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Death sentence scrapped
marko
#11 Posted : Tuesday, April 28, 2015 12:08:22 PM
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Swenani wrote:
No one has the right to determine whether or not you will be born and also to decided when you should die,I support life imprisonment instead of death

So if someone raped and strangled to death your young daughter you would still be of the same view?
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Swenani
#12 Posted : Tuesday, April 28, 2015 12:33:25 PM
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marko wrote:
Swenani wrote:
No one has the right to determine whether or not you will be born and also to decided when you should die,I support life imprisonment instead of death

So if someone raped and strangled to death your young daughter you would still be of the same view?


Yes,By having that person killed will make you feel better or raise your young daughter from death?
If Obiero did it, Who Am I?
Muriel
#13 Posted : Tuesday, April 28, 2015 12:37:08 PM
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Swenani wrote:
marko wrote:
Swenani wrote:
No one has the right to determine whether or not you will be born and also to decided when you should die,I support life imprisonment instead of death

So if someone raped and strangled to death your young daughter you would still be of the same view?


Yes,By having that person killed will make you feel better or raise your young daughter from death?


Judgement is not a case of repairing hurt feelings. But yes, it is possible to forgive that much.
marko
#14 Posted : Tuesday, April 28, 2015 12:42:13 PM
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Muriel wrote:
Swenani wrote:
marko wrote:
Swenani wrote:
No one has the right to determine whether or not you will be born and also to decided when you should die,I support life imprisonment instead of death

So if someone raped and strangled to death your young daughter you would still be of the same view?


Yes,By having that person killed will make you feel better or raise your young daughter from death?


Judgement is not a case of repairing hurt feelings. But yes, it is possible to forgive that much.

Just like someone makes a choice to end someones life in the process of violently robbing them so too so should they lose the right to their own life. Why should one be forgiven yet they themselves took a life that was not theirs to take? Those who forgive perpetrators of crimes against their loved ones are the exception and not the norm.
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Muriel
#15 Posted : Tuesday, April 28, 2015 12:46:36 PM
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marko wrote:
Muriel wrote:
Swenani wrote:
marko wrote:
Swenani wrote:
No one has the right to determine whether or not you will be born and also to decided when you should die,I support life imprisonment instead of death

So if someone raped and strangled to death your young daughter you would still be of the same view?


Yes,By having that person killed will make you feel better or raise your young daughter from death?


Judgement is not a case of repairing hurt feelings. But yes, it is possible to forgive that much.

Just like someone makes a choice to end someones life in the process of violently robbing them so too so should they lose the right to their own life. Why should one be forgiven yet they themselves took a life that was not theirs to take? Those who forgive perpetrators of crimes against their loved ones are the exception and not the norm.


Forgiveness is not exclusive of judgement.

It's also still possible to forgive yet the consequences of the action still must be borne.
AlphDoti
#16 Posted : Tuesday, April 28, 2015 12:49:03 PM
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Muriel wrote:
marko wrote:
Muriel wrote:
Swenani wrote:
marko wrote:
Swenani wrote:
No one has the right to determine whether or not you will be born and also to decided when you should die,I support life imprisonment instead of death

So if someone raped and strangled to death your young daughter you would still be of the same view?


Yes,By having that person killed will make you feel better or raise your young daughter from death?

Judgement is not a case of repairing hurt feelings. But yes, it is possible to forgive that much.

Just like someone makes a choice to end someones life in the process of violently robbing them so too so should they lose the right to their own life. Why should one be forgiven yet they themselves took a life that was not theirs to take? Those who forgive perpetrators of crimes against their loved ones are the exception and not the norm.

Forgiveness is not exclusive of judgement.

It's also still possible to forgive yet the consequences of the action still must be borne.

@swenani, so what do you achieve by putting him life imprisonment, will that bring your daughter back?
Muriel
#17 Posted : Tuesday, April 28, 2015 12:56:15 PM
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AlphDoti wrote:
Muriel wrote:
marko wrote:
Muriel wrote:
Swenani wrote:
marko wrote:
Swenani wrote:
No one has the right to determine whether or not you will be born and also to decided when you should die,I support life imprisonment instead of death

So if someone raped and strangled to death your young daughter you would still be of the same view?


Yes,By having that person killed will make you feel better or raise your young daughter from death?

Judgement is not a case of repairing hurt feelings. But yes, it is possible to forgive that much.

Just like someone makes a choice to end someones life in the process of violently robbing them so too so should they lose the right to their own life. Why should one be forgiven yet they themselves took a life that was not theirs to take? Those who forgive perpetrators of crimes against their loved ones are the exception and not the norm.

Forgiveness is not exclusive of judgement.

It's also still possible to forgive yet the consequences of the action still must be borne.

@swenani, so what do you achieve by putting him life imprisonment, will that bring your daughter back?


No it won't. But rehabilitation, the aim, is a victory in itself. It is just like saving another life.
AlphDoti
#18 Posted : Tuesday, April 28, 2015 1:10:47 PM
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Posts: 6,275
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Muriel wrote:
AlphDoti wrote:
Muriel wrote:
marko wrote:
Muriel wrote:
Swenani wrote:
marko wrote:
Swenani wrote:
No one has the right to determine whether or not you will be born and also to decided when you should die,I support life imprisonment instead of death

So if someone raped and strangled to death your young daughter you would still be of the same view?


Yes,By having that person killed will make you feel better or raise your young daughter from death?

Judgement is not a case of repairing hurt feelings. But yes, it is possible to forgive that much.

Just like someone makes a choice to end someones life in the process of violently robbing them so too so should they lose the right to their own life. Why should one be forgiven yet they themselves took a life that was not theirs to take? Those who forgive perpetrators of crimes against their loved ones are the exception and not the norm.

Forgiveness is not exclusive of judgement.

It's also still possible to forgive yet the consequences of the action still must be borne.

@swenani, so what do you achieve by putting him life imprisonment, will that bring your daughter back?

No it won't. But rehabilitation, the aim, is a victory in itself. It is just like saving another life.

Statistics show that most of the offenders have 60% repeat of the same crime. Please google and confirm.
AlphDoti
#19 Posted : Tuesday, April 28, 2015 1:13:08 PM
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I support death sentence criminals: burglar, rapists, terrorist, adultery, corruption, murderer, etc

When the law is applied, you find the society rate of crime drops drastically.

It creates a sense of security within a society. Where people are not obliged to use large locks and steel doors, heavy security, burglar alarms, all these kinds of things, which are prominent in places like our country Kenya and western countries! People live in fear.

So to me, basically, the law is a deterrent. Something to discourage people.

And I agree, people should be present to observe it.
It is not for entertainment in public. But for them to see the law and application. The sight of it helps to enforce in the minds of the people the laws are being applied and we should avoid these kinds of crimes.

And a result of that you find that the rate of this crime is quite low in general in countries where strict law is applied without compromise.
Muriel
#20 Posted : Tuesday, April 28, 2015 1:16:09 PM
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Posts: 3,142
AlphDoti wrote:
Muriel wrote:
AlphDoti wrote:
Muriel wrote:
marko wrote:
Muriel wrote:
Swenani wrote:
marko wrote:
Swenani wrote:
No one has the right to determine whether or not you will be born and also to decided when you should die,I support life imprisonment instead of death

So if someone raped and strangled to death your young daughter you would still be of the same view?


Yes,By having that person killed will make you feel better or raise your young daughter from death?

Judgement is not a case of repairing hurt feelings. But yes, it is possible to forgive that much.

Just like someone makes a choice to end someones life in the process of violently robbing them so too so should they lose the right to their own life. Why should one be forgiven yet they themselves took a life that was not theirs to take? Those who forgive perpetrators of crimes against their loved ones are the exception and not the norm.

Forgiveness is not exclusive of judgement.

It's also still possible to forgive yet the consequences of the action still must be borne.

@swenani, so what do you achieve by putting him life imprisonment, will that bring your daughter back?

No it won't. But rehabilitation, the aim, is a victory in itself. It is just like saving another life.

Statistics show that most of the offenders have 60% repeat of the same crime. Please google and confirm.


Regardless, those of the remaining 40% must be very thankful in thought, word and action that they were given a shot at rehabilitation.
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