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tycho wrote:murchr wrote:What was the importance of gold in the garden of Eden? Gen 2: 12-13 wrote:The name of the first is Pishon; it flows around the whole land of Havilah, where there is gold. 12The gold of that land is good; the bdellium and the onyx stone are there. 13The name of the second river is Gihon; it flows around the whole land of Cush.… The mythical import of gold is everlasting perfection. yeah... the concept of the streets of gold have always baffled me - why? gold is only valuable because it's rare (and noble)! not because it's beautiful having lots of it kinda kills the value of Gold.... it's not the best building material for roads. All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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masukuma wrote:tycho wrote:murchr wrote:What was the importance of gold in the garden of Eden? Gen 2: 12-13 wrote:The name of the first is Pishon; it flows around the whole land of Havilah, where there is gold. 12The gold of that land is good; the bdellium and the onyx stone are there. 13The name of the second river is Gihon; it flows around the whole land of Cush.… The mythical import of gold is everlasting perfection. yeah... the concept of the streets of gold have always baffled me - why? gold is only valuable because it's rare (and noble)! not because it's beautiful having lots of it kinda kills the value of Gold.... it's not the best building material for roads. The meaning we give to symbols in the deepest areas of mythical space contrasts greatly with the normal day to day meanings. Like 'road' isn't a construction like Uhuru highway, but a basis for being. A golden road is a perfect and noble basis for being.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2012 Posts: 15,980
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tycho wrote:masukuma wrote:tycho wrote:murchr wrote:What was the importance of gold in the garden of Eden? Gen 2: 12-13 wrote:The name of the first is Pishon; it flows around the whole land of Havilah, where there is gold. 12The gold of that land is good; the bdellium and the onyx stone are there. 13The name of the second river is Gihon; it flows around the whole land of Cush.… The mythical import of gold is everlasting perfection. yeah... the concept of the streets of gold have always baffled me - why? gold is only valuable because it's rare (and noble)! not because it's beautiful having lots of it kinda kills the value of Gold.... it's not the best building material for roads. The meaning we give to symbols in the deepest areas of mythical space contrasts greatly with the normal day to day meanings. Like 'road' isn't a construction like Uhuru highway, but a basis for being. A golden road is a perfect and noble basis for being. Ant known gold deposits in the middle east? "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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murchr wrote:tycho wrote:masukuma wrote:tycho wrote:murchr wrote:What was the importance of gold in the garden of Eden? Gen 2: 12-13 wrote:The name of the first is Pishon; it flows around the whole land of Havilah, where there is gold. 12The gold of that land is good; the bdellium and the onyx stone are there. 13The name of the second river is Gihon; it flows around the whole land of Cush.… The mythical import of gold is everlasting perfection. yeah... the concept of the streets of gold have always baffled me - why? gold is only valuable because it's rare (and noble)! not because it's beautiful having lots of it kinda kills the value of Gold.... it's not the best building material for roads. The meaning we give to symbols in the deepest areas of mythical space contrasts greatly with the normal day to day meanings. Like 'road' isn't a construction like Uhuru highway, but a basis for being. A golden road is a perfect and noble basis for being. Ant known gold deposits in the middle east? I don't know if there are or there have been gold deposits in the ME. But their actual or physical existence is unnecessary in issues regarding myth. Only knowledge of it's symbolism is sufficient.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 11/15/2013 Posts: 1,977 Location: Here
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UpcomingPaperChaser wrote:as someone has already pointed above. I think we can summarize it that way. A society got civilized faster than all the other societies in the world. it then decided to document all its religious believes.my issues of contention are as follows:
-According to the Bible, God only did good things only to Jews and caused pain and anger among others like Egyptians and Palestines. Is God unjust and unfair only to love others and hate others?
-For crude oil to form undeneath the earth's surface, it can take upto 1 million years for plant and animal remains to undergo decomopisition and chemical alterations to become crude oil under extreme temperatures. The Biblical story from Adam to the year 2000 is approximately 5000 years!! How comes?
-If going to heaven only happens after you accept Christ Jesus as per the new testament what will happen to Africans who died before Bible things were brought by the white man to Africa?
-How comes most Chinese are pagans or worship funny funny gods but they still progress while Nigeria with very many Christians suffer from very many calamities?
- I believe that God exists, He surely does exist. But these Bible and Quran things, i find them to be the undoings of men who were influential during those times!! Interesting!  The oil formed before God decided to create man maybe. Everybody STEALS, a THIEF is one who's CAUGHT stealing something of LITTLE VALUE. !!!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2012 Posts: 15,980
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tycho wrote:murchr wrote:tycho wrote:masukuma wrote:tycho wrote:murchr wrote:What was the importance of gold in the garden of Eden? Gen 2: 12-13 wrote:The name of the first is Pishon; it flows around the whole land of Havilah, where there is gold. 12The gold of that land is good; the bdellium and the onyx stone are there. 13The name of the second river is Gihon; it flows around the whole land of Cush.… The mythical import of gold is everlasting perfection. yeah... the concept of the streets of gold have always baffled me - why? gold is only valuable because it's rare (and noble)! not because it's beautiful having lots of it kinda kills the value of Gold.... it's not the best building material for roads. The meaning we give to symbols in the deepest areas of mythical space contrasts greatly with the normal day to day meanings. Like 'road' isn't a construction like Uhuru highway, but a basis for being. A golden road is a perfect and noble basis for being. Ant known gold deposits in the middle east? I don't know if there are or there have been gold deposits in the ME. But their actual or physical existence is unnecessary in issues regarding myth. Only knowledge of it's symbolism is sufficient. If its a myth then it should have been inspired by the surroundings. If there are no gold deposits then the middle-easterners must have envied other societies that had gold......the land of cush may be? "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Rank: Member Joined: 1/15/2015 Posts: 681 Location: Kenya
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UpcomingPaperChaser wrote:as someone has already pointed above. I think we can summarize it that way. A society got civilized faster than all the other societies in the world. it then decided to document all its religious believes.my issues of contention are as follows:
-According to the Bible, God only did good things only to Jews and caused pain and anger among others like Egyptians and Palestines. Is God unjust and unfair only to love others and hate others?
-For crude oil to form undeneath the earth's surface, it can take upto 1 million years for plant and animal remains to undergo decomopisition and chemical alterations to become crude oil under extreme temperatures. The Biblical story from Adam to the year 2000 is approximately 5000 years!! How comes?
-If going to heaven only happens after you accept Christ Jesus as per the new testament what will happen to Africans who died before Bible things were brought by the white man to Africa?
-How comes most Chinese are pagans or worship funny funny gods but they still progress while Nigeria with very many Christians suffer from very many calamities?
- I believe that God exists, He surely does exist. But these Bible and Quran things, i find them to be the undoings of men who were influential during those times!!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/11/2012 Posts: 5,222
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Boris Boyka wrote:UpcomingPaperChaser wrote:as someone has already pointed above. I think we can summarize it that way. A society got civilized faster than all the other societies in the world. it then decided to document all its religious believes.my issues of contention are as follows:
-According to the Bible, God only did good things only to Jews and caused pain and anger among others like Egyptians and Palestines. Is God unjust and unfair only to love others and hate others?
-For crude oil to form undeneath the earth's surface, it can take upto 1 million years for plant and animal remains to undergo decomopisition and chemical alterations to become crude oil under extreme temperatures. The Biblical story from Adam to the year 2000 is approximately 5000 years!! How comes?
-If going to heaven only happens after you accept Christ Jesus as per the new testament what will happen to Africans who died before Bible things were brought by the white man to Africa?
-How comes most Chinese are pagans or worship funny funny gods but they still progress while Nigeria with very many Christians suffer from very many calamities?
- I believe that God exists, He surely does exist. But these Bible and Quran things, i find them to be the undoings of men who were influential during those times!! Interesting! The oil formed before God decided to create man maybe. Picture a child/toddler, trying to take in an adult's explanation... I bet this is what God, Alpha and Omega, sees when we try 'defining' Him. Is God's one day, similar to our one day? If man can be made in a split second... when sperm gets to ovum, what is crude oil?
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Rank: Member Joined: 10/27/2010 Posts: 266 Location: Nairobi
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UpcomingPaperChaser wrote:How the Bible came about is much political. If you know history well and how Christianity was spread by Catholics between 1 A.D and 1500 A.D you will realize that it was so much politics. For instance when Jesus was crucified with a thief and the people asked who should be crucified, they all said Jesus. Wasn't that democracy? which forms part of politics. I think God's things know no democracy or any such a thing.
About the 'kamkunjis' someone talked about, i think that is his assumption and hypothesis. If God wanted something done, he would'nt convene a Kamkunji of any sort. He would just find his supernatural way out.
The Bible is full of controversies and lies as well. Am a Christian but some things that the Bible teaches are strange. The Bible portrays the Jews as the chosen people by God. Throughout the Bible, we see God only protecting Jews and enabling them win wars against others like Egyptians and Palestines. In the Bible, God commands some of his people to kill Palestines and non-Jews!! All along the Bible its like its only Christians who were created by God, but the rest are satanic people!!! Those were scientifically advanced flesh and blood beings(Elohim): They travelled in flying crafts (Chariots) They demanded fresh food from their worshippers (Sacrifice) They feared contracting diseases from humans (Priests had to cleanse themselves before entering their temples/Lepers were kept out) Leviticus 21: 17 One of them fought with Jacob They had a wicked sense of humor (Abraham's test) They perpetrated genocide (The firstborns of Egypt, Jericho, Sodom/Gomorrah) And the clincher: The" fish" that swallowed Jonah
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2012 Posts: 15,980
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Boris Boyka wrote:UpcomingPaperChaser wrote:as someone has already pointed above. I think we can summarize it that way. A society got civilized faster than all the other societies in the world. it then decided to document all its religious believes.my issues of contention are as follows:
-According to the Bible, God only did good things only to Jews and caused pain and anger among others like Egyptians and Palestines. Is God unjust and unfair only to love others and hate others?
-For crude oil to form undeneath the earth's surface, it can take upto 1 million years for plant and animal remains to undergo decomopisition and chemical alterations to become crude oil under extreme temperatures. The Biblical story from Adam to the year 2000 is approximately 5000 years!! How comes?
-If going to heaven only happens after you accept Christ Jesus as per the new testament what will happen to Africans who died before Bible things were brought by the white man to Africa?
-How comes most Chinese are pagans or worship funny funny gods but they still progress while Nigeria with very many Christians suffer from very many calamities?
- I believe that God exists, He surely does exist. But these Bible and Quran things, i find them to be the undoings of men who were influential during those times!! Interesting! The oil formed before God decided to create man maybe. From my understanding before man was created, there were other beings the bible calls them the "giants". Compared to them man was like a grasshopper. Whenever a generation went wrong with God, he cleared them. Even the African mythology explains there being giants existing. That can explain the fossil fuel (remember even plants etc form fossils). As for millions of years, no one has lived that long to prove that it takes a million years for crude to form. "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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