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The Bible (For discussion purposes no religion contest)
murchr
#1 Posted : Monday, April 27, 2015 5:52:39 AM
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Why were some books taken off? Not the Catholic books but..... The Gospel of Judas, The book of Enoch..can someone explain this
Genesis 6 wrote:
Wickedness in the World

...When human beings began to increase in number on the earth and daughters were born to them, 2 the sons of God saw that the daughters of humans were beautiful, and they married any of them they chose. 3 Then the Lord said, “My Spirit will not contend with[a] humans forever, for they are mortal[b]; their days will be a hundred and twenty years.” 4 The Nephilim were on the earth in those days—and also afterward—when the sons of God went to the daughters of humans and had children by them. They were the heroes of old, men of renown.
"There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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kaka2za
#2 Posted : Monday, April 27, 2015 7:34:33 AM
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murchr wrote:
Why were some books taken off? Not the Catholic books but..... The Gospel of Judas, The book of Enoch..can someone explain this
Genesis 6 wrote:
Wickedness in the World

...When human beings began to increase in number on the earth and daughters were born to them, 2 the sons of God saw that the daughters of humans were beautiful, and they married any of them they chose. 3 Then the Lord said, “My Spirit will not contend with[a] humans forever, for they are mortal[b]; their days will be a hundred and twenty years.” 4 The Nephilim were on the earth in those days—and also afterward—when the sons of God went to the daughters of humans and had children by them. They were the heroes of old, men of renown.


Which are the Catholic books or are you referring to Apocrypha? You are inviting religious contest already!
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Wrong forever on the throne
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tycho
#3 Posted : Monday, April 27, 2015 12:06:26 PM
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I think the question should be why some books were not included in the Bible rather than the other way round.

The answer is because some books didn't meet the mythical requirements of the compilers.
murchr
#4 Posted : Monday, April 27, 2015 12:34:47 PM
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kaka2za wrote:
murchr wrote:
Why were some books taken off? Not the Catholic books but..... The Gospel of Judas, The book of Enoch..can someone explain this
Genesis 6 wrote:
Wickedness in the World

...When human beings began to increase in number on the earth and daughters were born to them, 2 the sons of God saw that the daughters of humans were beautiful, and they married any of them they chose. 3 Then the Lord said, “My Spirit will not contend with[a] humans forever, for they are mortal[b]; their days will be a hundred and twenty years.” 4 The Nephilim were on the earth in those days—and also afterward—when the sons of God went to the daughters of humans and had children by them. They were the heroes of old, men of renown.


Which are the Catholic books or are you referring to Apocrypha? You are inviting religious contest already!


I said Not the catholic books, Gospel of Mary, Thomas and the above examples
"There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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masukuma
#5 Posted : Monday, April 27, 2015 1:05:09 PM
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well the scriptures must tell a story and a coherent one! in the early church there were all manner of writings. Gnostic writings, debates about "who Jesus" is. These debates linger until today. So under Constantinople (the first roman emperor to be a christian) there was a need to 'uniformize' the story - especially if it was to be the official Roman religion and as it did spread to the rest of the world and the story is this
Quote:

We believe in one God, the Father Almighty, Maker of heaven and earth, and of all things visible and invisible.
And in one Lord Jesus Christ, the only-begotten Son of God, begotten of the Father before all worlds , Light of Light, very God of very God, begotten, not made, being of one substance with the Father;
by whom all things were made;
who for us men, and for our salvation, came down from heaven, and was incarnate by the Holy Spirit of the Virgin Mary, and was made man;
he was crucified for us under Pontius Pilate, and suffered, and was buried, and the third day he rose again, according to the Scriptures, and ascended into heaven, and sitteth on the right hand of the Father;
from thence he shall come again, with glory, to judge the quick and the dead. ;
whose kingdom shall have no end.
And in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, the Giver of life, Who proceeds from the Father, Who together with the Father and Son is worshipped and glorified, and Who spoke from the prophets.
In One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church, we acknowledge One Baptism for the forgiveness of sins, the resurrection of the dead and of the age to come. Amen.

That's the story (my story) and they are (i am) sticking to it! that is the 'inspire-ometer' to decide what writings are 'inspired' and which are not!

All books that did not comply or confused this story were thrown out (burned?) and so many of the Gnostic gospels Gospels of XYZ or Gospel according to XYZ were thrown out. Perhaps we need to ask ourselves the following question - do we really think Peter wrote just 2 letters? Andrew? all those James'? Thomas? all those others like Simon the zealot wrote nothing? no account?

By the way some of their writings are still in the scriptures - the books of Enoch for example (claims are they are not exactly enoch's writtings but writtings about enoch) have found their way in kawaida texts coz Jude even quotes from them) or is it that both Jude and the Books of enoch quote from another writing? hmm?
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Tokyo
#6 Posted : Monday, April 27, 2015 1:10:28 PM
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He he. My ancestors gospel is missing. Which powerful guy should we petition?
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guru267
#7 Posted : Monday, April 27, 2015 1:14:57 PM
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murchr wrote:
Why were some books taken off? Not the Catholic books but..... The Gospel of Judas, The book of Enoch..can someone explain this
Genesis 6 wrote:
Wickedness in the World

...When human beings began to increase in number on the earth and daughters were born to them, 2 the sons of God saw that the daughters of humans were beautiful, and they married any of them they chose. 3 Then the Lord said, “My Spirit will not contend with[a] humans forever, for they are mortal[b]; their days will be a hundred and twenty years.” 4 The Nephilim were on the earth in those days—and also afterward—when the sons of God went to the daughters of humans and had children by them. They were the heroes of old, men of renown.


The books that were taken off contradicted the the books that were included.

Eg. The Gospel according to Judas and the Gospel according to Barnabas mention Judas replacing Jesus on the cross.
Mark 12:29
Deuteronomy 4:16
masukuma
#8 Posted : Monday, April 27, 2015 1:19:17 PM
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murchr wrote:
Why were some books taken off? Not the Catholic books but..... The Gospel of Judas, The book of Enoch..can someone explain this
Genesis 6 wrote:
Wickedness in the World

...When human beings began to increase in number on the earth and daughters were born to them, 2 the sons of God saw that the daughters of humans were beautiful, and they married any of them they chose. 3 Then the Lord said, “My Spirit will not contend with[a] humans forever, for they are mortal; their days will be a hundred and twenty years.” 4 The Nephilim were on the earth in those days—and also afterward—when the [b]sons of God went to the daughters of humans and had children by them. They were the heroes of old, men of renown.

All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
murchr
#9 Posted : Monday, April 27, 2015 1:20:39 PM
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I agree masukush, even Paul quotes the book of Enoch when he tells Christian women to cover their heads because of the angels. Genesis 6 tells of what the book of Enoch is about. Adam and Eve had sons, where did the women come from?
"There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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AlphDoti
#10 Posted : Monday, April 27, 2015 2:54:46 PM
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tycho wrote:
I think the question should be why some books were not included in the Bible rather than the other way round.

The answer is because some books didn't meet the mythical requirements of the compilers.

The other question would be, why CHOOSE between "God-inspired" the BOOKS in the first place?
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