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masukuma
#11 Posted : Monday, April 27, 2015 3:09:58 PM
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AlphDoti wrote:
tycho wrote:
I think the question should be why some books were not included in the Bible rather than the other way round.

The answer is because some books didn't meet the mythical requirements of the compilers.

The other question would be, why CHOOSE between "God-inspired" the BOOKS in the first place?

I think I explained that! read my comments/post
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tycho
#12 Posted : Monday, April 27, 2015 3:31:42 PM
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AlphDoti wrote:
tycho wrote:
I think the question should be why some books were not included in the Bible rather than the other way round.

The answer is because some books didn't meet the mythical requirements of the compilers.

The other question would be, why CHOOSE between "God-inspired" the BOOKS in the first place?


Humanity is always a matter of choice, and God is an experience that can only be objectified in a myth. And there's no end to mythology.
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symbols
#13 Posted : Monday, April 27, 2015 3:32:15 PM
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murchr wrote:
Why were some books taken off? Not the Catholic books but..... The Gospel of Judas, The book of Enoch..can someone explain this
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Wickedness in the World

...When human beings began to increase in number on the earth and daughters were born to them, 2 the sons of God saw that the daughters of humans were beautiful, and they married any of them they chose. 3 Then the Lord said, “My Spirit will not contend with[a] humans forever, for they are mortal[b]; their days will be a hundred and twenty years.” 4 The Nephilim were on the earth in those days—and also afterward—when the sons of God went to the daughters of humans and had children by them. They were the heroes of old, men of renown.


Testing the Gospel of Judas

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murchr
#14 Posted : Monday, April 27, 2015 5:16:15 PM
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I think the early church wanted to pass a certain story and anything that contradicted it was deleted and called un inspired.
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Kusadikika
#15 Posted : Monday, April 27, 2015 8:18:33 PM
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The discussions that eventually led to what was included and not included in the bible were determined in large meetings of the church called ecumenical councils. These meetings were like the Bomas meetings that debated the constitution of Kenya. Delegates (Bishops) would come from all the churches in the Roman Empire and seek to come to a consensus on issues. Just as it happened in Bomas, there were many factions and differing opinions. Each of those meetings produced a set of things that had been agreed upon which the delegates took back to their churches as the truth. Of course for everything that was agreed upon there were dissenters who disagreed and they would form sects that disagreed with the rest. The first council was held in Nicaea in 325 AD under the Emperor Constantine. The Bible is a product of agreements in such Kamukunjis though I cannot tell you which one. There were very many over hundreds of years and of different churches as they split.
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AlphDoti
#16 Posted : Monday, April 27, 2015 8:47:10 PM
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I like the open mindedness in this. Where are kina @muriel & @symbols, to read the issues being discussed smile
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murchr
#17 Posted : Monday, April 27, 2015 8:48:49 PM
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Kusadikika wrote:
The discussions that eventually led to what was included and not included in the bible were determined in large meetings of the church called ecumenical councils. These meetings were like the Bomas meetings that debated the constitution of Kenya. Delegates (Bishops) would come from all the churches in the Roman Empire and seek to come to a consensus on issues. Just as it happened in Bomas, there were many factions and differing opinions. Each of those meetings produced a set of things that had been agreed upon which the delegates took back to their churches as the truth. Of course for everything that was agreed upon there were dissenters who disagreed and they would form sects that disagreed with the rest. The first council was held in Nicaea in 325 AD under the Emperor Constantine. The Bible is a product of agreements in such Kamukunjis though I cannot tell you which one. There were very many over hundreds of years and of different churches as they split.


Was the church in Ethiopia invited to these kamukunjis? What about the Jews and Muslim. Rem the old testament text & the koran dont differ much.

Another thing, why did they take off the Gospel of Mary? Is it because they dint want to include women in the church?
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UpcomingPaperChaser
#18 Posted : Monday, April 27, 2015 9:06:10 PM
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How the Bible came about is much political. If you know history well and how Christianity was spread by Catholics between 1 A.D and 1500 A.D you will realize that it was so much politics. For instance when Jesus was crucified with a thief and the people asked who should be crucified, they all said Jesus. Wasn't that democracy? which forms part of politics. I think God's things know no democracy or any such a thing.

About the 'kamkunjis' someone talked about, i think that is his assumption and hypothesis. If God wanted something done, he would'nt convene a Kamkunji of any sort. He would just find his supernatural way out.

The Bible is full of controversies and lies as well. Am a Christian but some things that the Bible teaches are strange. The Bible portrays the Jews as the chosen people by God. Throughout the Bible, we see God only protecting Jews and enabling them win wars against others like Egyptians and Palestines. In the Bible, God commands some of his people to kill Palestines and non-Jews!! All along the Bible its like its only Christians who were created by God, but the rest are satanic people!!!
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Tara
#19 Posted : Monday, April 27, 2015 9:20:47 PM
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murchr wrote:
I agree masukush, even Paul quotes the book of Enoch when he tells Christian women to cover their heads because of the angels. Genesis 6 tells of what the book of Enoch is about. Adam and Eve had sons, where did the women come from?


The same place Mumbi and Gikuyu's daughter got husbands. smile
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Kusadikika
#20 Posted : Monday, April 27, 2015 9:23:17 PM
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murchr wrote:
Kusadikika wrote:
The discussions that eventually led to what was included and not included in the bible were determined in large meetings of the church called ecumenical councils. These meetings were like the Bomas meetings that debated the constitution of Kenya. Delegates (Bishops) would come from all the churches in the Roman Empire and seek to come to a consensus on issues. Just as it happened in Bomas, there were many factions and differing opinions. Each of those meetings produced a set of things that had been agreed upon which the delegates took back to their churches as the truth. Of course for everything that was agreed upon there were dissenters who disagreed and they would form sects that disagreed with the rest. The first council was held in Nicaea in 325 AD under the Emperor Constantine. The Bible is a product of agreements in such Kamukunjis though I cannot tell you which one. There were very many over hundreds of years and of different churches as they split.


Was the church in Ethiopia invited to these kamukunjis? What about the Jews and Muslim. Rem the old testament text & the koran dont differ much.

Another thing, why did they take off the Gospel of Mary? Is it because they dint want to include women in the church?



Remember the first of these meetings was convened by Emperor Constantine in 325 AD so it only included Bishops from within the Roman Empire, Ethiopia was not in the empire.
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