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Swenani
#11 Posted : Saturday, May 09, 2015 12:31:47 AM
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Wakanyugi wrote:
mv_ufanisi wrote:
Things which hoodwinked me in the past

In no short order;

1. Poverty causes insecurity and thuggery - until you visit poor countries where no one will steal from you
2. Education leads to national wealth - until you realize that there are lots of educated poor people and lots of uneducated wealthy people. This raises the question, should we be always talking about educating people as the solution to poverty alleviation in our countries?
3. The United States is great because it's a God fearing nation - the poorest states in the US such as Mississippi are also the most religious and racist. Also most people in the United States are not religious.
4. Your rank in high school will predict how you will do in life - the problem with linear thinking in a multi-variable universe
5. It's important to have an all-rounded education - we're in the age of the specialist not the generalist
6. Diversify your investments - not if you are trying to grow wealth!
7. Knowledge is more important than practice

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Interesting

Nicolas Taleb is a very smart fellow. Sometimes I don't understand half of what he writes about. His latest book 'Antifragile' talks about these paradoxes in some detail. He calls it epiphenomenon, namely the mistaken belief that something happening leads to something else, usually because everyone else believes so.

In fact he uses the example of education to debunk epiphenomenalism: 'top level Universities are successful because they offer top level education.' Not so, as even Gladwell has persuasively shown.

As for success in life, the best predictor is not your high school rank but, strangely; the length of your ring finger, as compared to your index finger.

Huh!?

Go finger.




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murchr
#12 Posted : Saturday, May 09, 2015 7:49:03 AM
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mv_ufanisi wrote:
Swenani wrote:
mv_ufanisi wrote:
Things which hoodwinked me in the past

In no short order;

1. Poverty causes insecurity and thuggery - until you visit poor countries where no one will steal from you
2. Education leads to national wealth - until you realize that there are lots of educated poor people and lots of uneducated wealthy people. This raises the question, should we be always talking about educating people as the solution to poverty alleviation in our countries?
3. The United States is great because it's a God fearing nation - the poorest states in the US such as Mississippi are also the most religious and racist. Also most people in the United States are not religious.
4. Your rank in high school will predict how you will do in life - the problem with linear thinking in a multi-variable universe
5. It's important to have an all-rounded education - we're in the age of the specialist not the generalist
6. Diversify your investments - not if you are trying to grow wealth!
7. Knowledge is more important than practice

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What is education?


In this context, education refers to what the government means when it talks about education. :)


I think you are referring to schooling, not education. Schooling is whereby you pass through the system get a grade and the in the end of it all...you dont know what to do next. @Muriel has given you a good analysis.

Religion esp that which emphasizes on personal improvement/growth can make a great significant to a society. In the Hindu belief system work is worship. Now am assuming you have some knowledge of the Hindu caste system, those in the lower castes should serve those in the higher and have no hope (the outcasts, untouchables) thats why the wealthy are filthy rich and the poor are on the extreme

Religion that tends to make its followers to believe that they are superior than the rest - the chosen ones of God- that God has blessed only them if they follow the law - Jews view poverty negatively and in their religious texts it has been portrayed as an unjustifiable burden. Unlike Christians who see poverty as a virtue, Rabbis see no virtue in poverty they call it unjustifiable suffering. Jewish law calls upon Jews to do everything in their power to avoid becoming a burden on others.

On your point 6...I wonder what Warren Buffet would say
"There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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digitek1
#13 Posted : Saturday, May 09, 2015 11:31:59 AM
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Jews are disproportionately richer than any other religion and they are very religious as a simple Google search of wealth vs religion shows

capitalism also owes it's spread to the Protestant work ethic
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Alba
#14 Posted : Saturday, May 09, 2015 4:54:13 PM
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mv_ufanisi wrote:
Things which hoodwinked me in the past

In no short order;

1. Poverty causes insecurity and thuggery - until you visit poor countries where no one will steal from you
2. Education leads to national wealth - until you realize that there are lots of educated poor people and lots of uneducated wealthy people. This raises the question, should we be always talking about educating people as the solution to poverty alleviation in our countries?

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Agree with the points except 1 and 2
Nothing exists in a vacuum, there are other factors that have to be present.

Poverty is the primary factor in a high crime rate but not by itself. In order for poverty to breed crime, there has to be a culture of stealing. Countries like Tanzania and Burundi do not have a culture of crime which is why crime is much lower there despite them being poorer than Kenya. Kenya on the other hand has a culture of crime that was formented by our own leaders. That is why in Kenya the crime rate spirals as opportunities become fewer and people become poorer.

Wherever there is a high crime rate, there is always poverty. There is no place on this planet where a high crime rate exists without significant poverty.

With regard to education, it does indeed create wealth but only if the leaders of the country create an environment where said education can be utilized. For example, Kenya has a significant number of highly qualified staff. With these Kenya can be a services outsourcing destination for big companies in Europe. But only if government tackles corruption and builds the infrastructure needed to attract outsourcing.

In other words, having a highly educated workforce attracts foreign investment but only if the government gets it act in order. Thats why I have always said Kenyans are their own worst enemies. You choose voting based on tribal sycophancy instead of voting to hold government accountable.
D32
#15 Posted : Saturday, May 09, 2015 9:00:48 PM
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When I was a kid, I used to think that all adults were mature, I did not believe or know that there were immature adults. Thought that adulthood by default equals maturity (behavior).
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mv_ufanisi
#16 Posted : Sunday, May 10, 2015 6:51:45 PM
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digitek1 wrote:
Jews are disproportionately richer than any other religion and they are very religious as a simple Google search of wealth vs religion shows

capitalism also owes it's spread to the Protestant work ethic


What's the GDP per capita of Israel an almost entirely Jewish country? Not among the top 10 highest in the world.

Christians like to tout Jewish exceptionalism as some kind of "god-given" trait while Muslims probably see the oil wealth of the middle east as some evidence of "super-natural" providence.

Fuzzy statistics to confuse those who don't cross check stats.



Rahatupu
#17 Posted : Sunday, May 10, 2015 9:31:46 PM
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Used to think the brightest people including the president didn't need a ruler to draw a straight line.
mv_ufanisi
#18 Posted : Sunday, May 10, 2015 9:49:20 PM
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The earliest one is the lie we learn in primary school;

the most quiet, obedient, hardworking and respectful student has the best future outlook.

Alas! The guys who make a dent in the world tend to be the rebels, the guys who don't follow the script, the ones who are considered radical and too off the script. Not the meek types who look to rise up the ladder by being nice guys and doing what they are told and making everyone happy.
murchr
#19 Posted : Monday, May 11, 2015 1:25:40 AM
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mv_ufanisi wrote:
digitek1 wrote:
Jews are disproportionately richer than any other religion and they are very religious as a simple Google search of wealth vs religion shows

capitalism also owes it's spread to the Protestant work ethic


What's the GDP per capita of Israel an almost entirely Jewish country? Not among the top 10 highest in the world.

Christians like to tout Jewish exceptionalism as some kind of "god-given" trait while Muslims probably see the oil wealth of the middle east as some evidence of "super-natural" providence.

Fuzzy statistics to confuse those who don't cross check stats.





Per wikipedia 2013 - GDP -290.6B; PPP - $36,051.15; Size of Israel - 8,019m2 (about 2 Nyanza provinces) Population 8M Jews abroad esp those in Europe and America are real rich..To name a few, the Rothschild; Larry Elison - Oracle, Michael Bloomberg; The google boys - Larry Page and Sergey Brin, George Soros Mark Cuban etc If you want to understand this read Gldwell's "Outliers" Culture plays a very big part in shaping a people

"There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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masukuma
#20 Posted : Monday, May 11, 2015 7:18:57 AM
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Culture plays a huge role in making an ethnic group standout from others. Most rich Jews are irreligious they are quite atheistic in nature. Being Jewish is like being a luo or a kyuk.last time I checked...most of all those listed as Jews above are non practising and Israel is 42% irreligious
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