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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/23/2008 Posts: 3,966
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AlphDoti wrote:Jus Blazin wrote:Jus Blazin wrote:AlphDoti wrote:Jus Blazin wrote:Is Sharia Law in the Quran? The Quran is the sharia. Quote:Sharia law is Islam's legal system. It is derived from both the Quran (the word of God), the Sunnah (example of the life of the prophet Muhammad), and fatwas (the rulings of Islamic scholars). So Sharia law is man made, no? Otherwise it should be purely based on Quran. Sindio? ???  In Islam, the words of God and prophet have been separated. There are two authentic sources of Islam are the Quran, which is 100% the Word of God and the authentic Hadith, which is the words, saying and tradition of the prophet Muhammad (pbuh). So the Quran will never contradict itself. Nor will authentic hadith contradict itself. Neither will these two authentic sources contradict each other. In the contrary, the Bible is a mixture of all... the words of God, of the prophets, and of historians. So what is the difference? If the Quran is the Sharia, and Sharia is a mixture of Quran, hadiths and Fatwas? And the Bible is a mixture of all...  Luck is when Preparation meets Opportunity. ~ Lucius Annaeus Seneca
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Rank: Elder Joined: 1/21/2010 Posts: 6,675 Location: Nairobi
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symbols wrote:According to the Quran: 1.Jesus is a man created to be a prophet of Allah. guru267 wrote:John 6:14 wrote:When the people saw him do this miraculous sign, they exclaimed, "Surely, he is the Prophet we have been expecting!" Matthew 16:16-17 - Simon Peter answered, "You are the Messiah, the Son of the living God." Jesus replied, "Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah, for this was not revealed to you by flesh and blood, but by my Father in heaven. 2.He was the nephew of Aaron because Mary was his sister. guru267 wrote:- Mary was a descendant of Aaron. Please use understanding Quran 19:27-28 - Then she brought him to her people, carrying him. They said, "O Mary, you have certainly done a thing unprecedented.O sister of Aaron, your father was not a man of evil, nor was your mother unchaste." 3.He is not the son of Allah and it's an unforgivable sin to believe that he is. guru267 wrote:Matthew 26:63-64 wrote:The high priest said to him, “I charge you under oath by the living God: Tell us if you are the Son of God.”
“It is you that says so,” Jesus replied. “But I say to all of you: From now on you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of the Mighty One and coming on the clouds of heaven. Matthew 16:16-17 4.He didn't die on the cross for our sins and the resurrection never happened. guru267 wrote:Hebrews 5:7 wrote:While Jesus was here on earth, he offered prayers and pleadings, with a loud cry and tears, to the one who could rescue him from death. And God heard his prayers because of his deep reverence for the Almighty Allah deceived people that Jesus was crucified. Quran 4:157 - And [for] their saying, "Indeed, we have killed the Messiah, Jesus, the son of Mary, the messenger of Allah ." And they did not kill him, nor did they crucify him; but [another] was made to resemble him to them. And indeed, those who differ over it are in doubt about it. They have no knowledge of it except the following of assumption. And they did not kill him, for certain. 5.He doesn't offer salvation from sin. guru267 wrote:- Messiah means saviour and the Quran refers to him as Messiah and hadith say when he returns sin will be removed from the world!
The Muslim Messiah doesn't offer salvation from sin.Quote the Quran or Hadith. 6.He called people to worship Allah not Yahweh. guru267 wrote:Mark 12:29 wrote:The most important commandment,” answered Jesus, “is this: ‘Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God is one Allah is not Yahweh and the Muslim Messiah called people to worship Allah. symbols wrote:
The purpose and nature of Jesus Christ as per the Bible,is explicitly rejected in the Quran.
^^^ It is easier than showing what I've said is false or inaccurate. Clearly there is a reasoning problem here! I guess if Mary is the literal sister of Aaron then Jesus is the literal son of David as mentioned in the Bible... I honestly thought you had intellect but now you are just writing like a cornered rat Mark 12:29
Deuteronomy 4:16
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Rank: Elder Joined: 1/21/2010 Posts: 6,675 Location: Nairobi
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@symbols if the Messiah of the Bible is not the Messiah of the Quran then the Gospel of the Bible cannot be the Injeel of the Quran... Question: What do Swahili speaking Christian believers call the Gospel of Jesus Christ? Answer:...................  Mark 12:29
Deuteronomy 4:16
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/19/2013 Posts: 2,552
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guru267 wrote:@symbols if the Messiah of the Bible is not the Messiah of the Quran then the Gospel of the Bible cannot be the Injeel of the Quran... Question: What do Swahili speaking Christian believers call the Gospel of Jesus Christ? Answer:................... Injili.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/19/2013 Posts: 2,552
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guru267 wrote:symbols wrote:According to the Quran: 1.Jesus is a man created to be a prophet of Allah. guru267 wrote:John 6:14 wrote:When the people saw him do this miraculous sign, they exclaimed, "Surely, he is the Prophet we have been expecting!" Matthew 16:16-17 - Simon Peter answered, "You are the Messiah, the Son of the living God." Jesus replied, "Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah, for this was not revealed to you by flesh and blood, but by my Father in heaven. 2.He was the nephew of Aaron because Mary was his sister. guru267 wrote:- Mary was a descendant of Aaron. Please use understanding Quran 19:27-28 - Then she brought him to her people, carrying him. They said, "O Mary, you have certainly done a thing unprecedented.O sister of Aaron, your father was not a man of evil, nor was your mother unchaste." 3.He is not the son of Allah and it's an unforgivable sin to believe that he is. guru267 wrote:Matthew 26:63-64 wrote:The high priest said to him, “I charge you under oath by the living God: Tell us if you are the Son of God.”
“It is you that says so,” Jesus replied. “But I say to all of you: From now on you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of the Mighty One and coming on the clouds of heaven. Matthew 16:16-17 4.He didn't die on the cross for our sins and the resurrection never happened. guru267 wrote:Hebrews 5:7 wrote:While Jesus was here on earth, he offered prayers and pleadings, with a loud cry and tears, to the one who could rescue him from death. And God heard his prayers because of his deep reverence for the Almighty Allah deceived people that Jesus was crucified. Quran 4:157 - And [for] their saying, "Indeed, we have killed the Messiah, Jesus, the son of Mary, the messenger of Allah ." And they did not kill him, nor did they crucify him; but [another] was made to resemble him to them. And indeed, those who differ over it are in doubt about it. They have no knowledge of it except the following of assumption. And they did not kill him, for certain. 5.He doesn't offer salvation from sin. guru267 wrote:- Messiah means saviour and the Quran refers to him as Messiah and hadith say when he returns sin will be removed from the world!
The Muslim Messiah doesn't offer salvation from sin.Quote the Quran or Hadith. 6.He called people to worship Allah not Yahweh. guru267 wrote:Mark 12:29 wrote:The most important commandment,” answered Jesus, “is this: ‘Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God is one Allah is not Yahweh and the Muslim Messiah called people to worship Allah. symbols wrote:
The purpose and nature of Jesus Christ as per the Bible,is explicitly rejected in the Quran.
^^^ It is easier than showing what I've said is false or inaccurate. Clearly there is a reasoning problem here! I guess if Mary is the literal sister of Aaron then Jesus is the literal son of David as mentioned in the Bible... I honestly thought you had intellect but now you are just writing like a cornered rat My intellect has nothing to do with Allah's words or his Messiah.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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Lolest! wrote:Impunity wrote:AlphDoti wrote:Makali1 wrote:At the end of it all, we are saved not by our works but by having FAITH in the Lord Jesus Christ as our personal Savior.
There's no other way to God except through Jesus Christ. That is nothing but the Truth! @makali Jesus was never on the cross. Someone else was put in the place of Jesus for death by God. You cannot betray one of God's greatest messengers and get away! Most of the Christians, almost all believe that Jesus Christ (pbuh) is Almighty God. Does God die? Is God killed by His own creation? Does God die to forgive, why can't he just forgive? If he died, who controlled the world for three days? Sssa tumerudi kwa religious discourse! Can God do anything? can God become man? Can the man God die in flesh? @impunity, sure indeed we are back here. @Lolest! God does not do non-Godly things  Just imagine a God who dies? Just imagine a God being whiped by some mortal man! Just imagine a God being wrapped in diapers! Just imagine a God breast feeding! Just imagine a God going to the toilet to defacate! Just imagine God looking for food and finds a tree has no fruits, he curses the tree to dry up! No! No! Brother, God is far beyond these allegations. Look at description of God in Quran Chapter 112:1-4 Sura Al-Ikhlas - The Purity of Faith In the name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful. 1. Say: He is Allah, the One and Only; 2. Allah, the Eternal, Absolute; 3. He begetteth not, nor is He begotten; 4. And there is none like unto Him.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/18/2011 Posts: 12,069 Location: Kianjokoma
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AlphDoti wrote:Lolest! wrote:Impunity wrote:AlphDoti wrote:Makali1 wrote:At the end of it all, we are saved not by our works but by having FAITH in the Lord Jesus Christ as our personal Savior.
There's no other way to God except through Jesus Christ. That is nothing but the Truth! @makali Jesus was never on the cross. Someone else was put in the place of Jesus for death by God. You cannot betray one of God's greatest messengers and get away! Most of the Christians, almost all believe that Jesus Christ (pbuh) is Almighty God. Does God die? Is God killed by His own creation? Does God die to forgive, why can't he just forgive? If he died, who controlled the world for three days? Sssa tumerudi kwa religious discourse! Can God do anything? can God become man? Can the man God die in flesh? @impunity, sure indeed we are back here. @Lolest! God does not do non-Godly things Just imagine a God who dies? Just imagine a God being whiped by some mortal man! Just imagine a God being wrapped in diapers! Just imagine a God breast feeding! Just imagine a God going to the toilet to defacate! Just imagine God looking for food and finds a tree has no fruits, he curses the tree to dry up! No! No! Brother, God is far beyond these allegations. Look at description of God in Quran Chapter 112:1-4 Sura Al-Ikhlas - The Purity of Faith In the name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful. 1. Say: He is Allah, the One and Only; 2. Allah, the Eternal, Absolute; 3. He begetteth not, nor is He begotten; 4. And there is none like unto Him. The new issue here is: Is Allah God?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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Lolest! wrote:AlphDoti wrote:Lolest! wrote:Impunity wrote:AlphDoti wrote:Makali1 wrote:At the end of it all, we are saved not by our works but by having FAITH in the Lord Jesus Christ as our personal Savior.
There's no other way to God except through Jesus Christ. That is nothing but the Truth! @makali Jesus was never on the cross. Someone else was put in the place of Jesus for death by God. You cannot betray one of God's greatest messengers and get away! Most of the Christians, almost all believe that Jesus Christ (pbuh) is Almighty God. Does God die? Is God killed by His own creation? Does God die to forgive, why can't he just forgive? If he died, who controlled the world for three days? Sssa tumerudi kwa religious discourse! Can God do anything? can God become man? Can the man God die in flesh? @impunity, sure indeed we are back here. @Lolest! God does not do non-Godly things Just imagine a God who dies? Just imagine a God being whiped by some mortal man! Just imagine a God being wrapped in diapers! Just imagine a God breast feeding! Just imagine a God going to the toilet to defacate! Just imagine God looking for food and finds a tree has no fruits, he curses the tree to dry up! No! No! Brother, God is far beyond these allegations. Look at description of God in Quran Chapter 112:1-4 Sura Al-Ikhlas - The Purity of Faith In the name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful. 1. Say: He is Allah, the One and Only; 2. Allah, the Eternal, Absolute; 3. He begetteth not, nor is He begotten; 4. And there is none like unto Him. The new issue here is: Is Allah God? Yes, of course. Allah is the name of God in Arabic. It is Ella in Aramaic. It is also Allah by Jewish. It is also Allah by Arabic speaking Christians.
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Rank: Member Joined: 6/4/2015 Posts: 604
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symbols wrote:guru267 wrote:symbols wrote:guru267 wrote:Caramba wrote:On another note @Alphdoti, I've always wondered: Is Allah=Elohim/Eloha? Yes that is why all Christians/Jews all around the world who speak Arabic refer to God as 'Allah' Allah=Elohim=Yahweh=Jehovah Allah=Moon God=God of Pagans=God of Polytheists. Arabic speaking pagans and polytheists refer to their God(s) as 'Allah'. @symbols why are you running from the truth?  Arabic Jews and Christians call God ALLAH!!!!! Or do you know something I don't..  Running away from what truth? There is Allah the God of Islam and there is Allah as a title for God.So Allah is a Moon God,God of pagans and polytheists. Allah of Islam is not Yahweh of the Christians and Jews.Allah of Islam hates Christians and Jews because they worship Yahweh.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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Muriel wrote:Lolest! wrote:AlphDoti wrote:Makali1 wrote:At the end of it all, we are saved not by our works but by having FAITH in the Lord Jesus Christ as our personal Savior.
There's no other way to God except through Jesus Christ. That is nothing but the Truth! @makali Jesus was never on the cross. Someone else was put in the place of Jesus for death by God. You cannot betray one of God's greatest messengers and get away! Most of the Christians, almost all believe that Jesus Christ (pbuh) is Almighty God. Does God die? Is God killed by His own creation? Does God die to forgive, why can't he just forgive? If he died, who controlled the world for three days? Can God do anything? can God become man? Can the man God die in flesh? They say Allah is absolute. That he cannot do ungodly things. Can allah do anything? Can Allah save? @muriel, you asked: they say Allah is absoluteYes, Quran uses the word 'Assamad', which means "absolute existence". All other beings are temporary. But Allah (Almighty God) is not dependant on anyone or anything. But all other beings and things depend on Him. The air you breath, the water you drink, the sun you get warmth from etc... @muriel, you asked: That He cannot do ungodly things.Yes, God does not do ungodly actions. God is the source of justice, mercy and truth. That is why we cannot imagine God telling a lie, being unjust, making a mistake, forgetting things, or having any such human iniquities. @muriel, you asked: Can allah do anything? Yes, God can do anything if He chooses to, but He will never do injustices because that is an ungodly act. He ceases to be God. Quran 4:40 says: "Allah is never unjust In the least degree." @muriel, you asked: Can Allah save?Yes, of course! See examples below. 1. Allah saved the children of Israel from Pharaoh:" O children of Israel! Remember those blessings of Mine with which I graced you, and how I favored you above all other people. And guard yourselves against a day when no soul will in aught avail another, nor will intercession be accepted from it, nor will compensation be received from it, nor will they be helped. And remember the time when We saved you from Pharaoh's people, who afflicted you with cruel suffering, slaughtering your sons and sparing only your women — which was an awesome trial from your Sustainer; and when We cleft the sea before you, and thus saved you and caused Pharaoh's people to drown before your very eyes." (Surah Baqarah ch 2:47-50) 2. Allah saved Jesus from the hands of his enemies, the Romans (conspired with Jews):" And because of their saying (in boast), "We killed Messiah Jesus, son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah," but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but the resemblance of Jesus was put over another man (and they killed that man) and those who differ therein are full of doubts. They have no certain knowledge, they follow nothing but conjecture. For surely; they killed him not (Jesus, son of Mary): But Allah raised him (Jesus) up (with his body and soul) unto Himself (and he is in the heavens).
And Allah is Ever All Powerful, All Wise." (Quran Ch 4:157-159)
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