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Elliott Wave Analysis Of The NSE 20
mnandii
#321 Posted : Saturday, March 28, 2015 2:44:41 PM
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Socionomics Reverses the Thinking Process Relating Markets and Events

While knowledge of current events and extramarket conditions has almost no value in predicting the stock market, knowledge about the position of the market can help predict changes in outside conditions. The Wave Principle provides a basis for speculating upon upcoming changes in market trends and therefore the events that result from the social psychology that the trend changes represent. This ability provides an opportunity to prepare for the coming character of events, and sometimes even actual events, before they are realized. It is worth knowing, for instance, that banks were closed by government decree in 1933 shortly after the low of Supercycle wave (IV) and that most of the banks in the country closed in 1857 as well, at the end of Supercycle wave (II). It is unlikely, therefore, that with regard to bank health, the next bear market of Supercycle or larger degree will fail to produce similar results. Most analysts work the other way around. For example, they wait until they have observed widespread bank failures and then declare their bearish meaning for the stock market, which is precisely the opposite of their true implication. With the Wave Principle, we have a tool that allows us to use the pattern of social mood objectively and properly rather than let it bend us to its design.

A conventional analyst asks, 'What will the Fed's actions do for, or to, the stock and bond markets? The Socionomist asks, 'What will stock and bond market action do for (or to) the reputation of the Fed?'

A conventional analyst sees a country's prime minister as standing 'at the helm of the economy'. The Socionomist sees social mood, and thus the market, and thus the economy, as standing at the helm of the prime minister's reputation. A conventional analyst asks how bills in congress (our case, parliament) will affect the stock market. The Socionomist asks what the stock market says about the kinds of bills that will be introduced and whether they will be passed. A conventional analyst points out that an election was divisive. The Socionomist says it was divided. A conventional analyst says that the outbreak of war will make people fearful and angry. The Socionomist says that angry and fearful people are prone to engaging in war. A conventional analyst asks how a federal government tax surplus will help the country. The Socionomist asks when it is in the wave progression of social mood that budget surpluses typically occur and forecasts the surplus. A conventional analyst asks what the impact of revised corporate earnings estimates will be on the stock market. The Socionomist watches the trend of stock prices and predicts in what direction analysts will revise their earnings estimates. Let us explore some concrete examples of this reversal of roles.

Throughout the 1950s, people built bomb shelters. They were responding to events that had already happened, in essence preparing for 1945 a decade late. In 1994, the Smithsonian Institution placed a bomb shelter in its collection as a relic. Observers, conventional analysts all hailed it as reflecting the beginning of a new era of peace for mankind. What is the true importance of that occurrence as a reflection of social mood? It reflects a complacency common to developing major social mood tops. It suggests to a socionomist that the long-term positive mood trend is nearing an extreme and that worries about warfare will probably soon begin waxing again. Conventional thinkers waste time building shelters when they are unnecessary and then have no shelters when they need them the most. Socionomists do the opposite.

Here is another example. Major market uptrends eventually bring into fashion the recurring belief that market timing is passe and useless, if not counterproductive: "All one needs is good stock selection. Just stay in good stocks, and you will make money and be safe." When have we seen this sentiment widely expressed? Answer: 1928, 1968 and 1998. Few made this case in June 1984. No one made this in 1932, 1942, 1859 or 1842. What socionomic conclusion can you draw when this opinion is pervasive? It is a symptom of complacency about the trend of the overall market, a complacency that people express only very late in uptrends. Now contemplate the kind of irony that we continually observe when thinking socionomically. It is precisely the position of the stock market in its overall trend that induces people to say that the position of the stock market in its overall trend is irrelevant. At the bottom of a bear market, timing becomes the new philosophy, which assumes its place on the pedestal just when it is actually time to concentrate on holding and selecting stocks. Socionomists can observe and profit from such irony in the marketplace very day; conventional analysts produce irony every day without knowing it.

Conventional thinkers waste time building shelters when they are unnecessary and then have no shelters when they need them the most. Socionomists do the opposite.
mnandii
#322 Posted : Saturday, March 28, 2015 2:56:18 PM
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An extreme trend in positive social mood indeed: the president publicly apologizing for atrocities committed now and in the past!

Time to become increasingly pessimistic.
Conventional thinkers waste time building shelters when they are unnecessary and then have no shelters when they need them the most. Socionomists do the opposite.
mnandii
#323 Posted : Saturday, March 28, 2015 3:11:49 PM
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Are we likely to get a female Central Bank Governor this time? Women usually get the mantle in bear markets.
Conventional thinkers waste time building shelters when they are unnecessary and then have no shelters when they need them the most. Socionomists do the opposite.
derick
#324 Posted : Saturday, March 28, 2015 3:37:47 PM
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mnandii wrote:
Are we likely to get a female Central Bank Governor this time? Women usually get the mantle in bear markets.

I highly doubt that.
Your income is directly related to your philosophy, Not the economy.-Jim Rohn
mnandii
#325 Posted : Saturday, March 28, 2015 6:22:22 PM
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derick wrote:
mnandii wrote:
Are we likely to get a female Central Bank Governor this time? Women usually get the mantle in bear markets.

I highly doubt that.



Which, I as a socionomist, expect. This is because your 'decision' (in parenthesis because it is not a decision per se) to express doubt comes from the limbic part of your brain. The limbic system, which is faster than the rational part of your brain is responsible for action that does not require 'thinking'. E.g the herding impulse in animals protects the herd i.e safety in numbers. The same way if a bomb goes off nearby you will immediately flee.

The limbic system, which part of brain develops before the rational brain part, is designed to enhance life. E.g it is safer for wild animals to graze in a group rather than alone in which case the danger of being killed increases.

For human beings, in a situation in which they are unsure of what to do e.g whether to buy or sell a stock, they will tend to seek the opinion of others (albeit unconsciously) and thus herd. This fact explains why 95% of investors/traders fail.

So, in our case, you feel that a female Central bank governor cannot be chosen presently. Worse, if I ask ask you why
that should be so that is when you will start to rationalize the reasons.

NB: Pls don't take my comments above in a negative light. I was just trying to drive home a point.

Also, most people in this forum do not and will not agree with me for as long as they are human beings because the pre-rational part of their brains has already determined that. All these relates to social mood and hence the Wave Principle.
Conventional thinkers waste time building shelters when they are unnecessary and then have no shelters when they need them the most. Socionomists do the opposite.
DBLyon
#326 Posted : Monday, March 30, 2015 9:42:42 AM
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Mnandii, you are my hero. Geeky hero. :):):)
When you live for others' opinions, you are dead.

- Carlos Slim Helu
DBLyon
#327 Posted : Monday, March 30, 2015 9:52:05 AM
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I think we should have coffee.
When you live for others' opinions, you are dead.

- Carlos Slim Helu
mkonomtupu
#328 Posted : Monday, March 30, 2015 10:35:22 AM
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My bellwether stock NIC bank is showing the barometer is down
hisah
#329 Posted : Tuesday, April 07, 2015 10:40:59 AM
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Strong rejection @5500 level as expected. Still a solid multi year barrier with NSE20 now clocking a 5 week losing streak enroute to test the 5000 handle. Waiting to see if former multi-year resistance will offer support. Support buffer is cluster between 4900 - 5050 level. Below there down to 4700.

When the 4yr rising wedge is broken downwards, bears will be in the driving seat.

$15/barrel oil... The commodities lehman moment arrives as well as Sovereign debt volcano!
hisah
#330 Posted : Friday, April 10, 2015 12:33:12 PM
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hisah wrote:
Strong rejection @5500 level as expected. Still a solid multi year barrier with NSE20 now clocking a 5 week losing streak enroute to test the 5000 handle. Waiting to see if former multi-year resistance will offer support. Support buffer is cluster between 4900 - 5050 level. Below there down to 4700.

When the 4yr rising wedge is broken downwards, bears will be in the driving seat.



NSE20 enroute to close in the red 6 weeks in a row! You have to go back to Q2 2012 to spot this losing streak in weekly cartoon! On the monthly cartoon, if April closes in the red that will be a 2 month sellside trend.

Should the above rising wedge break down hard, the entire 2013/2014 gains risk reversal. Keep an eye on this. While break above up rising trendline will open a retest of 6000 level last seen in 2007.
$15/barrel oil... The commodities lehman moment arrives as well as Sovereign debt volcano!
hisah
#331 Posted : Friday, April 17, 2015 9:24:27 AM
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hisah wrote:
hisah wrote:
Strong rejection @5500 level as expected. Still a solid multi year barrier with NSE20 now clocking a 5 week losing streak enroute to test the 5000 handle. Waiting to see if former multi-year resistance will offer support. Support buffer is cluster between 4900 - 5050 level. Below there down to 4700.

When the 4yr rising wedge is broken downwards, bears will be in the driving seat.



NSE20 enroute to close in the red 6 weeks in a row! You have to go back to Q2 2012 to spot this losing streak in weekly cartoon! On the monthly cartoon, if April closes in the red that will be a 2 month sellside trend.

Should the above rising wedge break down hard, the entire 2013/2014 gains risk reversal. Keep an eye on this. While break above up rising trendline will open a retest of 6000 level last seen in 2007.

NSE20 closed below 5100 level yesterday @5076. Heading for week 7 in red. Wow! The losing streak is relentless while the strong bear is still not in town!?

@mnandii - as expected the banks have drenched boots with insurance also donned the same.
$15/barrel oil... The commodities lehman moment arrives as well as Sovereign debt volcano!
Aardwolf
#332 Posted : Monday, April 20, 2015 11:19:17 AM
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Admittedly, this is a steep learning curve for me but I hope to gain some knowledge. I have tried to assimilate as much as I can about the Elliot Wave but all I can deduce is that this is not the right time to invest in stocks at the NSE. Is that right?Sad . Analysis by @mnadii suggest the bear is about to get loose and I was about to flex muscle as a first time investor. Should I stay out of the stock market for now?

My employer is about to pay me significant arrears from the year 2012, and I was considering joining the fray. I am keen not to create "pressure cooker" atmospheres for myself watching my portfolio plummet just like @mnadii foresees.Sad
mkonomtupu
#333 Posted : Monday, April 20, 2015 12:36:27 PM
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Aardwolf wrote:
Admittedly, this is a steep learning curve for me but I hope to gain some knowledge. I have tried to assimilate as much as I can about the Elliot Wave but all I can deduce is that this is not the right time to invest in stocks at the NSE. Is that right?Sad . Analysis by @mnadii suggest the bear is about to get loose and I was about to flex muscle as a first time investor. Should I stay out of the stock market for now?

My employer is about to pay me significant arrears from the year 2012, and I was considering joining the fray. I am keen not to create "pressure cooker" atmospheres for myself watching my portfolio plummet just like @mnadii foresees.Sad


Karibu wazua. You will finds bulls, bears, chickens and pigs in here.

In the market the bulls make money, bears make money, chickens stay put and the pigs get slaughtered. This statement will help you more than the Elliot wave
S.Mutaga III
#334 Posted : Monday, April 20, 2015 2:04:46 PM
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mkonomtupu wrote:
Aardwolf wrote:
Admittedly, this is a steep learning curve for me but I hope to gain some knowledge. I have tried to assimilate as much as I can about the Elliot Wave but all I can deduce is that this is not the right time to invest in stocks at the NSE. Is that right?Sad . Analysis by @mnadii suggest the bear is about to get loose and I was about to flex muscle as a first time investor. Should I stay out of the stock market for now?

My employer is about to pay me significant arrears from the year 2012, and I was considering joining the fray. I am keen not to create "pressure cooker" atmospheres for myself watching my portfolio plummet just like @mnadii foresees.Sad


Karibu wazua. You will finds bulls, bears, chickens and pigs in here.

In the market the bulls make money, bears make money, chickens stay put and the pigs get slaughtered. This statement will help you more than the Elliot wave

I want the bear back because its the only way that I will get blue chips with good dividend yields at rock bottom prices. I am getting bored with the little opportunities present. With a bear market, you get spoilt for choice as stocks hit new lows
A successful man is not he who gets the best, it is he who makes the best from what he gets.
mkonomtupu
#335 Posted : Monday, April 20, 2015 2:51:24 PM
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If you are watching the bear then keep an eye on the china economy. Scary stuff out there and they are still doing stimulus with reserve cuts Pray Pray Pray

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Of course, plenty of people will dismiss that as just another bubble. Some of the statistics are certainly pretty scary. Deutsche Bank points out that there are school uniform and ketchup manufacturers trading on 300-times earnings. China’s technology stocks are trading at twice the levels of American ones at the peak of the dotcom boom. Almost one in five stocks is on a PE ratio of more than 100. That is probably crazy. The Chinese are inveterate gamblers, who seem to think the stock market should basically be a casino, so it would hardly be surprising if the mania for equities got out of control. Parts of the market may already be there.


http://www.telegraph.co....l-change-the-world.html

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The People's Bank of China (PBoC) reduced the amount of money banks must set aside as reserves by one percentage point in a bid to spur more lending.
The announcement on Sunday came in the wake of data showing the country grew at its slowest pace in six years.
hisah
#336 Posted : Wednesday, April 22, 2015 6:48:07 PM
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1yr NSE20 just for visuals @sparkly, SPT, mnandii. Bull strength running out of time!

$15/barrel oil... The commodities lehman moment arrives as well as Sovereign debt volcano!
Sufficiently Philanga....thropic
#337 Posted : Wednesday, April 22, 2015 9:10:55 PM
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This current 400pt retracement,as seen above, looks to have little resistance unlike the 500pt one between Sept 2014 to Jan 2015 signaling buyer fatigue/buyers getting overpowered by sellers .
@SufficientlyP
sparkly
#338 Posted : Sunday, April 26, 2015 8:49:48 PM
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hisah wrote:
1yr NSE20 just for visuals @sparkly, SPT, mnandii. Bull strength running out of time!



We need a rebound to 5300 like yesterday. If it doesn't happen, market is in trouble!!!
Life is short. Live passionately.
hisah
#339 Posted : Sunday, April 26, 2015 9:06:58 PM
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Week 8 closed in the red for NSE20. Two consecutive sellside months.

@sparkly - Indeed if we can't regain 5300 the selling pressure will start piling up!
$15/barrel oil... The commodities lehman moment arrives as well as Sovereign debt volcano!
mnandii
#340 Posted : Thursday, May 07, 2015 8:02:36 AM
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Safaricom share price is ripe for a fall.
Conventional thinkers waste time building shelters when they are unnecessary and then have no shelters when they need them the most. Socionomists do the opposite.
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