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Things I used to think were true
Muriel
#101 Posted : Wednesday, May 20, 2015 11:04:57 AM
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Wakanyugi wrote:
Muriel wrote:
[quote=Wakanyugi][quote=Muriel]





"I am sincerely sorry for the mistreatment we meted on you."

Apology accepted smile

"Please accept my heartfelt apologies on behalf of my brother too."

I am not sure whether to accept Tycho's apology. I am not in a charitable mood today. However, let me think about it.


You may have given too much weight to my wedge that there are no constants inside the universe at the expense of my other subtle point that there is a constant outside the universe.

The definition of the Universe in and of itself is 'that which contains all.' It does not have an inside or an outside. Thus there can not be a constant outside the Universe. There is no outside.


"How radical is your theory? Is it more 'radical' than mine?"

Not radical to me but many people find it hard to accept. Its main premise is this: "The Universe does really not exist." QED.



If you like we could take on Tycho today. It might divert focus from your charity issues.

Is all 'all'. I mean, light is fastest in vacuum which is least dense medium in the universe. So if light speed is a constant, where? So I think all is not 'all' hence universe is not 'all'.


Wakanyugi
#102 Posted : Wednesday, May 20, 2015 6:14:36 PM
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tycho wrote:
I'm not aware of the need to apologize. But I'd appreciate it if the need is brought to my attention.



Tycho I am not ware of what you have done, at least recently, to offend me. But, knowing you, I am sure you'll think of something.

So I am happy to bank your apology in advance.

Apology accepted.

You are welcome smile smile smile
"The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement. But the opposite of a profound truth may well be another profound truth." (Niels Bohr)
Wakanyugi
#103 Posted : Wednesday, May 20, 2015 6:22:44 PM
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Muriel wrote:
Wakanyugi wrote:
Muriel wrote:
[quote=Wakanyugi][quote=Muriel]





"I am sincerely sorry for the mistreatment we meted on you."

Apology accepted smile

"Please accept my heartfelt apologies on behalf of my brother too."

I am not sure whether to accept Tycho's apology. I am not in a charitable mood today. However, let me think about it.


You may have given too much weight to my wedge that there are no constants inside the universe at the expense of my other subtle point that there is a constant outside the universe.

The definition of the Universe in and of itself is 'that which contains all.' It does not have an inside or an outside. Thus there can not be a constant outside the Universe. There is no outside.


"How radical is your theory? Is it more 'radical' than mine?"

Not radical to me but many people find it hard to accept. Its main premise is this: "The Universe does really not exist." QED.



If you like we could take on Tycho today. It might divert focus from your charity issues.

Is all 'all'. I mean, light is fastest in vacuum which is least dense medium in the universe. So if light speed is a constant, where? So I think all is not 'all' hence universe is not 'all'.



Brother Tycho has been duly taken on.

By 'all' I meant the accepted idea that the Universe (Uni = 1) contains everything otherwise it would not be a Universe. I am aware of the Multiverse theory too but even that does not admit of anything existing outside this cosmos.

I think the constant 'c' is supposed to be the fastest speed light can attain, which in a vacuum.
"The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement. But the opposite of a profound truth may well be another profound truth." (Niels Bohr)
tycho
#104 Posted : Wednesday, May 20, 2015 11:31:31 PM
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Wakanyugi wrote:
tycho wrote:
I'm not aware of the need to apologize. But I'd appreciate it if the need is brought to my attention.



Tycho I am not ware of what you have done, at least recently, to offend me. But, knowing you, I am sure you'll think of something.

So I am happy to bank your apology in advance.

Apology accepted.

You are welcome smile smile smile


Thank you. Especially when you and me are such persistent illusions, and things have a penchant for going wrong.
Wakanyugi
#105 Posted : Thursday, May 21, 2015 2:20:19 AM
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tycho wrote:
Wakanyugi wrote:
tycho wrote:
I'm not aware of the need to apologize. But I'd appreciate it if the need is brought to my attention.



Tycho I am not ware of what you have done, at least recently, to offend me. But, knowing you, I am sure you'll think of something.

So I am happy to bank your apology in advance.

Apology accepted.

You are welcome smile smile smile


Thank you. Especially when you and me are such persistent illusions, and things have a penchant for going wrong.


Laughing out loudly
"The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement. But the opposite of a profound truth may well be another profound truth." (Niels Bohr)
Muriel
#106 Posted : Thursday, May 21, 2015 9:26:07 AM
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Hhhmmmm,,,,,

Wakanyugi
#107 Posted : Thursday, May 21, 2015 2:42:16 PM
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Muriel wrote:
Hhhmmmm,,,,,




Hmmm.....what?

BTW we seem to have hijacked this thread, again. How rude!
"The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement. But the opposite of a profound truth may well be another profound truth." (Niels Bohr)
aemathenge
#108 Posted : Thursday, May 21, 2015 2:50:29 PM
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Wakanyugi wrote:
BTW we seem to have hijacked this thread, again. How rude!


What took you so long?
Muriel
#109 Posted : Thursday, May 21, 2015 3:21:12 PM
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aemathenge wrote:
Wakanyugi wrote:
BTW we seem to have hijacked this thread, again. How rude!


What took you so long?


There are some threads that seem to have been created specifically for us. And we own such threads without apologies.

For example, Wakanyugi says the speed of light is a constant. I used to think that was true till I learnt that some 'things' can move faster than light.

Wakanyugi, is there a cosmic speed limit?
aemathenge
#110 Posted : Thursday, May 21, 2015 5:01:06 PM
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Muriel wrote:
aemathenge wrote:
Wakanyugi wrote:
BTW we seem to have hijacked this thread, again. How rude!


What took you so long?


There are some threads that seem to have been created specifically for us. And we own such threads without apologies.


s i g h.

Well, in that regard, knock yourselves out.
Wakanyugi
#111 Posted : Friday, May 22, 2015 3:44:37 PM
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Muriel wrote:
aemathenge wrote:
Wakanyugi wrote:
BTW we seem to have hijacked this thread, again. How rude!


What took you so long?


There are some threads that seem to have been created specifically for us. And we own such threads without apologies.

For example, Wakanyugi says the speed of light is a constant. I used to think that was true till I learnt that some 'things' can move faster than light.

Wakanyugi, is there a cosmic speed limit?


Einstein says there is a cosmic speed limit (the speed of light).

But recent evidence is casting doubt on this. For instance the finding that the Universe is not only expanding, but the further out you go the faster the heavenly bodies are receding away from us. Clearly this means there must be bodies that are flying away at faster than the speed of light - in which case we shall never see them.

The speed of light is possibly only a constant in our local Universe. In the greater unknown, we do not really know.

Which brings me back to my pet theory ' the only constant is the observer (consciousness)'
"The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement. But the opposite of a profound truth may well be another profound truth." (Niels Bohr)
Swenani
#112 Posted : Friday, May 22, 2015 3:51:56 PM
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Muriel wrote:
aemathenge wrote:
Wakanyugi wrote:
BTW we seem to have hijacked this thread, again. How rude!


What took you so long?


There are some threads that seem to have been created specifically for us. And we own such threads without apologies.

For example, Wakanyugi says the speed of light is a constant. I used to think that was true till I learnt that some 'things' can move faster than light.

Wakanyugi, is there a cosmic speed limit?



Why are you so arrogant?
If Obiero did it, Who Am I?
tycho
#113 Posted : Friday, May 22, 2015 3:55:12 PM
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Wakanyugi wrote:
Muriel wrote:
aemathenge wrote:
Wakanyugi wrote:
BTW we seem to have hijacked this thread, again. How rude!


What took you so long?


There are some threads that seem to have been created specifically for us. And we own such threads without apologies.

For example, Wakanyugi says the speed of light is a constant. I used to think that was true till I learnt that some 'things' can move faster than light.

Wakanyugi, is there a cosmic speed limit?


Einstein says there is a cosmic speed limit (the speed of light).

But recent evidence is casting doubt on this. For instance the finding that the Universe is not only expanding, but the further out you go the faster the heavenly bodies are receding away from us. Clearly this means there must be bodies that are flying away at faster than the speed of light - in which case we shall never see them.

The speed of light is possibly only a constant in our local Universe. In the greater unknown, we do not really know.

Which brings me back to my pet theory ' the only constant is the observer (consciousness)'


Cosmic intelligence is the constant observer.
tycho
#114 Posted : Friday, May 22, 2015 3:57:59 PM
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tycho wrote:
Wakanyugi wrote:
Muriel wrote:
aemathenge wrote:
Wakanyugi wrote:
BTW we seem to have hijacked this thread, again. How rude!


What took you so long?


There are some threads that seem to have been created specifically for us. And we own such threads without apologies.

For example, Wakanyugi says the speed of light is a constant. I used to think that was true till I learnt that some 'things' can move faster than light.

Wakanyugi, is there a cosmic speed limit?


Einstein says there is a cosmic speed limit (the speed of light).

But recent evidence is casting doubt on this. For instance the finding that the Universe is not only expanding, but the further out you go the faster the heavenly bodies are receding away from us. Clearly this means there must be bodies that are flying away at faster than the speed of light - in which case we shall never see them.

The speed of light is possibly only a constant in our local Universe. In the greater unknown, we do not really know.

Which brings me back to my pet theory ' the only constant is the observer (consciousness)'


Cosmic intelligence is the constant observer.


'I' call it 'the mind'.
Wakanyugi
#115 Posted : Friday, May 22, 2015 4:48:57 PM
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tycho wrote:
tycho wrote:
Wakanyugi wrote:
Muriel wrote:
aemathenge wrote:
Wakanyugi wrote:
BTW we seem to have hijacked this thread, again. How rude!


What took you so long?


There are some threads that seem to have been created specifically for us. And we own such threads without apologies.

For example, Wakanyugi says the speed of light is a constant. I used to think that was true till I learnt that some 'things' can move faster than light.

Wakanyugi, is there a cosmic speed limit?


Einstein says there is a cosmic speed limit (the speed of light).

But recent evidence is casting doubt on this. For instance the finding that the Universe is not only expanding, but the further out you go the faster the heavenly bodies are receding away from us. Clearly this means there must be bodies that are flying away at faster than the speed of light - in which case we shall never see them.

The speed of light is possibly only a constant in our local Universe. In the greater unknown, we do not really know.

Which brings me back to my pet theory ' the only constant is the observer (consciousness)'


Cosmic intelligence is the constant observer.


'I' call it 'the mind'.


Wow!

You mean, you agree with me?
"The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement. But the opposite of a profound truth may well be another profound truth." (Niels Bohr)
Wakanyugi
#116 Posted : Friday, May 22, 2015 4:52:22 PM
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Swenani wrote:
Muriel wrote:
aemathenge wrote:
Wakanyugi wrote:
BTW we seem to have hijacked this thread, again. How rude!


What took you so long?


There are some threads that seem to have been created specifically for us. And we own such threads without apologies.

For example, Wakanyugi says the speed of light is a constant. I used to think that was true till I learnt that some 'things' can move faster than light.

Wakanyugi, is there a cosmic speed limit?



Why are you so arrogant?



Why do you hate yourself so much?

What did you do?
"The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement. But the opposite of a profound truth may well be another profound truth." (Niels Bohr)
tycho
#117 Posted : Friday, May 22, 2015 5:32:43 PM
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Wakanyugi wrote:
tycho wrote:
tycho wrote:
Wakanyugi wrote:
Muriel wrote:
aemathenge wrote:
Wakanyugi wrote:
BTW we seem to have hijacked this thread, again. How rude!


What took you so long?


There are some threads that seem to have been created specifically for us. And we own such threads without apologies.

For example, Wakanyugi says the speed of light is a constant. I used to think that was true till I learnt that some 'things' can move faster than light.

Wakanyugi, is there a cosmic speed limit?


Einstein says there is a cosmic speed limit (the speed of light).

But recent evidence is casting doubt on this. For instance the finding that the Universe is not only expanding, but the further out you go the faster the heavenly bodies are receding away from us. Clearly this means there must be bodies that are flying away at faster than the speed of light - in which case we shall never see them.

The speed of light is possibly only a constant in our local Universe. In the greater unknown, we do not really know.

Which brings me back to my pet theory ' the only constant is the observer (consciousness)'


Cosmic intelligence is the constant observer.


'I' call it 'the mind'.


Wow!

You mean, you agree with me?


A better expression would be 'we have equivalent mind prints so far'.
Wakanyugi
#118 Posted : Friday, May 22, 2015 6:29:37 PM
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tycho wrote:
Wakanyugi wrote:
tycho wrote:
tycho wrote:
Wakanyugi wrote:
Muriel wrote:
aemathenge wrote:
Wakanyugi wrote:
BTW we seem to have hijacked this thread, again. How rude!


What took you so long?


There are some threads that seem to have been created specifically for us. And we own such threads without apologies.

For example, Wakanyugi says the speed of light is a constant. I used to think that was true till I learnt that some 'things' can move faster than light.

Wakanyugi, is there a cosmic speed limit?


Einstein says there is a cosmic speed limit (the speed of light).

But recent evidence is casting doubt on this. For instance the finding that the Universe is not only expanding, but the further out you go the faster the heavenly bodies are receding away from us. Clearly this means there must be bodies that are flying away at faster than the speed of light - in which case we shall never see them.

The speed of light is possibly only a constant in our local Universe. In the greater unknown, we do not really know.

Which brings me back to my pet theory ' the only constant is the observer (consciousness)'


Cosmic intelligence is the constant observer.


'I' call it 'the mind'.


Wow!

You mean, you agree with me?


A better expression would be 'we have equivalent mind prints so far'.



I don't understand. But I'll take it.

Thank you


"The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement. But the opposite of a profound truth may well be another profound truth." (Niels Bohr)
mv_ufanisi
#119 Posted : Wednesday, May 27, 2015 4:59:56 PM
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I used to think that we humans are progressing over time but now I realize that things are more complicated than that. We are regressing in certain things and progressing in others. Examples;

- we used to have a much more effective law and justice system in our traditional societies than we currently have. Cases in the past were decided quickly by elders unlike now in Kenya where you're lost in the court system and a lot of people get away with theft and murder.
- corruption has become even worse with the introduction of money in currency. in the old days wealth was mostly in the form of cattle, goats, sheep, land etc. no one could rob the community without them noticing.
- we've become much more unhealthy in modern times. If you look at very old pictures of Kenya say 1900s, you'll notice that not even the older women with kids were obese. now people somehow assume that a middle aged man or woman will have a belly
- whole neighborhoods such as buru buru, umoja etc have degraded over time as all playing fields were stolen and uncontrolled construction turns these places into a giant slum with lots of insecurity
- we've lost the sense of community that existed in the past with the result that there's now lots of lonely people in our modern societies
- we've benefited and lost from modern medicine. the benefits are the cures for diseases we didn't have before, the losses are from the harm caused by modern medicine such as over-prescription of medicines and resultant side effects, surgeries that shouldn't have been done, medical errors by doctors etc
- apartments built in the past - say the 60s and 70s used to be much better spaced and had lots of green space. Now we are dealing with the concrete jungle.
- also you'd think that modern architecture would be an improvement on the past but you only need to visit old Europe to see that the beauty and charm of old architecture was lost somewhere.
Wakanyugi
#120 Posted : Thursday, May 28, 2015 11:13:09 AM
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mv_ufanisi wrote:
I used to think that we humans are progressing over time but now I realize that things are more complicated than that. We are regressing in certain things and progressing in others. Examples;

- we used to have a much more effective law and justice system in our traditional societies than we currently have. Cases in the past were decided quickly by elders unlike now in Kenya where you're lost in the court system and a lot of people get away with theft and murder.
- corruption has become even worse with the introduction of money in currency. in the old days wealth was mostly in the form of cattle, goats, sheep, land etc. no one could rob the community without them noticing.
- we've become much more unhealthy in modern times. If you look at very old pictures of Kenya say 1900s, you'll notice that not even the older women with kids were obese. now people somehow assume that a middle aged man or woman will have a belly
- whole neighborhoods such as buru buru, umoja etc have degraded over time as all playing fields were stolen and uncontrolled construction turns these places into a giant slum with lots of insecurity
- we've lost the sense of community that existed in the past with the result that there's now lots of lonely people in our modern societies
- we've benefited and lost from modern medicine. the benefits are the cures for diseases we didn't have before, the losses are from the harm caused by modern medicine such as over-prescription of medicines and resultant side effects, surgeries that shouldn't have been done, medical errors by doctors etc
- apartments built in the past - say the 60s and 70s used to be much better spaced and had lots of green space. Now we are dealing with the concrete jungle.
- also you'd think that modern architecture would be an improvement on the past but you only need to visit old Europe to see that the beauty and charm of old architecture was lost somewhere.


Mv-Ufanisi.

Thank you for this attempt to rescue your thread, which I fear was almost heading to the gutter, an event for which I must share some responsibility. My apologies (and my last take here).
"The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement. But the opposite of a profound truth may well be another profound truth." (Niels Bohr)
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