*do with their bodies* ... this includes carrying a baby for 9 months .. or do you imagine we lay an egg and sit on it till the baby hatches?

And the people who make the most noise about what women should and should not do with their bodies ... from having children to dressing to whether or not they should have sex, use contraception or get married are men. Abortions will always be done whether or not you wanted them ... banning them or vilifying those who need them only pushes people into those dark and dingy abortion clinics. Women are stigmatized when they get pregnant outside marriage, they are abandoned by the same men who weeks prior had seduced them, or toil endlessly while "the man of the house" drinks his money away. I am not saying that all men are bad... all I am saying is by the time a decision has been made to have an abortion or keep the child, the woman has evaluated her options and knows what steps to take for the future.

Yes, people say that you will always manage to feed and clothe a child when it is born but that is not always the case if people around you are struggling just like you.

I clearly said that I think poor people are better off sorting their problems first before child bearing

Which utopia is this you live in?

Boss, there are poor people in this world u wont believe they have never held a 100 bob note in their lives and they are so mature. go to Turkana and you will know that just affording to get water to drink is a luxury to so people

Great message...

It's all good to have faith in God but a good look at statistics will show you the reality of the matter. Having kids too early or having too many kids keeps people in the cycle of poverty. Yes, they should use birth control or abstein but sometimes shit happens.

Kenyan Constitution
Chapter 4
Bill of Rights

26(1) Every person has a right to life.
(2) The life of a person begins at conception.
(4) Abortion is not permitted.

After a lot of arguing by doctors, lawyers, teachers, abortion practitioners and survivors, this is what Kenyan's agreed at bomas and beyond (no need to re-discuss/re-argue your already discussed views) . If you cannot avoid abortion because your spiritual (non-spiritual) reasoning does not allow you to, then understand that we have to be together as Kenyans on this, we chose and "The Kenyan View" is abortion is wrong. At least you will think twice before you spread your/someones legs, pump your stupid asses up and down then "accidentally" get pregnant go to abort ati, just think kidogo before that as a Kenyan. And teach the youth this (the truth), we will be a much better people for it.

Of course an abortion should not be considered as the first or only option of birth control. Same goes for morning after pills. If it is known than this group of people is not using contraception what's being done about it? What went wrong? Since I'm huku kwa kina @kiash I might be missing something coz I also hear people don't worry much about AIDS since ARVs work well.

And when shit happens you kill the baby? You know in a civilized society, punishment by death is left to the very notorious criminals. In fact, most societies have realized killing them is very inhuman and has changed it to life imprisonment. So punishing a child by death because shit happened is the most crude thing a human being can ever think of doing. Further, may I remind you that most abortions are not even procured by the poor. They are done by the able ones, the same who don't want a child to disrupt their career path, they don't want to be caught red-handed by their spouses now that they were having affairs outside marriage...and such other excuses. As they say, choices have consequences. You chose to get a baby, let the baby live.

By the way, if babies were killed on the basis of poverty, there millions of successful people today who are changing lives positively and even taking part in eliminating poverty who could not be alive today. Maybe even a good number of Wazuans wouldnt be alive. CEO Equity wouldn't have survived. If I got his book right, Steve Jobs too then would have been a victim. And million others.

@Peter, I used street kids as an example, didn't you read that?

Abortion doesn't bring forth a kid into suffering. Whether the person procuring abortion becomes a murderer,that's their business. They are grown-ups to some extent.

People get kids and those kids go hungry,with some dying. Where are you getting the notion that once you get a kid they can never go hungry.

Burying heads in murky sands and just groping on some ill faith/hope won't solve the suffering.

Deliberate action needs to be taken by grown folks. All the living kids should be taken good care and i try doing my part helping other people's kids, but the yet-to-be born should not be thrown in the mill just for the heck of having kids.

Lastly, could be the "poor" are not complaining because they are always asking the able, "na sasa usipotusaidia unatwambia tufanye nini?"