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Crazy Nairobi traffic!!
nakujua
#461 Posted : Thursday, April 23, 2015 4:37:21 PM
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Swenani wrote:
Um Sayala wrote:
I have also noticed the reduced jams along Mbsa Rd. Hope the trailers will be banished forever. Watumie bypass. Kudos, kidero and team, but you should not threaten long distance buses. Nairobi si ya Duale yenu



I think the only sensible think for Kidero to do is banish private cars from CBD and only allow PSV's into town.

Jogoo private cars should be parked at city stadium,Mombasa road,diaspora and langata road cars should be parked at Nyayo stadium, Kinoo,uthiru should be parked at westlands,Thika road cars should be parked at Pangani.

It doesn't make sense for majority of Nairobians who drive shoebaru and footsubishi to be made to walk just because of a few middle crass driving their old Nze's into town.

since middle class wa nairobi will be hardest done, why don't you nairobians ban parking in the cbd, and let that parking space be used to expand the roads (ama ipewe hawkers), so the cbd becomes just a ka transit area.
huku ocha cars are not parked on the roadside - smile
KulaRaha
#462 Posted : Thursday, April 23, 2015 6:46:13 PM
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Swenani wrote:
Um Sayala wrote:
I have also noticed the reduced jams along Mbsa Rd. Hope the trailers will be banished forever. Watumie bypass. Kudos, kidero and team, but you should not threaten long distance buses. Nairobi si ya Duale yenu



I think the only sensible think for Kidero to do is banish private cars from CBD and only allow PSV's into town.

Jogoo private cars should be parked at city stadium,Mombasa road,diaspora and langata road cars should be parked at Nyayo stadium, Kinoo,uthiru should be parked at westlands,Thika road cars should be parked at Pangani.

It doesn't make sense for majority of Nairobians who drive shoebaru and footsubishi to be made to walk just because of a few middle crass driving their old Nze's into town.


Or enforce strict car pooling rules. During morning (7ma to 9am) and evening (5pm to 7pm) commute, minimum 3 pax per car...any less and you pay spot fine of 2k, enough to hurt. See how guys comply. Ill be planning with neighbors chap chap.
Business opportunities are like buses,there's always another one coming
Rankaz13
#463 Posted : Thursday, April 23, 2015 7:48:29 PM
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McReggae wrote:
Swenani wrote:
Um Sayala wrote:
I have also noticed the reduced jams along Mbsa Rd. Hope the trailers will be banished forever. Watumie bypass. Kudos, kidero and team, but you should not threaten long distance buses. Nairobi si ya Duale yenu



I think the only sensible think for Kidero to do is banish private cars from CBD and only allow PSV's into town.
Jogoo private cars should be parked at city stadium,Mombasa road,diaspora and langata road cars should be parked at Nyayo stadium, Kinoo,uthiru should be parked at westlands,Thika road cars should be parked at Pangani.

It doesn't make sense for majority of Nairobians who drive shoebaru and footsubishi to be made to walk just because of a few middle crass driving their old Nze's into town.


Hio itakuwa ngumu boss......Lang'ata going to Thika?


Eastern bypass. smile smile
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Rankaz13
#464 Posted : Thursday, April 23, 2015 7:51:50 PM
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nakujua wrote:
since middle class wa nairobi will be hardest done, why don't you nairobians ban parking in the cbd, and let that parking space be used to expand the roads (ama ipewe hawkers), so the cbd becomes just a ka transit area.
huku ocha cars are not parked on the roadside - smile


I'm tempted to agree with you. Is on-street parking right outside your office/premises really necessary? How do other cities handle this?
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washiku
#465 Posted : Thursday, April 23, 2015 10:28:48 PM
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washiku
#466 Posted : Thursday, April 23, 2015 11:08:39 PM
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Speculz
#467 Posted : Friday, April 24, 2015 8:03:50 AM
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KulaRaha wrote:
Swenani wrote:
Um Sayala wrote:
I have also noticed the reduced jams along Mbsa Rd. Hope the trailers will be banished forever. Watumie bypass. Kudos, kidero and team, but you should not threaten long distance buses. Nairobi si ya Duale yenu



I think the only sensible think for Kidero to do is banish private cars from CBD and only allow PSV's into town.

Jogoo private cars should be parked at city stadium,Mombasa road,diaspora and langata road cars should be parked at Nyayo stadium, Kinoo,uthiru should be parked at westlands,Thika road cars should be parked at Pangani.

It doesn't make sense for majority of Nairobians who drive shoebaru and footsubishi to be made to walk just because of a few middle crass driving their old Nze's into town.


Or enforce strict car pooling rules. During morning (7ma to 9am) and evening (5pm to 7pm) commute, minimum 3 pax per car...any less and you pay spot fine of 2k, enough to hurt. See how guys comply. Ill be planning with neighbors chap chap.


Stop being myopic, why can't Kenyan's learn to think of creative solutions, who will be enforcing such a rule?? Do you think all Private vehicles want to come into the CBD? If they were provided with proper alternatives that would work, Car pooling cannot work currently unless you have the usual stone age 9-5 workplaces ,and for you to car pool you need to trust whoever you are ferrying or whoever is ferrying you, Get workable solutions instead of thinking of how to encourage corruption.
"You can't have everything. Where would you put it?" - Stephen Wright
Muriel
#468 Posted : Friday, April 24, 2015 8:33:44 AM
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Speculz wrote:
KulaRaha wrote:
Swenani wrote:
Um Sayala wrote:
I have also noticed the reduced jams along Mbsa Rd. Hope the trailers will be banished forever. Watumie bypass. Kudos, kidero and team, but you should not threaten long distance buses. Nairobi si ya Duale yenu



I think the only sensible think for Kidero to do is banish private cars from CBD and only allow PSV's into town.

Jogoo private cars should be parked at city stadium,Mombasa road,diaspora and langata road cars should be parked at Nyayo stadium, Kinoo,uthiru should be parked at westlands,Thika road cars should be parked at Pangani.

It doesn't make sense for majority of Nairobians who drive shoebaru and footsubishi to be made to walk just because of a few middle crass driving their old Nze's into town.


Or enforce strict car pooling rules. During morning (7ma to 9am) and evening (5pm to 7pm) commute, minimum 3 pax per car...any less and you pay spot fine of 2k, enough to hurt. See how guys comply. Ill be planning with neighbors chap chap.


Stop being myopic, why can't Kenyan's learn to think of creative solutions, who will be enforcing such a rule?? Do you think all Private vehicles want to come into the CBD? If they were provided with proper alternatives that would work, Car pooling cannot work currently unless you have the usual stone age 9-5 workplaces ,and for you to car pool you need to trust whoever you are ferrying or whoever is ferrying you, Get workable solutions instead of thinking of how to encourage corruption.


Most places it's 8-5. And it's set in stone. It was a creative solution that is not working. Surely you cannot just accuse Kenyans of not learning to think of creative solutions.
holycow
#469 Posted : Friday, April 24, 2015 8:34:36 AM
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KIdero tried the drums, how about hiking parking fees to 1,000/= and test the effect for a month. Yeah, i know middle class will bay for my blood.
majimaji
#470 Posted : Friday, April 24, 2015 8:44:24 AM
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holycow wrote:
KIdero tried the drums, how about hiking parking fees to 1,000/= and test the effect for a month. Yeah, i know middle class will bay for my blood.


Yes. Or 100 bob per hour
Swenani
#471 Posted : Friday, April 24, 2015 8:45:17 AM
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Rankaz13 wrote:
McReggae wrote:
Swenani wrote:
Um Sayala wrote:
I have also noticed the reduced jams along Mbsa Rd. Hope the trailers will be banished forever. Watumie bypass. Kudos, kidero and team, but you should not threaten long distance buses. Nairobi si ya Duale yenu



I think the only sensible think for Kidero to do is banish private cars from CBD and only allow PSV's into town.
Jogoo private cars should be parked at city stadium,Mombasa road,diaspora and langata road cars should be parked at Nyayo stadium, Kinoo,uthiru should be parked at westlands,Thika road cars should be parked at Pangani.

It doesn't make sense for majority of Nairobians who drive shoebaru and footsubishi to be made to walk just because of a few middle crass driving their old Nze's into town.


Hio itakuwa ngumu boss......Lang'ata going to Thika?


Eastern bypass. smile smile


or northern bypass....Mcreggae is the guy who needs to connect to town first before going anywhere, Even if he is going to Karen from lanagata , he has to come to town first.....Thinking inside a drum!
If Obiero did it, Who Am I?
Speculz
#472 Posted : Friday, April 24, 2015 9:02:32 AM
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Muriel wrote:
Speculz wrote:
KulaRaha wrote:
Swenani wrote:
Um Sayala wrote:
I have also noticed the reduced jams along Mbsa Rd. Hope the trailers will be banished forever. Watumie bypass. Kudos, kidero and team, but you should not threaten long distance buses. Nairobi si ya Duale yenu



I think the only sensible think for Kidero to do is banish private cars from CBD and only allow PSV's into town.

Jogoo private cars should be parked at city stadium,Mombasa road,diaspora and langata road cars should be parked at Nyayo stadium, Kinoo,uthiru should be parked at westlands,Thika road cars should be parked at Pangani.

It doesn't make sense for majority of Nairobians who drive shoebaru and footsubishi to be made to walk just because of a few middle crass driving their old Nze's into town.


Or enforce strict car pooling rules. During morning (7ma to 9am) and evening (5pm to 7pm) commute, minimum 3 pax per car...any less and you pay spot fine of 2k, enough to hurt. See how guys comply. Ill be planning with neighbors chap chap.


Stop being myopic, why can't Kenyan's learn to think of creative solutions, who will be enforcing such a rule?? Do you think all Private vehicles want to come into the CBD? If they were provided with proper alternatives that would work, Car pooling cannot work currently unless you have the usual stone age 9-5 workplaces ,and for you to car pool you need to trust whoever you are ferrying or whoever is ferrying you, Get workable solutions instead of thinking of how to encourage corruption.


Most places it's 8-5. And it's set in stone. It was a creative solution that is not working. Surely you cannot just accuse Kenyans of not learning to think of creative solutions.


Set in stone yes, what is creative about it? Having everyone pour out of workplaces at the same time?

As Muriel would say

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KulaRaha
#473 Posted : Friday, April 24, 2015 9:08:03 AM
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majimaji wrote:
holycow wrote:
KIdero tried the drums, how about hiking parking fees to 1,000/= and test the effect for a month. Yeah, i know middle class will bay for my blood.


Yes. Or 100 bob per hour


per hour makes sense. Maybe 200/= per hour at a minimum.
Business opportunities are like buses,there's always another one coming
KulaRaha
#474 Posted : Friday, April 24, 2015 9:18:39 AM
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Speculz wrote:
KulaRaha wrote:
Swenani wrote:
Um Sayala wrote:
I have also noticed the reduced jams along Mbsa Rd. Hope the trailers will be banished forever. Watumie bypass. Kudos, kidero and team, but you should not threaten long distance buses. Nairobi si ya Duale yenu



I think the only sensible think for Kidero to do is banish private cars from CBD and only allow PSV's into town.

Jogoo private cars should be parked at city stadium,Mombasa road,diaspora and langata road cars should be parked at Nyayo stadium, Kinoo,uthiru should be parked at westlands,Thika road cars should be parked at Pangani.

It doesn't make sense for majority of Nairobians who drive shoebaru and footsubishi to be made to walk just because of a few middle crass driving their old Nze's into town.


Or enforce strict car pooling rules. During morning (7ma to 9am) and evening (5pm to 7pm) commute, minimum 3 pax per car...any less and you pay spot fine of 2k, enough to hurt. See how guys comply. Ill be planning with neighbors chap chap.


Stop being myopic, why can't Kenyan's learn to think of creative solutions, who will be enforcing such a rule?? Do you think all Private vehicles want to come into the CBD? If they were provided with proper alternatives that would work, Car pooling cannot work currently unless you have the usual stone age 9-5 workplaces ,and for you to car pool you need to trust whoever you are ferrying or whoever is ferrying you, Get workable solutions instead of thinking of how to encourage corruption.


Oh pls!!! If we didn't have stone age 9=5 jobs, there would be NO JAM at those peak commute hours. This is the problem: people who dont even see the obvious and come up dumb ideas like barrels.
Business opportunities are like buses,there's always another one coming
Speculz
#475 Posted : Friday, April 24, 2015 9:38:24 AM
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KulaRaha wrote:
Speculz wrote:
KulaRaha wrote:
Swenani wrote:
Um Sayala wrote:
I have also noticed the reduced jams along Mbsa Rd. Hope the trailers will be banished forever. Watumie bypass. Kudos, kidero and team, but you should not threaten long distance buses. Nairobi si ya Duale yenu



I think the only sensible think for Kidero to do is banish private cars from CBD and only allow PSV's into town.

Jogoo private cars should be parked at city stadium,Mombasa road,diaspora and langata road cars should be parked at Nyayo stadium, Kinoo,uthiru should be parked at westlands,Thika road cars should be parked at Pangani.

It doesn't make sense for majority of Nairobians who drive shoebaru and footsubishi to be made to walk just because of a few middle crass driving their old Nze's into town.


Or enforce strict car pooling rules. During morning (7ma to 9am) and evening (5pm to 7pm) commute, minimum 3 pax per car...any less and you pay spot fine of 2k, enough to hurt. See how guys comply. Ill be planning with neighbors chap chap.


Stop being myopic, why can't Kenyan's learn to think of creative solutions, who will be enforcing such a rule?? Do you think all Private vehicles want to come into the CBD? If they were provided with proper alternatives that would work, Car pooling cannot work currently unless you have the usual stone age 9-5 workplaces ,and for you to car pool you need to trust whoever you are ferrying or whoever is ferrying you, Get workable solutions instead of thinking of how to encourage corruption.


Oh pls!!! If we didn't have stone age 9=5 jobs, there would be NO JAM at those peak commute hours. This is the problem: people who dont even see the obvious and come up dumb ideas like barrels.


Again, Myopic, why are you focusing on one issue? I simply pointed out the car pooling issue, if you insist tell us how car pooling would work then ,and actually staggered work hours work better. Is the obvious paying fines of 2k? Are people sticking to 50 KPH because they will be fined? Just because car pooling works elsewhere does not mean it will work here.
"You can't have everything. Where would you put it?" - Stephen Wright
Swenani
#476 Posted : Friday, April 24, 2015 9:47:41 AM
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@Kularaha,

car pooling can and will never work, kenyans have peculiar habit.

Take for example Mcreggae who lives in an SQ in Langata
Mcreggae works on Thika road(read that as Thika town)while the wife works on mombasa road.The landlord works in Industrial area while the wife works on ngong road.The neighbour to Mcreagge works in westlands while the wife works in Langata.

All the above people live at different times between 5.30am to 7.45 am.How will car pooling work?
If Obiero did it, Who Am I?
KulaRaha
#477 Posted : Friday, April 24, 2015 9:51:35 AM
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But when I travel to big cities overseas, there are strict car pooling rules.

McG can carpool with the landlord's wife upto Westy, and off to Thika. His wife can carpool with the landlord part of the way.

It will force people to think, and will def reduce the volume of cars on the highway.

The truck ban is already decongesting 2 lanes...now imagine if cars reduced even by 10%?
Business opportunities are like buses,there's always another one coming
KulaRaha
#478 Posted : Friday, April 24, 2015 9:55:54 AM
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Speculz wrote:
KulaRaha wrote:
Speculz wrote:
KulaRaha wrote:
Swenani wrote:
Um Sayala wrote:
I have also noticed the reduced jams along Mbsa Rd. Hope the trailers will be banished forever. Watumie bypass. Kudos, kidero and team, but you should not threaten long distance buses. Nairobi si ya Duale yenu



I think the only sensible think for Kidero to do is banish private cars from CBD and only allow PSV's into town.

Jogoo private cars should be parked at city stadium,Mombasa road,diaspora and langata road cars should be parked at Nyayo stadium, Kinoo,uthiru should be parked at westlands,Thika road cars should be parked at Pangani.

It doesn't make sense for majority of Nairobians who drive shoebaru and footsubishi to be made to walk just because of a few middle crass driving their old Nze's into town.


Or enforce strict car pooling rules. During morning (7ma to 9am) and evening (5pm to 7pm) commute, minimum 3 pax per car...any less and you pay spot fine of 2k, enough to hurt. See how guys comply. Ill be planning with neighbors chap chap.


Stop being myopic, why can't Kenyan's learn to think of creative solutions, who will be enforcing such a rule?? Do you think all Private vehicles want to come into the CBD? If they were provided with proper alternatives that would work, Car pooling cannot work currently unless you have the usual stone age 9-5 workplaces ,and for you to car pool you need to trust whoever you are ferrying or whoever is ferrying you, Get workable solutions instead of thinking of how to encourage corruption.


Oh pls!!! If we didn't have stone age 9=5 jobs, there would be NO JAM at those peak commute hours. This is the problem: people who dont even see the obvious and come up dumb ideas like barrels.


Again, Myopic, why are you focusing on one issue? I simply pointed out the car pooling issue, if you insist tell us how car pooling would work then ,and actually staggered work hours work better. Is the obvious paying fines of 2k? Are people sticking to 50 KPH because they will be fined? Just because car pooling works elsewhere does not mean it will work here.


Carpooling is just one of many solutions that need to be explored. The trick is to decongest the highway. removal of trucks did it, what else can be done?

Staggered work hours how? most middle class work fixed hours because those are the hours their business goes on. How do you stagger a banker's working hours, or a lawyer's? or even someone who works in accounts at a factory in Ind. Area?

There has to be a way of decongesting the roads since we do not seem to have the brainpower or capacity to build new ones.
Business opportunities are like buses,there's always another one coming
Speculz
#479 Posted : Friday, April 24, 2015 10:51:17 AM
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KulaRaha wrote:
Speculz wrote:
KulaRaha wrote:
Speculz wrote:
KulaRaha wrote:
Swenani wrote:
Um Sayala wrote:
I have also noticed the reduced jams along Mbsa Rd. Hope the trailers will be banished forever. Watumie bypass. Kudos, kidero and team, but you should not threaten long distance buses. Nairobi si ya Duale yenu



I think the only sensible think for Kidero to do is banish private cars from CBD and only allow PSV's into town.

Jogoo private cars should be parked at city stadium,Mombasa road,diaspora and langata road cars should be parked at Nyayo stadium, Kinoo,uthiru should be parked at westlands,Thika road cars should be parked at Pangani.

It doesn't make sense for majority of Nairobians who drive shoebaru and footsubishi to be made to walk just because of a few middle crass driving their old Nze's into town.


Or enforce strict car pooling rules. During morning (7ma to 9am) and evening (5pm to 7pm) commute, minimum 3 pax per car...any less and you pay spot fine of 2k, enough to hurt. See how guys comply. Ill be planning with neighbors chap chap.


Stop being myopic, why can't Kenyan's learn to think of creative solutions, who will be enforcing such a rule?? Do you think all Private vehicles want to come into the CBD? If they were provided with proper alternatives that would work, Car pooling cannot work currently unless you have the usual stone age 9-5 workplaces ,and for you to car pool you need to trust whoever you are ferrying or whoever is ferrying you, Get workable solutions instead of thinking of how to encourage corruption.


Oh pls!!! If we didn't have stone age 9=5 jobs, there would be NO JAM at those peak commute hours. This is the problem: people who dont even see the obvious and come up dumb ideas like barrels.


Again, Myopic, why are you focusing on one issue? I simply pointed out the car pooling issue, if you insist tell us how car pooling would work then ,and actually staggered work hours work better. Is the obvious paying fines of 2k? Are people sticking to 50 KPH because they will be fined? Just because car pooling works elsewhere does not mean it will work here.


Carpooling is just one of many solutions that need to be explored. The trick is to decongest the highway. removal of trucks did it, what else can be done?

Staggered work hours how? most middle class work fixed hours because those are the hours their business goes on. How do you stagger a banker's working hours, or a lawyer's? or even someone who works in accounts at a factory in Ind. Area?

There has to be a way of decongesting the roads since we do not seem to have the brainpower or capacity to build new ones.


Don't the "big Cities" also have special lanes for car pooling? Do they penalize those that do not want to car pool, every city has specific dynamics, you have to be realistic and work with such dynamics.Again I said it would work in 9-5 work places, Not everyone is a banker or a lawyer, an accountant can carry work home at 3:50pm and use VPN to complete his or her work.

De congesting roads is simple :

1. Road etiquette

2. proper road design , why have junctions etc, case in point, while they were busy using explosives on thika road,would it have not been simpler to put a well lit underpass at drive inn? The traffic that that causes especially outbound evening) as inbound morning is determined by other factors.

"You can't have everything. Where would you put it?" - Stephen Wright
kysse
#480 Posted : Monday, April 27, 2015 8:42:25 AM
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Uuuuuuuwi .
Guys heading to the airport on outering road are finished.Those on train from embakasi wafanye tizi.

In addition to being stuck on traffic,the ugly train has derailed at tajmall closing the road completely.

Human traffic from the derailed train,bodabodas,mathogothanio galore.
Now waiting for cows to get up..

Now at makutano junction looking for a way to jkia.

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