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Mukiri wrote:Boris Boyka wrote:UpcomingPaperChaser wrote:as someone has already pointed above. I think we can summarize it that way. A society got civilized faster than all the other societies in the world. it then decided to document all its religious believes.my issues of contention are as follows:
-According to the Bible, God only did good things only to Jews and caused pain and anger among others like Egyptians and Palestines. Is God unjust and unfair only to love others and hate others?
-For crude oil to form undeneath the earth's surface, it can take upto 1 million years for plant and animal remains to undergo decomopisition and chemical alterations to become crude oil under extreme temperatures. The Biblical story from Adam to the year 2000 is approximately 5000 years!! How comes?
-If going to heaven only happens after you accept Christ Jesus as per the new testament what will happen to Africans who died before Bible things were brought by the white man to Africa?
-How comes most Chinese are pagans or worship funny funny gods but they still progress while Nigeria with very many Christians suffer from very many calamities?
- I believe that God exists, He surely does exist. But these Bible and Quran things, i find them to be the undoings of men who were influential during those times!! Interesting!  The oil formed before God decided to create man maybe. Picture a child/toddler, trying to take in an adult's explanation... I bet this is what God, Alpha and Omega, sees when we try 'defining' Him. Is God's one day, similar to our one day? If man can be made in a split second... when sperm gets to ovum, what is crude oil? It is possible that there were oil refineries before the floods .Gen 6:14 God advised Noah to cover the Ark with pitch ( tar) pitch is a black glue- like substance left behind when coal tar is heated or distilled . It belongs to the same family of substances as asphalt or bitumen. Truth forever on the scaffold
Wrong forever on the throne
(James Russell Rowell)
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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murchr wrote:tycho wrote:murchr wrote:tycho wrote:masukuma wrote:tycho wrote:murchr wrote:What was the importance of gold in the garden of Eden? Gen 2: 12-13 wrote:The name of the first is Pishon; it flows around the whole land of Havilah, where there is gold. 12The gold of that land is good; the bdellium and the onyx stone are there. 13The name of the second river is Gihon; it flows around the whole land of Cush.… The mythical import of gold is everlasting perfection. yeah... the concept of the streets of gold have always baffled me - why? gold is only valuable because it's rare (and noble)! not because it's beautiful having lots of it kinda kills the value of Gold.... it's not the best building material for roads. The meaning we give to symbols in the deepest areas of mythical space contrasts greatly with the normal day to day meanings. Like 'road' isn't a construction like Uhuru highway, but a basis for being. A golden road is a perfect and noble basis for being. Ant known gold deposits in the middle east? I don't know if there are or there have been gold deposits in the ME. But their actual or physical existence is unnecessary in issues regarding myth. Only knowledge of it's symbolism is sufficient. If its a myth then it should have been inspired by the surroundings. If there are no gold deposits then the middle-easterners must have envied other societies that had gold......the land of cush may be? A myth isn't inspired by surroundings. Surroundings are the myth. Cush is a myth. Reality is a myth.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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Thitifini wrote:UpcomingPaperChaser wrote:as someone has already pointed above. I think we can summarize it that way. A society got civilized faster than all the other societies in the world. it then decided to document all its religious believes.my issues of contention are as follows:
-According to the Bible, God only did good things only to Jews and caused pain and anger among others like Egyptians and Palestines. Is God unjust and unfair only to love others and hate others?
-For crude oil to form undeneath the earth's surface, it can take upto 1 million years for plant and animal remains to undergo decomopisition and chemical alterations to become crude oil under extreme temperatures. The Biblical story from Adam to the year 2000 is approximately 5000 years!! How comes?
-If going to heaven only happens after you accept Christ Jesus as per the new testament what will happen to Africans who died before Bible things were brought by the white man to Africa?
-How comes most Chinese are pagans or worship funny funny gods but they still progress while Nigeria with very many Christians suffer from very many calamities?
- I believe that God exists, He surely does exist. But these Bible and Quran things, i find them to be the undoings of men who were influential during those times!! Do the Chinese worship funny gods? How are myths to be evaluated? By number of sky scrapers? We're so likely to confuse issues here.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/4/2006 Posts: 13,823 Location: Nairobi
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kaka2za wrote:Mukiri wrote:Boris Boyka wrote:UpcomingPaperChaser wrote:as someone has already pointed above. I think we can summarize it that way. A society got civilized faster than all the other societies in the world. it then decided to document all its religious believes.my issues of contention are as follows:
-According to the Bible, God only did good things only to Jews and caused pain and anger among others like Egyptians and Palestines. Is God unjust and unfair only to love others and hate others?
-For crude oil to form undeneath the earth's surface, it can take upto 1 million years for plant and animal remains to undergo decomopisition and chemical alterations to become crude oil under extreme temperatures. The Biblical story from Adam to the year 2000 is approximately 5000 years!! How comes?
-If going to heaven only happens after you accept Christ Jesus as per the new testament what will happen to Africans who died before Bible things were brought by the white man to Africa?
-How comes most Chinese are pagans or worship funny funny gods but they still progress while Nigeria with very many Christians suffer from very many calamities?
- I believe that God exists, He surely does exist. But these Bible and Quran things, i find them to be the undoings of men who were influential during those times!! Interesting! The oil formed before God decided to create man maybe. Picture a child/toddler, trying to take in an adult's explanation... I bet this is what God, Alpha and Omega, sees when we try 'defining' Him. Is God's one day, similar to our one day? If man can be made in a split second... when sperm gets to ovum, what is crude oil? It is possible that there were oil refineries before the floods .Gen 6:14 God advised Noah to cover the Ark with pitch ( tar) pitch is a black glue- like substance left behind when coal tar is heated or distilled . It belongs to the same family of substances as asphalt or bitumen. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tar_pitAll Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2012 Posts: 15,980
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tycho wrote:murchr wrote:tycho wrote:murchr wrote:tycho wrote:masukuma wrote:tycho wrote:murchr wrote:What was the importance of gold in the garden of Eden? Gen 2: 12-13 wrote:The name of the first is Pishon; it flows around the whole land of Havilah, where there is gold. 12The gold of that land is good; the bdellium and the onyx stone are there. 13The name of the second river is Gihon; it flows around the whole land of Cush.… The mythical import of gold is everlasting perfection. yeah... the concept of the streets of gold have always baffled me - why? gold is only valuable because it's rare (and noble)! not because it's beautiful having lots of it kinda kills the value of Gold.... it's not the best building material for roads. The meaning we give to symbols in the deepest areas of mythical space contrasts greatly with the normal day to day meanings. Like 'road' isn't a construction like Uhuru highway, but a basis for being. A golden road is a perfect and noble basis for being. Ant known gold deposits in the middle east? I don't know if there are or there have been gold deposits in the ME. But their actual or physical existence is unnecessary in issues regarding myth. Only knowledge of it's symbolism is sufficient. If its a myth then it should have been inspired by the surroundings. If there are no gold deposits then the middle-easterners must have envied other societies that had gold......the land of cush may be? A myth isn't inspired by surroundings. Surroundings are the myth. Cush is a myth. Reality is a myth. You've started to drain this conversation because clearly you are running out of substance. Keep off if you have nothing to say....CUSH is Ethiopia "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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murchr wrote:tycho wrote:murchr wrote:tycho wrote:murchr wrote:tycho wrote:masukuma wrote:tycho wrote:murchr wrote:What was the importance of gold in the garden of Eden? Gen 2: 12-13 wrote:The name of the first is Pishon; it flows around the whole land of Havilah, where there is gold. 12The gold of that land is good; the bdellium and the onyx stone are there. 13The name of the second river is Gihon; it flows around the whole land of Cush.… The mythical import of gold is everlasting perfection. yeah... the concept of the streets of gold have always baffled me - why? gold is only valuable because it's rare (and noble)! not because it's beautiful having lots of it kinda kills the value of Gold.... it's not the best building material for roads. The meaning we give to symbols in the deepest areas of mythical space contrasts greatly with the normal day to day meanings. Like 'road' isn't a construction like Uhuru highway, but a basis for being. A golden road is a perfect and noble basis for being. Ant known gold deposits in the middle east? I don't know if there are or there have been gold deposits in the ME. But their actual or physical existence is unnecessary in issues regarding myth. Only knowledge of it's symbolism is sufficient. If its a myth then it should have been inspired by the surroundings. If there are no gold deposits then the middle-easterners must have envied other societies that had gold......the land of cush may be? A myth isn't inspired by surroundings. Surroundings are the myth. Cush is a myth. Reality is a myth. You've started to drain this conversation because clearly you are running out of substance. Keep off if you have nothing to say....CUSH is Ethiopia Well, I often think one should ask a question in case of failure to understand. 'Cush is Ethiopia'; I doubt whether you've reflected on this expression. Though I know you may really want to use Ethiopia as a source of envy for your argument. Here's a start, if you can figure out the gist of my argument then we can engage - minus your self important attitude of course. Cush , also spelled Kush (/ kʊ ʃ, k ʌʃ/ ; Biblical: כּוּשׁ Kûš ), was according to the Bible the eldest son of Ham, who was a son of Noah . He was the brother of Mizraim (Egypt), Canaan (land of Canaan), and Phut, and the father of the Biblical character Nimrod mentioned in the " Table of Nations" in the Genesis 10:6 and I Chronicles 1:8. Cush is traditionally considered the eponymous ancestor of the people of the "land of Cush," an ancient territory that is believed to have been located on either side or both sides of the Red Sea . As such, "Cush" is alternately identified in Scripture with the kingdom of Meroë , ancient Aethiopia, and/or the Arabian peninsula
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2012 Posts: 15,980
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tycho wrote:murchr wrote:tycho wrote:murchr wrote:tycho wrote:murchr wrote:tycho wrote:masukuma wrote:tycho wrote:murchr wrote:What was the importance of gold in the garden of Eden? Gen 2: 12-13 wrote:The name of the first is Pishon; it flows around the whole land of Havilah, where there is gold. 12The gold of that land is good; the bdellium and the onyx stone are there. 13The name of the second river is Gihon; it flows around the whole land of Cush.… The mythical import of gold is everlasting perfection. yeah... the concept of the streets of gold have always baffled me - why? gold is only valuable because it's rare (and noble)! not because it's beautiful having lots of it kinda kills the value of Gold.... it's not the best building material for roads. The meaning we give to symbols in the deepest areas of mythical space contrasts greatly with the normal day to day meanings. Like 'road' isn't a construction like Uhuru highway, but a basis for being. A golden road is a perfect and noble basis for being. Ant known gold deposits in the middle east? I don't know if there are or there have been gold deposits in the ME. But their actual or physical existence is unnecessary in issues regarding myth. Only knowledge of it's symbolism is sufficient. If its a myth then it should have been inspired by the surroundings. If there are no gold deposits then the middle-easterners must have envied other societies that had gold......the land of cush may be? A myth isn't inspired by surroundings. Surroundings are the myth. Cush is a myth. Reality is a myth. You've started to drain this conversation because clearly you are running out of substance. Keep off if you have nothing to say....CUSH is Ethiopia Well, I often think one should ask a question in case of failure to understand. 'Cush is Ethiopia'; I doubt whether you've reflected on this expression. Though I know you may really want to use Ethiopia as a source of envy for your argument. Here's a start, if you can figure out the gist of my argument then we can engage - minus your self important attitude of course. Cush , also spelled Kush (/ kʊ ʃ, k ʌʃ/ ; Biblical: כּוּשׁ Kûš ), was according to the Bible the eldest son of Ham, who was a son of Noah . He was the brother of Mizraim (Egypt), Canaan (land of Canaan), and Phut, and the father of the Biblical character Nimrod mentioned in the " Table of Nations" in the Genesis 10:6 and I Chronicles 1:8. Cush is traditionally considered the eponymous ancestor of the people of the "land of Cush," an ancient territory that is believed to have been located on either side or both sides of the Red Sea . As such, "Cush" is alternately identified in Scripture with the kingdom of Meroë , ancient
Aethiopia, and/or the Arabian peninsula Back to the discussion. It shouldn't always be about you. The queen of sheba came to Jerusalem "with a very great retinue, with camels bearing spices, and very much gold, and precious stones" (I Kings 10:2). "Never again came such an abundance of spices" (10:10; II Chron. 9:1–9) as those which she gave to Solomon. "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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Yeah, @murchr, everything doesn't have to be about me. Hahaha! But please read the quote properly. . . and even if the part in red is what you can only see, have you checked on what it refers to? Let me quote it for you.
Aethiopia (Greek Αἰθιοπία) first appears as a
geographical term in classical sources in
reference to the Upper Nile region, as well as
all certain areas south of the Sahara desert
and south of the Atlantic Ocean. Its earliest
mention is in the works of Homer : twice in
the Iliad ,[1] and three times in the Odyssey .
[2] The Greek historian Herodotus specifically
uses it to refer to such parts of Sub-Saharan
Africa as were then known within the
inhabitable world.[3]
The queen of Sheba story:
Modern archaeological studies support the
view that the biblical kingdom of Sheba was
the ancient Semitic civilization of Saba in
Southern Arabia,[1][2][3][4][5] in Yemen ,
between 1200 BC until 275 AD with its capital
Marib. [6][7] The Kingdom fell after a long but
sporadic civil war between several Yemenite
dynasties claiming kingship, [8][9] resulting in
the rise of the late Himyarite Kingdom .
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2012 Posts: 15,980
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tycho wrote:Yeah, @murchr, everything doesn't have to be about me. Hahaha! But please read the quote properly. . . and even if the part in red is what you can only see, have you checked on what it refers to? Let me quote it for you.
Aethiopia (Greek Αἰθιοπία) first appears as a
geographical term in classical sources in
reference to the Upper Nile region, as well as
all certain areas south of the Sahara desert
and south of the Atlantic Ocean. Its earliest
mention is in the works of Homer : twice in
the Iliad ,[1] and three times in the Odyssey .
[2] The Greek historian Herodotus specifically
uses it to refer to such parts of Sub-Saharan
Africa as were then known within the
inhabitable world.[3]
The queen of Sheba story:
Modern archaeological studies support the
view that the biblical kingdom of Sheba was
the ancient Semitic civilization of Saba in
Southern Arabia,[1][2][3][4][5] in Yemen ,
between 1200 BC until 275 AD with its capital
Marib. [6][7] The Kingdom fell after a long but
sporadic civil war between several Yemenite
dynasties claiming kingship, [8][9] resulting in
the rise of the late Himyarite Kingdom .
You are clouding your mind. There are those who work so hard to disapprove the fact that Sheba was African. No matter how hard they try to erase the fact its still evident to this day that Sheba came from the Ethiopia we know today. The mix race we see with Ethiopians is as a result of the "wise men" who were sent back with Sheba to "teach" Solomon's son about the God of his fathers.. Now when you copy paste stuff, try to remove the footnote markings... "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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murchr wrote:tycho wrote:Yeah, @murchr, everything doesn't have to be about me. Hahaha! But please read the quote properly. . . and even if the part in red is what you can only see, have you checked on what it refers to? Let me quote it for you.
Aethiopia (Greek Αἰθιοπία) first appears as a
geographical term in classical sources in
reference to the Upper Nile region, as well as
all certain areas south of the Sahara desert
and south of the Atlantic Ocean. Its earliest
mention is in the works of Homer : twice in
the Iliad ,[1] and three times in the Odyssey .
[2] The Greek historian Herodotus specifically
uses it to refer to such parts of Sub-Saharan
Africa as were then known within the
inhabitable world.[3]
The queen of Sheba story:
Modern archaeological studies support the
view that the biblical kingdom of Sheba was
the ancient Semitic civilization of Saba in
Southern Arabia,[1][2][3][4][5] in Yemen ,
between 1200 BC until 275 AD with its capital
Marib. [6][7] The Kingdom fell after a long but
sporadic civil war between several Yemenite
dynasties claiming kingship, [8][9] resulting in
the rise of the late Himyarite Kingdom .
You are clouding your mind. There are those who work so hard to disapprove the fact that Sheba was African. No matter how hard they try to erase the fact its still evident to this day that Sheba came from the Ethiopia we know today. The mix race we see with Ethiopians is as a result of the "wise men" who were sent back with Sheba to "teach" Solomon's son about the God of his fathers.. Now when you copy paste stuff, try to remove the footnote markings... Lol, first Cush, then Sheba, then Æthiopia all, as you're unwittingly proving are myths- plus copy pasting footnotes! And even if Sheba is present day Ethiopia, is it still Cush? Hahaha! And you say your mind isn't clouded!
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