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Rank: Member Joined: 5/1/2013 Posts: 106
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It's all good to have faith in God but a good look at statistics will show you the reality of the matter. Having kids too early or having too many kids keeps people in the cycle of poverty. Yes, they should use birth control or abstein but sometimes shit happens.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 11/14/2007 Posts: 4,152
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/6/2008 Posts: 3,579
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Kenyan Constitution Chapter 4 Bill of Rights 26(1) Every person has a right to life. (2) The life of a person begins at conception. (4) Abortion is not permitted. After a lot of arguing by doctors, lawyers, teachers, abortion practitioners and survivors, this is what Kenyan's agreed at bomas and beyond (no need to re-discuss/re-argue your already discussed views) . If you cannot avoid abortion because your spiritual (non-spiritual) reasoning does not allow you to, then understand that we have to be together as Kenyans on this, we chose and "The Kenyan View" is abortion is wrong. At least you will think twice before you spread your/someones legs, pump your stupid asses up and down then "accidentally" get pregnant go to abort ati, just think kidogo before that as a Kenyan. And teach the youth this (the truth), we will be a much better people for it. Ras Kienyeji Man
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Rank: User Joined: 8/15/2013 Posts: 13,237 Location: Vacuum
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Zanze wrote:It's all good to have faith in God but a good look at statistics will show you the reality of the matter. Having kids too early or having too many kids keeps people in the cycle of poverty. Yes, they should use birth control or abstein but sometimes shit happens. Lie, My first kid was brought into this world when I was 23 and he doesn't lack anything. If Obiero did it, Who Am I?
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Rank: Member Joined: 5/1/2013 Posts: 106
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Of course an abortion should not be considered as the first or only option of birth control. Same goes for morning after pills. If it is known than this group of people is not using contraception what's being done about it? What went wrong? Since I'm huku kwa kina @kiash I might be missing something coz I also hear people don't worry much about AIDS since ARVs work well.
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Rank: Member Joined: 5/1/2013 Posts: 106
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Swenani wrote:Zanze wrote:It's all good to have faith in God but a good look at statistics will show you the reality of the matter. Having kids too early or having too many kids keeps people in the cycle of poverty. Yes, they should use birth control or abstein but sometimes shit happens. Lie, My first kid was brought into this world when I was 23 and he doesn't lack anything. Good for you and your kid. Others are not so lucky.
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Rank: Chief Joined: 5/9/2007 Posts: 13,095
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Zanze wrote:It's all good to have faith in God but a good look at statistics will show you the reality of the matter. Having kids too early or having too many kids keeps people in the cycle of poverty. Yes, they should use birth control or abstain but sometimes shit happens. And when shit happens you kill the baby? You know in a civilized society, punishment by death is left to the very notorious criminals. In fact, most societies have realized killing them is very inhuman and has changed it to life imprisonment. So punishing a child by death because shit happened is the most crude thing a human being can ever think of doing. Further, may I remind you that most abortions are not even procured by the poor. They are done by the able ones, the same who don't want a child to disrupt their career path, they don't want to be caught red-handed by their spouses now that they were having affairs outside marriage...and such other excuses. As they say, choices have consequences. You chose to get a baby, let the baby live. By the way, if babies were killed on the basis of poverty, there millions of successful people today who are changing lives positively and even taking part in eliminating poverty who could not be alive today. Maybe even a good number of Wazuans wouldnt be alive. CEO Equity wouldn't have survived. If I got his book right, Steve Jobs too then would have been a victim. And million others.
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Rank: Member Joined: 1/27/2012 Posts: 851 Location: Nairobi
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Swenani wrote:mkeiy wrote:PeterReborn wrote: How can having a baby be a disaster?I know pampers are expensive but the benefits of having a baby outdoes the costs.Having babies should never be a preserve for the rich. @PeterReborn, Ask the street kids (for example purposes) what disaster is and they'll give it to you. Look, a human being should live a decent life, feed,clothe,be housed,health services and education. I'm against the business of just plunging children into misery, when all that could be avoided to a huge degree. If one has to choose between children suffering to death and abortion, i take abortion any day. Until the day virtually all living children get good nurturing, a way has to be found of stopping/lessening the suffering. It's inhumane watching fellow human being [child] suffer, do nothing about it, yet still,champion for more human beings [children) to be thrown into the abyss of suffering. When you grow up and maybe have kids also,you will realize that you are wrong @Swenani. I have kids. That's why i wouldn't want any kid anywhere to suffer the sort of suffering i see around. I also take care of other people's kids. People with three times more kids than i do, but who can't take care of them.
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Rank: Member Joined: 1/27/2012 Posts: 851 Location: Nairobi
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PeterReborn wrote:mkeiy wrote:PeterReborn wrote: How can having a baby be a disaster?I know pampers are expensive but the benefits of having a baby outdoes the costs.Having babies should never be a preserve for the rich. @PeterReborn, Ask the street kids (for example purposes) what disaster is and they'll give it to you. Look, a human being should live a decent life, feed,clothe,be housed,health services and education. I'm against the business of just plunging children into misery, when all that could be avoided to a huge degree. If one has to choose between children suffering to death and abortion, i take abortion any day.Until the day virtually all living children get good nurturing, a way has to be found of stopping/lessening the suffering. It's inhumane watching fellow human being [child] suffer, do nothing about it, yet still,champion for more human beings [children) to be thrown into the abyss of suffering. That's where we go wrong.We have enough resources to take care of our kids.Our government has resources to settle all the street kids. In fact some of the street kids have run away from homes where there are enough resources.We are just selfish and don't want to take responsibility. Abortion doesnt unmake you a parent.It only make you a parent of a dead child. Trust me if you got a kid today,he/she will never sleep hungry.Sad that only the middle class who have money are complaining.The poor people who have more kids are not complaining and God always provide for them. @Peter, I used street kids as an example, didn't you read that? Abortion doesn't bring forth a kid into suffering. Whether the person procuring abortion becomes a murderer,that's their business. They are grown-ups to some extent. People get kids and those kids go hungry,with some dying. Where are you getting the notion that once you get a kid they can never go hungry. Burying heads in murky sands and just groping on some ill faith/hope won't solve the suffering. Deliberate action needs to be taken by grown folks. All the living kids should be taken good care and i try doing my part helping other people's kids, but the yet-to-be born should not be thrown in the mill just for the heck of having kids. Lastly, could be the "poor" are not complaining because they are always asking the able, "na sasa usipotusaidia unatwambia tufanye nini?"
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Rank: Member Joined: 5/1/2013 Posts: 106
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I know of a lady who pickets outside abortion clinics here and has done so for many years. She somehow got herself into a situation where she needed an abortion. She put on a disguise (in case the people there thought she was spying or her fellow picketers recognized her), went and had the procedure done and as soon as she was healthy went back to picketing these same clinics and hurling insults at the people going in. The only time you know what you'd actually do is when shit hits the fan. All we are doing here is speculating and pointing fingers and being hypocrites. Kenyans are very good at pretending to be holier than the next person yet they are committing "wrongs" all over the place. Let's mind our own business and stop projecting our wishes on other people. If you want to have a kid you can't properly raise (or can raise) ... That's on you. If you are irresponsible with your sex life or you do everything you can but still get pregnant ... that's also on you to make the decision that best suits you.
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