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Jus Blazin wrote:AlphDoti wrote:Jus Blazin wrote:Is Sharia Law in the Quran? The Quran is the sharia. Quote:Sharia law is Islam's legal system. It is derived from both the Quran (the word of God), the Sunnah (example of the life of the prophet Muhammad), and fatwas (the rulings of Islamic scholars). So Sharia law is man made, no? Otherwise it should be purely based on Quran. Sindio? ???  Luck is when Preparation meets Opportunity. ~ Lucius Annaeus Seneca
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Rank: Member Joined: 11/19/2009 Posts: 3,142
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guru267 wrote:Muriel wrote:
I am not disputing that your Allah does whatever he wills, whenever he wills and however he wills.
I am asking if you are saved.
Has your Allah saved you? Or do you expect him to save you, seeing you are a pious Muslim and he saved pious Muslims like the boy and Issa?
And I repeat, the Almighty will do with me whatever He wills, whenever He wills and however He wills... So you are unwilling to commit yourself to a definitive answer. Is Allah arbitrary? Like he just decides you are either good or you are bad so you cannot really be sure? Is that his character? He changes? Why are you not sure he will save you when there is clear evidence he saves? Are you suspicious of him?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/19/2013 Posts: 2,552
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guru267 wrote:symbols wrote:guru267 wrote:symbols wrote:guru267 wrote:The Almighty hates two things the most.
1. Anyone who worships anything other than him (Majority of Christians except Jehovah's witnesses)
2. Anyone who does not recognize Jesus Christ as the Messiah (Jews)
@symbols do you agree?
Or did someone also fool you into thinking that the Messiah is Almighty? John 3:16 wrote:For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. @symbols I didn't take you for the emotional type. Since when does believing in the Messiah make him Almighty? Muslims believe in the Messiah but he is not and will never be Almighty... The Almighty is ONE! What do you understand by the word "begotten"?? I agree with you @guru267.Allah hates Jews and Christians because Allah has no sons and they don't recognize the Muslim Messiah(he isn't Jesus of the Bible). Beget - To bring forth. Isaiah 7:14 - Therefore the Lord himself will give you a sign: The virgin will conceive and give birth to a son, and will call him Immanuel. Isaiah 9:6 - For to us a child is born,to us a son is given,and the government will be on his shoulders.And he will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God,Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace. Isaiah 43:11 - I, even I, am the Yahweh; and beside me there is no saviour.I have revealed and saved and proclaimed—I, and not some foreign god among you.You are my witnesses,” declares the Lord, “that I am God.Yes, and from ancient days I am he.No one can deliver out of my hand.When I act, who can reverse it?” John 1:1 - In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. John 1:14 - The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the One and Only, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth. John 1:15 - John testified concerning him. He cried out, saying, “This is the one I spoke about when I said, ‘He who comes after me has surpassed me because he was before me.’” 1 John 4:9-10 - This is how God showed his love among us: He sent his one and only Son into the world that we might live through him. This is love: not that we loved God, but that he loved us and sent his Son as an atoning sacrifice for our sins. The Qur'an says the Messiah (Jesus Christ) was born of the virgin Mary, incarnate of the Holy Spirit, could raise people from the dead, is seated at the right hand of the Almighty and called people to worship one God. Enlighten me how this differs with the story of the Bible? According to the Quran: 1.Jesus is a man created to be a prophet of Allah. 2.He was the nephew of Aaron because Mary was his sister. 3.He is not the son of Allah and it's an unforgivable sin to believe that he is. 4.He didn't die on the cross for our sins and the resurrection never happened. 5.He doesn't offer salvation from sin. 6.He called people to worship Allah not Yahweh. The purpose and nature of Jesus Christ as per the Bible,is explicitly rejected in the Quran.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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Jus Blazin wrote:Jus Blazin wrote:AlphDoti wrote:Jus Blazin wrote:Is Sharia Law in the Quran? The Quran is the sharia. Quote:Sharia law is Islam's legal system. It is derived from both the Quran (the word of God), the Sunnah (example of the life of the prophet Muhammad), and fatwas (the rulings of Islamic scholars). So Sharia law is man made, no? Otherwise it should be purely based on Quran. Sindio? ??? In Islam, the words of God and prophet have been separated. There are two authentic sources of Islam are the Quran, which is 100% the Word of God and the authentic Hadith, which is the words, saying and tradition of the prophet Muhammad (pbuh). So the Quran will never contradict itself. Nor will authentic hadith contradict itself. Neither will these two authentic sources contradict each other. In the contrary, the Bible is a mixture of all... the words of God, of the prophets, and of historians.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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Muriel wrote:guru267 wrote:Muriel wrote:
I am not disputing that your Allah does whatever he wills, whenever he wills and however he wills.
I am asking if you are saved.
Has your Allah saved you? Or do you expect him to save you, seeing you are a pious Muslim and he saved pious Muslims like the boy and Issa?
And I repeat, the Almighty will do with me whatever He wills, whenever He wills and however He wills... So you are unwilling to commit yourself to a definitive answer. Is Allah arbitrary? Like he just decides you are either good or you are bad so you cannot really be sure? Is that his character? He changes? Why are you not sure he will save you when there is clear evidence he saves? Are you suspicious of him? @symbols, Salvation will come later, not now. Quran 2:21 " O mankind! worship your Lord, Who hath created you and those before you, so that ye may ward off (evil)" So how will you get saved? By doing goodQuran 2:25 " And give glad tidings (O Muhammad) unto those who believe and do good works; that theirs are Gardens underneath which rivers flow;" Check what Jesus says:Matt 19:23 " And Jesus said to His disciples, “Truly I say to you, it is hard for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven. Matt 19:25 the disciples were very astonished and said, " Then who can be saved?" Matt 19:26 And looking at them Jesus said to them, " WITH PEOPLE this is IMPOSSIBLE, but with God all things are possible."
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Rank: Elder Joined: 1/21/2010 Posts: 6,675 Location: Nairobi
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Muriel wrote:guru267 wrote:Muriel wrote:
I am not disputing that your Allah does whatever he wills, whenever he wills and however he wills.
I am asking if you are saved.
Has your Allah saved you? Or do you expect him to save you, seeing you are a pious Muslim and he saved pious Muslims like the boy and Issa?
And I repeat, the Almighty will do with me whatever He wills, whenever He wills and however He wills... So you are unwilling to commit yourself to a definitive answer. Is Allah arbitrary? Like he just decides you are either good or you are bad so you cannot really be sure? Is that his character? He changes? Why are you not sure he will save you when there is clear evidence he saves? Are you suspicious of him? Your thinking is why the Jews thought the Almighty would never break the covenant with them despite how much they sinned and disobeyed messengers! It was the Almighty's will for Abraham to kill his son but this changed... It was the Almighty's will for Jesus to be killed by the Jews but this also changed. Who am I to know what the Almighty's will is if these messengers had no clue? Mark 12:29
Deuteronomy 4:16
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Rank: Elder Joined: 1/21/2010 Posts: 6,675 Location: Nairobi
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symbols wrote:guru267 wrote:symbols wrote:guru267 wrote:symbols wrote:guru267 wrote:The Almighty hates two things the most.
1. Anyone who worships anything other than him (Majority of Christians except Jehovah's witnesses)
2. Anyone who does not recognize Jesus Christ as the Messiah (Jews)
@symbols do you agree?
Or did someone also fool you into thinking that the Messiah is Almighty? John 3:16 wrote:For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. @symbols I didn't take you for the emotional type. Since when does believing in the Messiah make him Almighty? Muslims believe in the Messiah but he is not and will never be Almighty... The Almighty is ONE! What do you understand by the word "begotten"?? I agree with you @guru267.Allah hates Jews and Christians because Allah has no sons and they don't recognize the Muslim Messiah(he isn't Jesus of the Bible). Beget - To bring forth. Isaiah 7:14 - Therefore the Lord himself will give you a sign: The virgin will conceive and give birth to a son, and will call him Immanuel. Isaiah 9:6 - For to us a child is born,to us a son is given,and the government will be on his shoulders.And he will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God,Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace. Isaiah 43:11 - I, even I, am the Yahweh; and beside me there is no saviour.I have revealed and saved and proclaimed—I, and not some foreign god among you.You are my witnesses,” declares the Lord, “that I am God.Yes, and from ancient days I am he.No one can deliver out of my hand.When I act, who can reverse it?” John 1:1 - In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. John 1:14 - The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the One and Only, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth. John 1:15 - John testified concerning him. He cried out, saying, “This is the one I spoke about when I said, ‘He who comes after me has surpassed me because he was before me.’” 1 John 4:9-10 - This is how God showed his love among us: He sent his one and only Son into the world that we might live through him. This is love: not that we loved God, but that he loved us and sent his Son as an atoning sacrifice for our sins. The Qur'an says the Messiah (Jesus Christ) was born of the virgin Mary, incarnate of the Holy Spirit, could raise people from the dead, is seated at the right hand of the Almighty and called people to worship one God. Enlighten me how this differs with the story of the Bible? According to the Quran: 1.Jesus is a man created to be a prophet of Allah. John 6:14 wrote:When the people saw him do this miraculous sign, they exclaimed, "Surely, he is the Prophet we have been expecting!" 2.He was the nephew of Aaron because Mary was his sister. - Mary was a descendant of Aaron. Please use understanding3.He is not the son of Allah and it's an unforgivable sin to believe that he is. Matthew 26:63-64 wrote:The high priest said to him, “I charge you under oath by the living God: Tell us if you are the Son of God.”
“It is you that says so,” Jesus replied. “But I say to all of you: From now on you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of the Mighty One and coming on the clouds of heaven. 4.He didn't die on the cross for our sins and the resurrection never happened. Hebrews 5:7 wrote:While Jesus was here on earth, he offered prayers and pleadings, with a loud cry and tears, to the one who could rescue him from death. And God heard his prayers because of his deep reverence for the Almighty 5.He doesn't offer salvation from sin. - Messiah means saviour and the Quran refers to him as Messiah and hadith say when he returns sin will be removed from the world!6.He called people to worship Allah not Yahweh. Mark 12:29 wrote:The most important commandment,” answered Jesus, “is this: ‘Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God is one The purpose and nature of Jesus Christ as per the Bible,is explicitly rejected in the Quran.  Mark 12:29
Deuteronomy 4:16
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Rank: Member Joined: 11/19/2009 Posts: 3,142
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AlphDoti wrote:Muriel wrote:guru267 wrote:Muriel wrote:
I am not disputing that your Allah does whatever he wills, whenever he wills and however he wills.
I am asking if you are saved.
Has your Allah saved you? Or do you expect him to save you, seeing you are a pious Muslim and he saved pious Muslims like the boy and Issa?
And I repeat, the Almighty will do with me whatever He wills, whenever He wills and however He wills... So you are unwilling to commit yourself to a definitive answer. Is Allah arbitrary? Like he just decides you are either good or you are bad so you cannot really be sure? Is that his character? He changes? Why are you not sure he will save you when there is clear evidence he saves? Are you suspicious of him? @symbols, Salvation will come later, not now. Quran 2:21 " O mankind! worship your Lord, Who hath created you and those before you, so that ye may ward off (evil)" So how will you get saved? By doing goodQuran 2:25 " And give glad tidings (O Muhammad) unto those who believe and do good works; that theirs are Gardens underneath which rivers flow;" Check what Jesus says:Matt 19:23 " And Jesus said to His disciples, “Truly I say to you, it is hard for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven. Matt 19:25 the disciples were very astonished and said, " Then who can be saved?" Matt 19:26 And looking at them Jesus said to them, " WITH PEOPLE this is IMPOSSIBLE, but with God all things are possible." So do you believe that Allah offers salvation?
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Rank: Member Joined: 11/19/2009 Posts: 3,142
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guru267 wrote:Muriel wrote:guru267 wrote:Muriel wrote:
I am not disputing that your Allah does whatever he wills, whenever he wills and however he wills.
I am asking if you are saved.
Has your Allah saved you? Or do you expect him to save you, seeing you are a pious Muslim and he saved pious Muslims like the boy and Issa?
And I repeat, the Almighty will do with me whatever He wills, whenever He wills and however He wills... So you are unwilling to commit yourself to a definitive answer. Is Allah arbitrary? Like he just decides you are either good or you are bad so you cannot really be sure? Is that his character? He changes? Why are you not sure he will save you when there is clear evidence he saves? Are you suspicious of him? Your thinking is why the Jews thought the Almighty would never break the covenant with them despite how much they sinned and disobeyed messengers! It was the Almighty's will for Abraham to kill his son but this changed... It was the Almighty's will for Jesus to be killed by the Jews but this also changed. Who am I to know what the Almighty's will is if these messengers had no clue? Allow me to rephrase my question. Allah says that he saved a boy. Do you believe him?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/19/2013 Posts: 2,552
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According to the Quran: 1.Jesus is a man created to be a prophet of Allah. guru267 wrote:John 6:14 wrote:When the people saw him do this miraculous sign, they exclaimed, "Surely, he is the Prophet we have been expecting!" Matthew 16:16-17 - Simon Peter answered, "You are the Messiah, the Son of the living God." Jesus replied, "Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah, for this was not revealed to you by flesh and blood, but by my Father in heaven. 2.He was the nephew of Aaron because Mary was his sister. guru267 wrote:- Mary was a descendant of Aaron. Please use understanding Quran 19:27-28 - Then she brought him to her people, carrying him. They said, "O Mary, you have certainly done a thing unprecedented.O sister of Aaron, your father was not a man of evil, nor was your mother unchaste." 3.He is not the son of Allah and it's an unforgivable sin to believe that he is. guru267 wrote:Matthew 26:63-64 wrote:The high priest said to him, “I charge you under oath by the living God: Tell us if you are the Son of God.”
“It is you that says so,” Jesus replied. “But I say to all of you: From now on you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of the Mighty One and coming on the clouds of heaven. Matthew 16:16-17 4.He didn't die on the cross for our sins and the resurrection never happened. guru267 wrote:Hebrews 5:7 wrote:While Jesus was here on earth, he offered prayers and pleadings, with a loud cry and tears, to the one who could rescue him from death. And God heard his prayers because of his deep reverence for the Almighty Allah deceived people that Jesus was crucified. Quran 4:157 - And [for] their saying, "Indeed, we have killed the Messiah, Jesus, the son of Mary, the messenger of Allah ." And they did not kill him, nor did they crucify him; but [another] was made to resemble him to them. And indeed, those who differ over it are in doubt about it. They have no knowledge of it except the following of assumption. And they did not kill him, for certain. 5.He doesn't offer salvation from sin. guru267 wrote:- Messiah means saviour and the Quran refers to him as Messiah and hadith say when he returns sin will be removed from the world!
The Muslim Messiah doesn't offer salvation from sin.Quote the Quran or Hadith. 6.He called people to worship Allah not Yahweh. guru267 wrote:Mark 12:29 wrote:The most important commandment,” answered Jesus, “is this: ‘Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God is one Allah is not Yahweh and the Muslim Messiah called people to worship Allah. symbols wrote:
The purpose and nature of Jesus Christ as per the Bible,is explicitly rejected in the Quran.
^^^ It is easier than showing what I've said is false or inaccurate.
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