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Swenani
#1 Posted : Friday, April 24, 2015 9:12:22 AM
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Africans are perishing in the Mediterranean in seach of better lives in Europe

very sad

Surprisingly,the AU is silent on this matter and left it to the EU.

@Alphadoti throws@Mukiri into the ocean
If Obiero did it, Who Am I?
Muriel
#2 Posted : Friday, April 24, 2015 9:19:00 AM
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Swenani, I tend to think this thing is not voluntary. There is some compulsion. Why would anyone go where he is not welcome?
Speculz
#3 Posted : Friday, April 24, 2015 9:44:56 AM
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Muriel wrote:



Swenani, I tend to think this thing is not voluntary. There is some compulsion. Why would anyone go where he is not welcome?



Muriel , would the illusion of safety etc not want you to cross? Besides maybe some of the people do not actually know the fate of those that go before them.
"You can't have everything. Where would you put it?" - Stephen Wright
Wakanyugi
#4 Posted : Friday, April 24, 2015 11:37:16 AM
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Muriel wrote:



Swenani, I tend to think this thing is not voluntary. There is some compulsion. Why would anyone go where he is not welcome?


It is a complex problem, but indeed it is not 'voluntary.'

The conditions of economic deprivation and/or political repression are a important push factors that force people to take the risk.

The following article makes for a painful read but is quite revealing:


"If I die at sea, it's not a problem – at least I won't be tortured"



"The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement. But the opposite of a profound truth may well be another profound truth." (Niels Bohr)
Muriel
#5 Posted : Friday, April 24, 2015 11:52:48 AM
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Speculz wrote:
Muriel wrote:



Swenani, I tend to think this thing is not voluntary. There is some compulsion. Why would anyone go where he is not welcome?



Muriel , would the illusion of safety etc not want you to cross? Besides maybe some of the people do not actually know the fate of those that go before them.


I know not of others from other continents, but the African needs to stop boarding ships to other continents.
Muriel
#6 Posted : Friday, April 24, 2015 11:54:27 AM
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Wakanyugi wrote:
Muriel wrote:



Swenani, I tend to think this thing is not voluntary. There is some compulsion. Why would anyone go where he is not welcome?


It is a complex problem, but indeed it is not 'voluntary.'

The conditions of economic deprivation and/or political repression are a important push factors that force people to take the risk.

The following article makes for a painful read but is quite revealing:


"If I die at sea, it's not a problem – at least I won't be tortured"





They are depleting Africa of fighters and defenders.
Swenani
#7 Posted : Wednesday, May 06, 2015 11:20:02 AM
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40 more die
If Obiero did it, Who Am I?
butterflyke
#8 Posted : Wednesday, May 06, 2015 1:01:17 PM
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Muriel wrote:



Swenani, I tend to think this thing is not voluntary. There is some compulsion. Why would anyone go where he is not welcome?


Same reason why Kenyans fall for pyramid scams everytime....the risk seems enormous but there is a perception that if one gets worth the reward, it will be totally worth it.

IF...
Float like a butterfly, sting like a bee. - Muhammad Ali🐝
Wakanyugi
#9 Posted : Wednesday, May 06, 2015 4:38:40 PM
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Muriel wrote:
Wakanyugi wrote:
Muriel wrote:



Swenani, I tend to think this thing is not voluntary. There is some compulsion. Why would anyone go where he is not welcome?


It is a complex problem, but indeed it is not 'voluntary.'

The conditions of economic deprivation and/or political repression are a important push factors that force people to take the risk.

The following article makes for a painful read but is quite revealing:


"If I die at sea, it's not a problem – at least I won't be tortured"





They are depleting Africa of fighters and defenders.


The real paradox is Europe's myopic reaction to these modern day 'boat people.' They spend billions to keep the doors closed. Yet, with rapidly aging populations, in less than 50 years Europe will be begging for immigrants to save their economies.

By then Africa, Asia and the Middle East will have moved on.
"The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement. But the opposite of a profound truth may well be another profound truth." (Niels Bohr)
poundfoolish
#10 Posted : Wednesday, May 06, 2015 4:45:32 PM
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Wakanyugi wrote:
Muriel wrote:
Wakanyugi wrote:
Muriel wrote:



Swenani, I tend to think this thing is not voluntary. There is some compulsion. Why would anyone go where he is not welcome?


It is a complex problem, but indeed it is not 'voluntary.'

The conditions of economic deprivation and/or political repression are a important push factors that force people to take the risk.

The following article makes for a painful read but is quite revealing:


"If I die at sea, it's not a problem – at least I won't be tortured"





They are depleting Africa of fighters and defenders.


The real paradox is Europe's myopic reaction to these modern day 'boat people.' They spend billions to keep the doors closed. Yet, with rapidly aging populations, in less than 50 years Europe will be begging for immigrants to save their economies.

By then Africa, Asia and the Middle East will have moved on.


Please allow me to call you Schupid!

Now go ahead... carry on
Wakanyugi
#11 Posted : Wednesday, May 06, 2015 6:25:24 PM
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poundfoolish wrote:
Wakanyugi wrote:
Muriel wrote:
Wakanyugi wrote:
Muriel wrote:



Swenani, I tend to think this thing is not voluntary. There is some compulsion. Why would anyone go where he is not welcome?


It is a complex problem, but indeed it is not 'voluntary.'

The conditions of economic deprivation and/or political repression are a important push factors that force people to take the risk.

The following article makes for a painful read but is quite revealing:


"If I die at sea, it's not a problem – at least I won't be tortured"





They are depleting Africa of fighters and defenders.


The real paradox is Europe's myopic reaction to these modern day 'boat people.' They spend billions to keep the doors closed. Yet, with rapidly aging populations, in less than 50 years Europe will be begging for immigrants to save their economies.

By then Africa, Asia and the Middle East will have moved on.


Please allow me to call you Schupid!

Now go ahead... carry on



Sorry, I don't do gutter

Of course you are free to wallow to your hearts content. It is a free country.

"The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement. But the opposite of a profound truth may well be another profound truth." (Niels Bohr)
kiash
#12 Posted : Wednesday, May 06, 2015 6:52:31 PM
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People think that being an African out here you should sympathise with fellow African immigrants.I have watched the horror arrivals for some time now.Most of the current immigrants are from Senegal and Guinea plus more from Eritrea,Ethiopia,Sudan and Somalia.Most of them are saying they are seeking assylum.I think the only people who should be seeking assylum are Somalis.I have never heard of any war in Senegal or Guinea. Eritreans are in dictatorship.
How come there are no Congolese on those ships? The problem is even the genuine assylum seekers will not get a chance coz they will all be treated the same.
But the problem lies elsewhere! whereas Kenyans can queue at the US, UK,Australian,SA, German and any other embassy (nordic countries)Spanish, ,French,Italian etc , these guys only speak French.They will all seek visas to go to France.France went into an agreement with Morocco regarding student visas.At the moment, Morocco sends more students than all other African (Nyeuthi) countries combined so these guys will go to the embassy every day only to be told NO. The only hope is the sea.
By the way i hear there are Kenyans who applied for assylum in Canada after 2003 "war" and got it.
Tara
#13 Posted : Wednesday, May 06, 2015 9:40:04 PM
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Who would have thought Kenyans would be crossing the Mediterranean. Are things in Kenya that desperate?
Coolbull
#14 Posted : Wednesday, May 06, 2015 11:20:53 PM
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Tara wrote:
Who would have thought Kenyans would be crossing the Mediterranean. Are things in Kenya that desperate?


Akina Kamau do it for adventure...
radio
#15 Posted : Thursday, May 07, 2015 12:27:42 AM
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Coolbull wrote:
Tara wrote:
Who would have thought Kenyans would be crossing the Mediterranean. Are things in Kenya that desperate?


Akina Kamau do it for adventure...


Adventure? Which adventure? Death in high seas?
Tokyo
#16 Posted : Thursday, May 07, 2015 5:19:45 AM
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I wonder why only Africans are drowning trying to cross to other men land.
work to prosper
murchr
#17 Posted : Thursday, May 07, 2015 5:32:05 AM
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Tokyo wrote:
I wonder why only Africans are drowning trying to cross to other men land.


Its normal, nomads have to move here and there, thats how they met the neanderthal interbred and produced the white race. Such is life. Asians are drowning trying to get to Australia and in a few months, you'll hear of South Americans trying to get to N. America. Well...you know of how Australia, USA and Canada came to be
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Muriel
#18 Posted : Thursday, May 07, 2015 7:27:17 AM
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Wakanyugi wrote:
poundfoolish wrote:
Wakanyugi wrote:
Muriel wrote:
Wakanyugi wrote:
Muriel wrote:



Swenani, I tend to think this thing is not voluntary. There is some compulsion. Why would anyone go where he is not welcome?


It is a complex problem, but indeed it is not 'voluntary.'

The conditions of economic deprivation and/or political repression are a important push factors that force people to take the risk.

The following article makes for a painful read but is quite revealing:


"If I die at sea, it's not a problem – at least I won't be tortured"





They are depleting Africa of fighters and defenders.


The real paradox is Europe's myopic reaction to these modern day 'boat people.' They spend billions to keep the doors closed. Yet, with rapidly aging populations, in less than 50 years Europe will be begging for immigrants to save their economies.

By then Africa, Asia and the Middle East will have moved on.


Please allow me to call you Schupid!

Now go ahead... carry on



Sorry, I don't do gutter

Of course you are free to wallow to your hearts content. It is a free country.



Absolutely. The brotherhood does not do gutter. It has high social standards. That was a (censored) statement from pound foolish.

Yes. Their populations are aging and they foster conflict in which hundreds of thousands die creating a backlash of sorts then attempt to 'protect' themselves. Indeed, a myopic reaction.

It's untrue to insist the status quo will be, all other things being constant, in the next 100 years.
Swenani
#19 Posted : Thursday, May 07, 2015 8:28:55 AM
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Tokyo wrote:
I wonder why only Africans are drowning trying to cross to other men land.


Because African leaders and society have failed them
If Obiero did it, Who Am I?
Alba
#20 Posted : Thursday, May 07, 2015 6:19:14 PM
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Muriel wrote:



Swenani, I tend to think this thing is not voluntary. There is some compulsion. Why would anyone go where he is not welcome?


Lots of people are hopeless, desperate or depressed and are seeking a better life.
Man we Africans need to fix our countries.
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