wazuans,

Help me out. Do we have investors who one can jointly develop a commercial plot and then pay off using the rental income with the plot owner having a retainer of like 20% until you pay off your property.

I am writing in line with the recent Interest rates which are just too high to develop using borrowed funds.

Does these chinese guys have any these arrangements since am sure international fund could be cheaper??? Just curious.

Too general to get a coherent response. For starters:
What is the projected development cost?
What is the projected income?
When does the projected income come on stream?
What is your previous experience in such developments?
Chaka
#3 Posted : Thursday, May 28, 2015 8:43:23 PM
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I have nil experience in property but what I am wondering is this:
Are you certain you will get tenants after the commercial property is completed?
Tara
#4 Posted : Thursday, May 28, 2015 9:32:35 PM
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I have often heard that this is possible but no one seems to have names/contacts of investors etc. If anyone can point us in the right direction we all would be grateful. I have no experience with this level of property development.
Sevian
#5 Posted : Friday, May 29, 2015 5:48:27 AM
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When you have very 'viable' ka-plot (reasonable size, great prospects in that location! Location! Location!) money will come looking to develop the project. Comes in form of joint venture with your. Contribution being the value of land and your share being its component in the overall cost.
But most banks don't fund projects with projected cashflows. You must demonstrate current cashflows, na siyo pesa kidogo wanauliza.
Plot iko wapi
kyt
#6 Posted : Friday, May 29, 2015 1:15:01 PM
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go to equity a guy, you will get a joint ownership arrangements, it's something i have seen being done
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hobbit
#7 Posted : Friday, May 29, 2015 1:25:13 PM
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Gordon Gekko wrote:
hobbit wrote:
Wazuans,

Help me out. Do we have investors who one can jointly develop a commercial plot and then pay off using the rental income with the plot owner having a retainer of like 20% until you pay off your property.

I am writing in line with the recent Interest rates which are just too high to develop using borrowed funds.

Does these chinese guys have any these arrangements since am sure international fund could be cheaper??? Just curious.

Too general to get a coherent response. For starters:
What is the projected development cost? 20million
What is the projected income? 235k
When does the projected income come on stream? after construction is done and rental hse are occupied. occupation is guaranteed
What is your previous experience in such developments? None on joint venture

streetwise
#8 Posted : Friday, May 29, 2015 1:36:29 PM
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Equity, what are trhe rates for such an arrangemnt and what how long will it take to complete repayment
Chaka
#9 Posted : Friday, May 29, 2015 3:58:44 PM
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hobbit wrote:


When does the projected income come on stream? after construction is done and rental hse are occupied. occupation is guaranteed
What is your previous experience in such developments? None on joint venture

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Thought you said it was a commercial development?
20M to me looks doable via some partners..form a Co.and have say 5 guys each contribute 4M,you contribute the land(you will all be directors of the Co.),then agree on how to share the rent or the houses after project is complete?
sparkly
#10 Posted : Saturday, May 30, 2015 8:35:18 AM
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Chaka wrote:
hobbit wrote:


When does the projected income come on stream? after construction is done and rental hse are occupied. occupation is guaranteed
What is your previous experience in such developments? None on joint venture



Thought you said it was a commercial development?
20M to me looks doable via some partners..form a Co.and have say 5 guys each contribute 4M,you contribute the land(you will all be directors of the Co.),then agree on how to share the rent or the houses after project is complete?[/quote]

The landowner might prefer an outright transfer of his share then he can sell immediately or keep for rental income.
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Gordon Gekko
#11 Posted : Sunday, May 31, 2015 7:14:13 AM
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My minimum opportunity cost is the CBK risk free rate - which the Chase Bank bond has just upped to 13%.
Repayment will have a long payback period with inconsistent repayment. Plan also suggests that I'll be responsible for rent collection. I'll add another 15%. If I can get 28% l can consider. And with the shilling misbehaving, this rate must be variable.
Boris Boyka
#12 Posted : Sunday, May 31, 2015 7:51:46 AM
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Gordon Gekko wrote:
My minimum opportunity cost is the CBK risk free rate - which the Chase Bank bond has just upped to 13%.
Repayment will have a long payback period with inconsistent repayment. Plan also suggests that I'll be responsible for rent collection. I'll add another 15%. If I can get 28% l can consider. And with the shilling misbehaving, this rate must be variable.

d'oh! comprehending this seems like trying understand Russian!
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Gordon Gekko
#13 Posted : Thursday, June 04, 2015 2:03:45 PM
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Boris Boyka wrote:
Gordon Gekko wrote:
My minimum opportunity cost is the CBK risk free rate - which the Chase Bank bond has just upped to 13%.
Repayment will have a long payback period with inconsistent repayment. Plan also suggests that I'll be responsible for rent collection. I'll add another 15%. If I can get 28% l can consider. And with the shilling misbehaving, this rate must be variable.

d'oh! comprehending this seems like trying understand Russian!


Corporate Accounting 101.
When making a decision to invest, one must weigh against different opportunities. Different opportunities have different risks, one must expect a higher return on a riskier project.

So what is the minimum risk one can accept? It is generally accepted that Government bonds are the least risky instruments in the world since gava will never default. Therefore, the lowest return one should expect is the gava bond return. If the gava bond is say 10%, why should you lend someone at less than that? It is also called the risk free rate (alpha rate)

Any return above alpha is dependent on how you perceive the borrower’s. Barclays will lend EABL at 12%, while it will lend you at 23% because you are a riskier prospect to them. The number loaded on top of the alpha (2% for EABL and 13% for you in our example is called the beta rate).

Commercial Bank bonds are also considered low risk, Chase Bank is currently offering a bond at 13%, as it is slightly more risky than gava. I have considered the Chase Bank Bond rate be my alpha. (I don’t expect Chase to do a Euro /Trade /Delphis Bank soon).

@hobbit’s beta (in my eyes) is made up of:
- He isn’t a property mogul that’s adds to his risk
- I will make money only on rent (which isn’t 100% guaranteed) that adds to his risk
- I will be collecting the rent myself. That requires a premium for the services

I’m also insisting on variable (not fixed) interest because I don’t know how long it will take to repay the loan, and what other factors that are currently unknown will come into play (for instance, Gavana Mtarajiwa wa benki kuu might turn out to be an arch conservative who will squeeze the life out of the financial markets)

So you see, it isn’t quite Russian smile
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