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Garden City Thika Road
streetwise
#41 Posted : Thursday, May 28, 2015 7:56:02 AM
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And now Muthaiga square next to mathare hospital WOW..real estate will one day go burst !!!!

Is there engough reseacrh supporting all thse mushrooming malls ?
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#42 Posted : Thursday, May 28, 2015 7:57:46 AM
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wa P wrote:
Lolest! wrote:
kiash wrote:
What is the future of these mall like ? Wazuan Experts mko wapy? i saw in some cities in the US where actually malls came from there are several that have become ghost malls.Customers stopped coming and so the traders had to close shop.Am just wondering how long this craze will last in Kenya and especially in Nai.Before the construction of garden mall, there used to be that kamall with Naivas next to where Nakumatt used to be. Then came TRM @roysambu. Now garden mall.There will be Naivas, Nakumatt and Massmart who will start the fight for customers.I hope this will be good for the customers but i do not know how long Naivas will last.Ask Uchumi jipange hapo kando .

Middo kless Kenians want to be seen to shop in malls hata kama ni shopping ya maziwa na mkate

We will pour on the malls, however many they are like mist-to utilise an african proverb


My take:
Junction is on high noon due to impossible access; its next stab on glory is when (if) Ngong road will be expanded.

Galleria: will thrive due to diaspora and Langata people. they are also diversifying into variety center (shops, sports...) and boy they have land!.

Garden City....accessibility may be an issue. Unless they attract customers from far flung areas, the immediate demography does not inspire much confidence.

Two Rivers and The Hub (Karen) will be the malls to beat.

....and to real estate investors - build something in Thika yawa (next to superhighway.)


Next to Two Rivers is Rosslyn Riviera....will be interesting to see how Riviera will thrive next to Two Rivers unless they target a specific niche of clientele...
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#43 Posted : Thursday, May 28, 2015 8:26:58 AM
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Surely with this boom of construction soon a particular niche will be oversupplied. like a certain price range of residential houses. Malls will do well but only the best of the best will thrive
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chevapravatdumrong
#44 Posted : Thursday, May 28, 2015 9:21:10 AM
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Taj mall (Embakasi) has been on 50% occupancy ever since it opened, almost 5 years now. Does the owner get any returns on this investment?
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#45 Posted : Thursday, May 28, 2015 9:43:17 AM
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Has anyone been to the expansive watermark business park near Karen hospital. It opened mid last year and one year down the road what i see when i go there is about 30-40% occupancy

I think some of the investors are suffering

i cannot imagine what it would be like to be paying loans when you have 30% of the expected tenants . Not to mention that you may be forced to charge lower than intially budgeted to get better occupancy
subaru
#46 Posted : Thursday, May 28, 2015 9:53:08 AM
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chevapravatdumrong wrote:
Taj mall (Embakasi) has been on 50% occupancy ever since it opened, almost 5 years now. Does the owner get any returns on this investment?


sometime back we went to enquire about leasing a business room the goodwill was not good considering it was a start up so we bolted may be they were lowered
MaichBlack
#47 Posted : Thursday, May 28, 2015 10:17:06 AM
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What will happen with time is that most of these malls will become markets/shopping centers/stalls like etc. The rents will be drastically reduced, the shop spaces will be occupied by kawaida businesses - Njung'e African Dishes, Makerenge wines and Spirits, Swenani Fish Inc., Wamunyota General Merchants (Transport, Plumbing, Photocopy, Cyber Cafe, Plots for Sale, Houses to Let, House girls to and from Dubai, Chai loko, Auctioneer, etc.). And life will go on. For tenants and customers!! For landlords/mall owners especially the ones buying the land at inflated prices, watalilia kwa choo!!! Some Malls of course will survive and will continue housing luxury stores and charging premium rent.

On a lighter note, the name "Mall" should be controlled! Every Tom, Dick and Mary (1/3 gender requirement) are calling whatever kind of building they come up with a mall. If there are shops, it is a mall!! I saw one next to the Weighbridge on your way to Thika calling itself Adva Mall or something like that! I was like "Seriously???".
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MaichBlack
#48 Posted : Thursday, May 28, 2015 10:29:53 AM
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dunkang wrote:
TRM has way much better occupancy rate than Mountain Mall. Problem with TRM is excessive overcrowding with thousands of raia flocking in during the weekends and holidays. At times I even feel unsafe.

Garden City may try to keep us, RAIA we Githurai, away by charging exhobitantly especially that there are residences within the mall compound.

And BTW, why the heck is that Mobil Plaza thing at Muthaiga almost unknown and the way ni ya kitambo hapo.

Will not help one bit!! Most people who frequent malls are not there to buy anything - other than stuff from the supermarket and maybe a quick bite.

Next time you go to any mall try to observe. You can start with TRM next time you are there. The shops in the first and second floors selling clothes, perfumes, shoes, jewelry etc. hardly have any customers inside yet the corridors are full. A fellow from Githurai will not suddenly buy a pair of Clarks at 12,000/= yet he knows where he can buy a pair in Githurai at 1,200/= and the seller even throws in a pair of open shoes as a discount!

Watu wataenda Garden City kungethia tu kama kawaida even if a pair of socks is going for 2,000/=. Woe unto them (Garden City) if the 3 acre garden they've been talking about is freely/directly accessible by raia. Picknick destination mara hiyo hiyo. Na kulala chini ya kivuli!
Never count on making a good sale. Have the purchase price be so attractive that even a mediocre sale gives good returns.
MaichBlack
#49 Posted : Thursday, May 28, 2015 10:38:25 AM
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By the way @dunkang for most mixed developments, the residential section is not part of the other sections per se. It is fenced off and access is through a manned gate. You don't go to the mall and all over sudden you have access to all sections including the residences! That would be a security nightmare.

I don't know how Garden Estate have done their design/plan but it would be stupid to have no controlled access to the residential area!
Never count on making a good sale. Have the purchase price be so attractive that even a mediocre sale gives good returns.
streetwise
#50 Posted : Thursday, May 28, 2015 10:38:53 AM
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I think they should charge an entrance fee for any one who goes without purchaing goods worth ksh 1000.00.

This will sort the issue and they can pay me a commission for this advise
MaichBlack
#51 Posted : Thursday, May 28, 2015 10:53:09 AM
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streetwise wrote:
I think they should charge an entrance fee for any one who goes without purchaing goods worth ksh 1000.00.

This will sort the issue and they can pay me a commission for this advise

In theory, it is very simple to sort out the issue. You can buy a coupon at the entrance, say worth 300/= (or whatever amount) for you to gain entrance. This coupon would then be redeemable at all stalls. When you buy stuff, you pay using the coupon and add the difference in cash. The coupon should expire the same day. But that is in theory!!!

1) They are not the only mall. competition is very high.

2) The target customers might also not like the "inconvenience".

3) Once in a while even the "high worth" customers might just be passing buy to pick something small like painkillers and they would feel they are being robbed or forced to buy other things.

4) Some tenants - especially supermarkets - might complain because they will feel you are locking out potential customers.

5) There is no precedence! Even the fancy malls in the US and Dubai don't charge an entrance fee.
Never count on making a good sale. Have the purchase price be so attractive that even a mediocre sale gives good returns.
Wakanyugi
#52 Posted : Thursday, May 28, 2015 11:03:35 AM
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MaichBlack wrote:
dunkang wrote:
TRM has way much better occupancy rate than Mountain Mall. Problem with TRM is excessive overcrowding with thousands of raia flocking in during the weekends and holidays. At times I even feel unsafe.

Garden City may try to keep us, RAIA we Githurai, away by charging exhobitantly especially that there are residences within the mall compound.

And BTW, why the heck is that Mobil Plaza thing at Muthaiga almost unknown and the way ni ya kitambo hapo.

Will not help one bit!! Most people who frequent malls are not there to buy anything - other than stuff from the supermarket and maybe a quick bite.

Next time you go to any mall try to observe. You can start with TRM next time you are there. The shops in the first and second floors selling clothes, perfumes, shoes, jewelry etc. hardly have any customers inside yet the corridors are full. A fellow from Githurai will not suddenly buy a pair of Clarks at 12,000/= yet he knows where he can buy a pair in Githurai at 1,200/= and the seller even throws in a pair of open shoes as a discount!

Watu wataenda Garden City kungethia tu kama kawaida even if a pair of socks is going for 2,000/=. Woe unto them (Garden City) if the 3 acre garden they've been talking about is freely/directly accessible by raia. Picknick destination mara hiyo hiyo. Na kulala chini ya kivuli!


Good point. Even in Western countries Malls are not just places for shopping anymore. They have become a modern cultural 'green commons' - a hangout for the youth, who buy very little.
"The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement. But the opposite of a profound truth may well be another profound truth." (Niels Bohr)
kayhara
#53 Posted : Thursday, May 28, 2015 11:39:15 AM
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Wakanyugi wrote:
MaichBlack wrote:
dunkang wrote:
TRM has way much better occupancy rate than Mountain Mall. Problem with TRM is excessive overcrowding with thousands of raia flocking in during the weekends and holidays. At times I even feel unsafe.

Garden City may try to keep us, RAIA we Githurai, away by charging exhobitantly especially that there are residences within the mall compound.

And BTW, why the heck is that Mobil Plaza thing at Muthaiga almost unknown and the way ni ya kitambo hapo.

Will not help one bit!! Most people who frequent malls are not there to buy anything - other than stuff from the supermarket and maybe a quick bite.

Next time you go to any mall try to observe. You can start with TRM next time you are there. The shops in the first and second floors selling clothes, perfumes, shoes, jewelry etc. hardly have any customers inside yet the corridors are full. A fellow from Githurai will not suddenly buy a pair of Clarks at 12,000/= yet he knows where he can buy a pair in Githurai at 1,200/= and the seller even throws in a pair of open shoes as a discount!

Watu wataenda Garden City kungethia tu kama kawaida even if a pair of socks is going for 2,000/=. Woe unto them (Garden City) if the 3 acre garden they've been talking about is freely/directly accessible by raia. Picknick destination mara hiyo hiyo. Na kulala chini ya kivuli!


Good point. Even in Western countries Malls are not just places for shopping anymore. They have become a modern cultural 'green commons' - a hangout for the youth, who buy very little.

Mobil plaza now Oillibya plaza is probably the best place to go if you are not the showy kind, it is only recently that some guys saw it after the tress were cut for thika road, Mature crowd mostly wenye inchi wa Muthaiga
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MaichBlack
#54 Posted : Thursday, May 28, 2015 12:00:15 PM
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Maisha ni watu. It's people who make life interesting. Watu wachanganyikane. Wacheni kuleta modified apartheid hapa!!!

Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly

Ama mtu aende Dubai Mall, Mall of Emirates ama Burj Khalifa kama hataki kukutana na watu wa Githurai!
Never count on making a good sale. Have the purchase price be so attractive that even a mediocre sale gives good returns.
subaru
#55 Posted : Thursday, May 28, 2015 1:16:24 PM
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MaichBlack wrote:
Maisha ni watu. It's people who make life interesting. Watu wachanganyikane. Wacheni kuleta modified apartheid hapa!!!

Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly

Ama mtu aende Dubai Mall, Mall of Emirates ama Burj Khalifa kama hataki kukutana na watu wa Githurai!


well said
streetwise
#56 Posted : Thursday, May 28, 2015 1:29:49 PM
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The customer can be from any where so long he buys.

Not window shopping only.
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#57 Posted : Thursday, May 28, 2015 2:23:28 PM
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kayhara wrote:
Wakanyugi wrote:
MaichBlack wrote:
dunkang wrote:
TRM has way much better occupancy rate than Mountain Mall. Problem with TRM is excessive overcrowding with thousands of raia flocking in during the weekends and holidays. At times I even feel unsafe.

Garden City may try to keep us, RAIA we Githurai, away by charging exhobitantly especially that there are residences within the mall compound.

And BTW, why the heck is that Mobil Plaza thing at Muthaiga almost unknown and the way ni ya kitambo hapo.

Will not help one bit!! Most people who frequent malls are not there to buy anything - other than stuff from the supermarket and maybe a quick bite.

Next time you go to any mall try to observe. You can start with TRM next time you are there. The shops in the first and second floors selling clothes, perfumes, shoes, jewelry etc. hardly have any customers inside yet the corridors are full. A fellow from Githurai will not suddenly buy a pair of Clarks at 12,000/= yet he knows where he can buy a pair in Githurai at 1,200/= and the seller even throws in a pair of open shoes as a discount!

Watu wataenda Garden City kungethia tu kama kawaida even if a pair of socks is going for 2,000/=. Woe unto them (Garden City) if the 3 acre garden they've been talking about is freely/directly accessible by raia. Picknick destination mara hiyo hiyo. Na kulala chini ya kivuli!


Good point. Even in Western countries Malls are not just places for shopping anymore. They have become a modern cultural 'green commons' - a hangout for the youth, who buy very little.

Mobil plaza now Oillibya plaza is probably the best place to go if you are not the showy kind, it is only recently that some guys saw it after the tress were cut for thika road, Mature crowd mostly wenye inchi wa Muthaiga


its only at mobil plaza that you find a tusker can 500ml at Ksh 120.

@food plus/chandarana

mainly rich muthaiga housewives shop there.
kiash
#58 Posted : Thursday, May 28, 2015 2:44:52 PM
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faa wrote:
kayhara wrote:
Wakanyugi wrote:
MaichBlack wrote:
dunkang wrote:
TRM has way much better occupancy rate than Mountain Mall. Problem with TRM is excessive overcrowding with thousands of raia flocking in during the weekends and holidays. At times I even feel unsafe.

Garden City may try to keep us, RAIA we Githurai, away by charging exhobitantly especially that there are residences within the mall compound.

And BTW, why the heck is that Mobil Plaza thing at Muthaiga almost unknown and the way ni ya kitambo hapo.

Will not help one bit!! Most people who frequent malls are not there to buy anything - other than stuff from the supermarket and maybe a quick bite.

Next time you go to any mall try to observe. You can start with TRM next time you are there. The shops in the first and second floors selling clothes, perfumes, shoes, jewelry etc. hardly have any customers inside yet the corridors are full. A fellow from Githurai will not suddenly buy a pair of Clarks at 12,000/= yet he knows where he can buy a pair in Githurai at 1,200/= and the seller even throws in a pair of open shoes as a discount!

Watu wataenda Garden City kungethia tu kama kawaida even if a pair of socks is going for 2,000/=. Woe unto them (Garden City) if the 3 acre garden they've been talking about is freely/directly accessible by raia. Picknick destination mara hiyo hiyo. Na kulala chini ya kivuli!


Good point. Even in Western countries Malls are not just places for shopping anymore. They have become a modern cultural 'green commons' - a hangout for the youth, who buy very little.

Mobil plaza now Oillibya plaza is probably the best place to go if you are not the showy kind, it is only recently that some guys saw it after the tress were cut for thika road, Mature crowd mostly wenye inchi wa Muthaiga


its only at mobil plaza that you find a tusker can 500ml at Ksh 120.

@food plus/chandarana

mainly rich muthaiga housewives shop there.


Go @Swenani time you started shopping
kiash
#59 Posted : Thursday, May 28, 2015 2:50:47 PM
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MaichBlack wrote:
dunkang wrote:
TRM has way much better occupancy rate than Mountain Mall. Problem with TRM is excessive overcrowding with thousands of raia flocking in during the weekends and holidays. At times I even feel unsafe.

Garden City may try to keep us, RAIA we Githurai, away by charging exhobitantly especially that there are residences within the mall compound.

And BTW, why the heck is that Mobil Plaza thing at Muthaiga almost unknown and the way ni ya kitambo hapo.

Will not help one bit!! Most people who frequent malls are not there to buy anything - other than stuff from the supermarket and maybe a quick bite.

Next time you go to any mall try to observe. You can start with TRM next time you are there. The shops in the first and second floors selling clothes, perfumes, shoes, jewelry etc. hardly have any customers inside yet the corridors are full. A fellow from Githurai will not suddenly buy a pair of Clarks at 12,000/= yet he knows where he can buy a pair in Githurai at 1,200/= and the seller even throws in a pair of open shoes as a discount!

Watu wataenda Garden City kungethia tu kama kawaida even if a pair of socks is going for 2,000/=. Woe unto them (Garden City) if the 3 acre garden they've been talking about is freely/directly accessible by raia. Picknick destination mara hiyo hiyo. Na kulala chini ya kivuli!


And where are the shoppers supposed to come from? At least hiyo nasikia foxrivers iko next to rich neighborhood.These guys would have built a large discount store/supermarket with prices less than any other supermarket and they would have done an Equity in this sector. People from as far as Ruiru would have done their shopping there.Now they only have guys from Thome and garden but judging by their old pickups which pick barley waste from EABL, they might not be people who will spend in that mall.
streetwise
#60 Posted : Thursday, May 28, 2015 3:22:06 PM
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The rich choose very wisely how to spend thier money.

The middle class spend all thier money and even borrow to spend. these are the guys to focus on
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