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Why were some books taken off? Not the Catholic books but..... The Gospel of Judas, The book of Enoch..can someone explain this Genesis 6 wrote:Wickedness in the World
...When human beings began to increase in number on the earth and daughters were born to them, 2 the sons of God saw that the daughters of humans were beautiful, and they married any of them they chose. 3 Then the Lord said, “My Spirit will not contend with[a] humans forever, for they are mortal[b]; their days will be a hundred and twenty years.” 4 The Nephilim were on the earth in those days—and also afterward—when the sons of God went to the daughters of humans and had children by them. They were the heroes of old, men of renown. "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/3/2008 Posts: 4,057 Location: Gwitu
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murchr wrote:Why were some books taken off? Not the Catholic books but..... The Gospel of Judas, The book of Enoch..can someone explain this Genesis 6 wrote:Wickedness in the World
...When human beings began to increase in number on the earth and daughters were born to them, 2 the sons of God saw that the daughters of humans were beautiful, and they married any of them they chose. 3 Then the Lord said, “My Spirit will not contend with[a] humans forever, for they are mortal[b]; their days will be a hundred and twenty years.” 4 The Nephilim were on the earth in those days—and also afterward—when the sons of God went to the daughters of humans and had children by them. They were the heroes of old, men of renown. Which are the Catholic books or are you referring to Apocrypha? You are inviting religious contest already! Truth forever on the scaffold
Wrong forever on the throne
(James Russell Rowell)
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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I think the question should be why some books were not included in the Bible rather than the other way round.
The answer is because some books didn't meet the mythical requirements of the compilers.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2012 Posts: 15,980
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kaka2za wrote:murchr wrote:Why were some books taken off? Not the Catholic books but..... The Gospel of Judas, The book of Enoch..can someone explain this Genesis 6 wrote:Wickedness in the World
...When human beings began to increase in number on the earth and daughters were born to them, 2 the sons of God saw that the daughters of humans were beautiful, and they married any of them they chose. 3 Then the Lord said, “My Spirit will not contend with[a] humans forever, for they are mortal[b]; their days will be a hundred and twenty years.” 4 The Nephilim were on the earth in those days—and also afterward—when the sons of God went to the daughters of humans and had children by them. They were the heroes of old, men of renown. Which are the Catholic books or are you referring to Apocrypha? You are inviting religious contest already! I said Not the catholic books, Gospel of Mary, Thomas and the above examples "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/4/2006 Posts: 13,822 Location: Nairobi
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well the scriptures must tell a story and a coherent one! in the early church there were all manner of writings. Gnostic writings, debates about "who Jesus" is. These debates linger until today. So under Constantinople (the first roman emperor to be a christian) there was a need to 'uniformize' the story - especially if it was to be the official Roman religion and as it did spread to the rest of the world and the story is this Quote:
We believe in one God, the Father Almighty, Maker of heaven and earth, and of all things visible and invisible.
And in one Lord Jesus Christ, the only-begotten Son of God, begotten of the Father before all worlds , Light of Light, very God of very God, begotten, not made, being of one substance with the Father;
by whom all things were made;
who for us men, and for our salvation, came down from heaven, and was incarnate by the Holy Spirit of the Virgin Mary, and was made man;
he was crucified for us under Pontius Pilate, and suffered, and was buried, and the third day he rose again, according to the Scriptures, and ascended into heaven, and sitteth on the right hand of the Father;
from thence he shall come again, with glory, to judge the quick and the dead. ;
whose kingdom shall have no end.
And in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, the Giver of life, Who proceeds from the Father, Who together with the Father and Son is worshipped and glorified, and Who spoke from the prophets.
In One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church, we acknowledge One Baptism for the forgiveness of sins, the resurrection of the dead and of the age to come. Amen.
That's the story (my story) and they are (i am) sticking to it! that is the 'inspire-ometer' to decide what writings are 'inspired' and which are not! All books that did not comply or confused this story were thrown out (burned?) and so many of the Gnostic gospels Gospels of XYZ or Gospel according to XYZ were thrown out. Perhaps we need to ask ourselves the following question - do we really think Peter wrote just 2 letters? Andrew? all those James'? Thomas? all those others like Simon the zealot wrote nothing? no account? By the way some of their writings are still in the scriptures - the books of Enoch for example (claims are they are not exactly enoch's writtings but writtings about enoch) have found their way in kawaida texts coz Jude even quotes from them) or is it that both Jude and the Books of enoch quote from another writing? hmm? All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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He he. My ancestors gospel is missing. Which powerful guy should we petition? work to prosper
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Rank: Elder Joined: 1/21/2010 Posts: 6,675 Location: Nairobi
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murchr wrote:Why were some books taken off? Not the Catholic books but..... The Gospel of Judas, The book of Enoch..can someone explain this Genesis 6 wrote:Wickedness in the World
...When human beings began to increase in number on the earth and daughters were born to them, 2 the sons of God saw that the daughters of humans were beautiful, and they married any of them they chose. 3 Then the Lord said, “My Spirit will not contend with[a] humans forever, for they are mortal[b]; their days will be a hundred and twenty years.” 4 The Nephilim were on the earth in those days—and also afterward—when the sons of God went to the daughters of humans and had children by them. They were the heroes of old, men of renown. The books that were taken off contradicted the the books that were included. Eg. The Gospel according to Judas and the Gospel according to Barnabas mention Judas replacing Jesus on the cross. Mark 12:29
Deuteronomy 4:16
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/4/2006 Posts: 13,822 Location: Nairobi
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murchr wrote:Why were some books taken off? Not the Catholic books but..... The Gospel of Judas, The book of Enoch..can someone explain this Genesis 6 wrote:Wickedness in the World
...When human beings began to increase in number on the earth and daughters were born to them, 2 the sons of God saw that the daughters of humans were beautiful, and they married any of them they chose. 3 Then the Lord said, “My Spirit will not contend with[a] humans forever, for they are mortal; their days will be a hundred and twenty years.” 4 The Nephilim were on the earth in those days—and also afterward—when the [b]sons of God went to the daughters of humans and had children by them. They were the heroes of old, men of renown.  All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2012 Posts: 15,980
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I agree masukush, even Paul quotes the book of Enoch when he tells Christian women to cover their heads because of the angels. Genesis 6 tells of what the book of Enoch is about. Adam and Eve had sons, where did the women come from? "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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tycho wrote:I think the question should be why some books were not included in the Bible rather than the other way round.
The answer is because some books didn't meet the mythical requirements of the compilers. The other question would be, why CHOOSE between "God-inspired" the BOOKS in the first place?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/4/2006 Posts: 13,822 Location: Nairobi
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AlphDoti wrote:tycho wrote:I think the question should be why some books were not included in the Bible rather than the other way round.
The answer is because some books didn't meet the mythical requirements of the compilers. The other question would be, why CHOOSE between "God-inspired" the BOOKS in the first place? I think I explained that! read my comments/post All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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AlphDoti wrote:tycho wrote:I think the question should be why some books were not included in the Bible rather than the other way round.
The answer is because some books didn't meet the mythical requirements of the compilers. The other question would be, why CHOOSE between "God-inspired" the BOOKS in the first place? Humanity is always a matter of choice, and God is an experience that can only be objectified in a myth. And there's no end to mythology.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/19/2013 Posts: 2,552
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murchr wrote:Why were some books taken off? Not the Catholic books but..... The Gospel of Judas, The book of Enoch..can someone explain this Genesis 6 wrote:Wickedness in the World
...When human beings began to increase in number on the earth and daughters were born to them, 2 the sons of God saw that the daughters of humans were beautiful, and they married any of them they chose. 3 Then the Lord said, “My Spirit will not contend with[a] humans forever, for they are mortal[b]; their days will be a hundred and twenty years.” 4 The Nephilim were on the earth in those days—and also afterward—when the sons of God went to the daughters of humans and had children by them. They were the heroes of old, men of renown. Testing the Gospel of Judas The Canon of Scripture
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2012 Posts: 15,980
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I think the early church wanted to pass a certain story and anything that contradicted it was deleted and called un inspired. "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/22/2008 Posts: 2,716
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The discussions that eventually led to what was included and not included in the bible were determined in large meetings of the church called ecumenical councils. These meetings were like the Bomas meetings that debated the constitution of Kenya. Delegates (Bishops) would come from all the churches in the Roman Empire and seek to come to a consensus on issues. Just as it happened in Bomas, there were many factions and differing opinions. Each of those meetings produced a set of things that had been agreed upon which the delegates took back to their churches as the truth. Of course for everything that was agreed upon there were dissenters who disagreed and they would form sects that disagreed with the rest. The first council was held in Nicaea in 325 AD under the Emperor Constantine. The Bible is a product of agreements in such Kamukunjis though I cannot tell you which one. There were very many over hundreds of years and of different churches as they split.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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I like the open mindedness in this. Where are kina @muriel & @symbols, to read the issues being discussed 
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2012 Posts: 15,980
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Kusadikika wrote:The discussions that eventually led to what was included and not included in the bible were determined in large meetings of the church called ecumenical councils. These meetings were like the Bomas meetings that debated the constitution of Kenya. Delegates (Bishops) would come from all the churches in the Roman Empire and seek to come to a consensus on issues. Just as it happened in Bomas, there were many factions and differing opinions. Each of those meetings produced a set of things that had been agreed upon which the delegates took back to their churches as the truth. Of course for everything that was agreed upon there were dissenters who disagreed and they would form sects that disagreed with the rest. The first council was held in Nicaea in 325 AD under the Emperor Constantine. The Bible is a product of agreements in such Kamukunjis though I cannot tell you which one. There were very many over hundreds of years and of different churches as they split. Was the church in Ethiopia invited to these kamukunjis? What about the Jews and Muslim. Rem the old testament text & the koran dont differ much. Another thing, why did they take off the Gospel of Mary? Is it because they dint want to include women in the church? "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Rank: Member Joined: 1/20/2015 Posts: 489 Location: Nairobi
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How the Bible came about is much political. If you know history well and how Christianity was spread by Catholics between 1 A.D and 1500 A.D you will realize that it was so much politics. For instance when Jesus was crucified with a thief and the people asked who should be crucified, they all said Jesus. Wasn't that democracy? which forms part of politics. I think God's things know no democracy or any such a thing. About the 'kamkunjis' someone talked about, i think that is his assumption and hypothesis. If God wanted something done, he would'nt convene a Kamkunji of any sort. He would just find his supernatural way out. The Bible is full of controversies and lies as well. Am a Christian but some things that the Bible teaches are strange. The Bible portrays the Jews as the chosen people by God. Throughout the Bible, we see God only protecting Jews and enabling them win wars against others like Egyptians and Palestines. In the Bible, God commands some of his people to kill Palestines and non-Jews!! All along the Bible its like its only Christians who were created by God, but the rest are satanic people!!! Enjoy every moment of your life, you never know when your time will come.
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murchr wrote:I agree masukush, even Paul quotes the book of Enoch when he tells Christian women to cover their heads because of the angels. Genesis 6 tells of what the book of Enoch is about. Adam and Eve had sons, where did the women come from? The same place Mumbi and Gikuyu's daughter got husbands.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/22/2008 Posts: 2,716
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murchr wrote:Kusadikika wrote:The discussions that eventually led to what was included and not included in the bible were determined in large meetings of the church called ecumenical councils. These meetings were like the Bomas meetings that debated the constitution of Kenya. Delegates (Bishops) would come from all the churches in the Roman Empire and seek to come to a consensus on issues. Just as it happened in Bomas, there were many factions and differing opinions. Each of those meetings produced a set of things that had been agreed upon which the delegates took back to their churches as the truth. Of course for everything that was agreed upon there were dissenters who disagreed and they would form sects that disagreed with the rest. The first council was held in Nicaea in 325 AD under the Emperor Constantine. The Bible is a product of agreements in such Kamukunjis though I cannot tell you which one. There were very many over hundreds of years and of different churches as they split. Was the church in Ethiopia invited to these kamukunjis? What about the Jews and Muslim. Rem the old testament text & the koran dont differ much. Another thing, why did they take off the Gospel of Mary? Is it because they dint want to include women in the church? Remember the first of these meetings was convened by Emperor Constantine in 325 AD so it only included Bishops from within the Roman Empire, Ethiopia was not in the empire.
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