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masukuma
#341 Posted : Tuesday, April 21, 2015 4:33:01 PM
Rank: Elder

Joined: 10/4/2006
Posts: 13,823
Location: Nairobi
AlphDoti wrote:
Muriel wrote:
AlphDoti wrote:
Muriel wrote:
symbols wrote:
AlphDoti wrote:

@Makali1 you have a loose mouth. I suspect your old name is @muriel. All hate has no impact, the religion of God keeps growing. Islam does not support terrorism.

Bukhari B.52,N.177 wrote wrote:
Narrated Abu Huraira: Allah’s Apostle said, “The Hour {of the Last Judgment} will not be established until you fight with the Jews, and the stone behind which a Jew will be hiding will say. “O Muslim! There is a Jew hiding behind me, so kill him.

Billions of Sunni Muslims are waiting to eradicate the Jews.

laugh
laugh
laugh

I repeat: Islam does NOT support TERRORISM. But DEFENSE has been prescribed to all human kind. So sort yourself.

Here is the Hadith once more with context of a war (fight):
Allah's Apostle said, "You (i.e. Muslims) will fight with the Jews till some of them will hide behind stones. The stones will (betray them) saying, 'O 'Abdullah (i.e. slave of Allah)! There is a Jew hiding behind me; so kill him.' "

What does your Bible say?
Deuteronomy 13:7-11 ...your brother, mother, son, daughter or wife ...you must PUT THEM TO DEATH.... You must KILL HIM with your own hand... You must STONE HIM TO DEATH

1 Samuel 15:2,3: This is what the LORD Almighty says: 'Do not spare them; PUT TO DEATH men and WOMEN, CHILDREN and INFANTS, cattle and sheep, camels and DONKEYS.'"

Numbers 31:17,18: Now KILL ALL THE BOYS. And KILL EVERY WOMAN... but SAVE FOR YOURSELVES every GIRL...

Deuteronomy 20:16: ...DO NOT LEAVE ALIVE ANYTHING that breathes.

Very well, so you persist.

So those were the instructions to Israel. Read somewhere they are the instructions to christians?

When current Israel carry out these instructions by bombing Palestine, who rises in condemnation against them? Alphdoti.

Who attempts to reason with readers against the destruction of babies in Gaza? Alphdoti.

If they are doing what Allah wants, how dare you not embrace those carrying out these commands?

If the torah is, as you claim, authentic I want to see you champion and support it's execution in Gaza.

@muriel, like this command here?




Link


Quote:

7 Remember, Lord, what the Edomites did
on the day Jerusalem fell
.
“Tear it down,” they cried,
“tear it down to its foundations!”
8 Daughter Babylon, doomed to destruction,
happy is the one who repays you
according to what you have done to us.
9 Happy is the one who seizes your infants
and dashes them against the rocks.
All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
AlphDoti
#342 Posted : Tuesday, April 21, 2015 4:39:08 PM
Rank: Elder

Joined: 6/20/2008
Posts: 6,275
Location: Kenya
Muriel wrote:
AlphDoti wrote:
Muriel wrote:
AlphDoti wrote:
Muriel wrote:
symbols wrote:
AlphDoti wrote:

@Makali1 you have a loose mouth. I suspect your old name is @muriel. All hate has no impact, the religion of God keeps growing. Islam does not support terrorism.

Bukhari B.52,N.177 wrote wrote:
Narrated Abu Huraira: Allah’s Apostle said, “The Hour {of the Last Judgment} will not be established until you fight with the Jews, and the stone behind which a Jew will be hiding will say. “O Muslim! There is a Jew hiding behind me, so kill him.

Billions of Sunni Muslims are waiting to eradicate the Jews.

laugh
laugh
laugh

I repeat: Islam does NOT support TERRORISM. But DEFENSE has been prescribed to all human kind. So sort yourself.

Here is the Hadith once more with context of a war (fight):
Allah's Apostle said, "You (i.e. Muslims) will fight with the Jews till some of them will hide behind stones. The stones will (betray them) saying, 'O 'Abdullah (i.e. slave of Allah)! There is a Jew hiding behind me; so kill him.' "

What does your Bible say?
Deuteronomy 13:7-11 ...your brother, mother, son, daughter or wife ...you must PUT THEM TO DEATH.... You must KILL HIM with your own hand... You must STONE HIM TO DEATH

1 Samuel 15:2,3: This is what the LORD Almighty says: 'Do not spare them; PUT TO DEATH men and WOMEN, CHILDREN and INFANTS, cattle and sheep, camels and DONKEYS.'"

Numbers 31:17,18: Now KILL ALL THE BOYS. And KILL EVERY WOMAN... but SAVE FOR YOURSELVES every GIRL...

Deuteronomy 20:16: ...DO NOT LEAVE ALIVE ANYTHING that breathes.

Very well, so you persist.

So those were the instructions to Israel. Read somewhere they are the instructions to christians?

When current Israel carry out these instructions by bombing Palestine, who rises in condemnation against them? Alphdoti.

Who attempts to reason with readers against the destruction of babies in Gaza? Alphdoti.

If they are doing what Allah wants, how dare you not embrace those carrying out these commands?

If the torah is, as you claim, authentic I want to see you champion and support it's execution in Gaza.

@muriel, like this command here?


Yes, Alphdoti, like that one.

Allah sent the torah, no? What they are doing in Gaza is Allah's will, is it not?

@muriel no, I don't believe God commanded people to smash infants on the walls. That is not God!!!

My bro, even you don't know that there is no original Torah anymore?
What you have is only "kumbu-kumbu Ya Taurati"... just a "remainder", hte rest is man-made as Jeremiah 8:8 tells you that bible has become "lies from the pen of the scribes has made it into falsehood".

But yes, what we should be having is Torah according to prophet Moses (peace be upon him). If you had the Torah in its original form, we would implement it.

What you see Israel doing is man made laws, killing children.

Islam does not support that.

Even in war, Islam is very clear about the mode of engagement. No killing children, women, animals, no destroying buildings, places of worship, trees etc.
symbols
#343 Posted : Tuesday, April 21, 2015 4:50:01 PM
Rank: Elder

Joined: 3/19/2013
Posts: 2,552
1.The Hadith says Muslims will be killing Jews in the future.You can't deny that.

2.Quran 9:29 is the justification of jizya.You can't deny that.

3.I have quoted you explain the jizya under Sharia law.You can't deny that.

Jizya and the fighting extends beyond the context of war or self-defense.You can't deny the verse and it's interpretation while accepting jizya.

Danganya toto jinga.Islam supports terrorism.

AlphDoti wrote:
symbols wrote:
AlphDoti wrote:
Muriel wrote:
symbols wrote:
AlphDoti wrote:

@Makali1 you have a loose mouth. I suspect your old name is @muriel. All hate has no impact, the religion of God keeps growing. Islam does not support terrorism.

Bukhari B.52,N.177 wrote wrote:
Narrated Abu Huraira: Allah’s Apostle said, “The Hour {of the Last Judgment} will not be established until you fight with the Jews, and the stone behind which a Jew will be hiding will say. “O Muslim! There is a Jew hiding behind me, so kill him.

Billions of Sunni Muslims are waiting to eradicate the Jews.

laugh
laugh
laugh

I repeat: Islam does NOT support TERRORISM. But DEFENSE has been prescribed to all human kind. So sort yourself.

Here is the Hadith once more with context of a war (fight):
Allah's Apostle said, "You (i.e. Muslims) will fight with the Jews till some of them will hide behind stones. The stones will (betray them) saying, 'O 'Abdullah (i.e. slave of Allah)! There is a Jew hiding behind me; so kill him.' "

The Hadith speaks of the future.In fact,you can't even deny what is says

Quran 9:29 wrote:
Fight those who do not believe in Allah or in the Last Day and who do not consider unlawful what Allah and His Messenger have made unlawful and who do not adopt the religion of truth from those who were given the Scripture - [fight] until they give the jizyah willingly while they are humbled.

Link - http://www.wazua.co.ke/f...amp;m=572733#post572733
AlphDoti wrote:
By the way, Sharia will not affect anybody who is not Muslim, who is a law abiding citizen. You'll only be required to pay tax, less than 2.5% or there about per year, can you imagine!!! The Muslims already pay 2.5% per year in what we call Zakat and this is a must. So if you compare 2.5% to 30% charged by Capitalist government, Islamic State is way far better.

You also can't explain the verse away in the context of war or self-defense.

Islam supports terrorism!

@symbols, don't behave like a nursery school child. You need to look for a dictionary. Terrorism and war are two different things.

Yes, Quran 9:29! We have repeated this verses thousand times in Wazua. You can do a quick search and you will see. This 9th chapter of the Quran came after many years of the prophet Muhammad (pbuh) of trying to work with the community and to preach the message of Islam. He had been driven out of his home town, 13 years before. He took safe residence in another city Madina. The beginning verses before 29, speak of about the Pagans breaking their contractual obligation and being out to fight Muslims.
How Muslims needed to defend themselves in a battle. See verses 9:1-11.

So in Quran 9:29, it is not a verse that says go out and fight Jews and Christians.
It is saying that the ultimate result of the fight with the pagan maybe kill the pagan in the battle in which they are trying to kill you. But in the case of Jews and Christians, you don't have to go to war, you can establish a covenant in which they pay a tribute to the governing Islamic state. And their lives would be protected minority in the Muslims state.

Just like the way people pay tax in non-Islamic governments. Like the way I pay tax here in Kenya.

IMPORTANT: In Muslim countries, non-Muslims pay as low as 0% tax!!! Can't compare with our govts charging people 30% and over!!!



Muriel
#344 Posted : Tuesday, April 21, 2015 4:55:59 PM
Rank: Member

Joined: 11/19/2009
Posts: 3,142
AlphDoti wrote:
Muriel wrote:
AlphDoti wrote:
Muriel wrote:
AlphDoti wrote:
Muriel wrote:
symbols wrote:
AlphDoti wrote:

@Makali1 you have a loose mouth. I suspect your old name is @muriel. All hate has no impact, the religion of God keeps growing. Islam does not support terrorism.

Bukhari B.52,N.177 wrote wrote:
Narrated Abu Huraira: Allah’s Apostle said, “The Hour {of the Last Judgment} will not be established until you fight with the Jews, and the stone behind which a Jew will be hiding will say. “O Muslim! There is a Jew hiding behind me, so kill him.

Billions of Sunni Muslims are waiting to eradicate the Jews.

laugh
laugh
laugh

I repeat: Islam does NOT support TERRORISM. But DEFENSE has been prescribed to all human kind. So sort yourself.

Here is the Hadith once more with context of a war (fight):
Allah's Apostle said, "You (i.e. Muslims) will fight with the Jews till some of them will hide behind stones. The stones will (betray them) saying, 'O 'Abdullah (i.e. slave of Allah)! There is a Jew hiding behind me; so kill him.' "

What does your Bible say?
Deuteronomy 13:7-11 ...your brother, mother, son, daughter or wife ...you must PUT THEM TO DEATH.... You must KILL HIM with your own hand... You must STONE HIM TO DEATH

1 Samuel 15:2,3: This is what the LORD Almighty says: 'Do not spare them; PUT TO DEATH men and WOMEN, CHILDREN and INFANTS, cattle and sheep, camels and DONKEYS.'"

Numbers 31:17,18: Now KILL ALL THE BOYS. And KILL EVERY WOMAN... but SAVE FOR YOURSELVES every GIRL...

Deuteronomy 20:16: ...DO NOT LEAVE ALIVE ANYTHING that breathes.

Very well, so you persist.

So those were the instructions to Israel. Read somewhere they are the instructions to christians?

When current Israel carry out these instructions by bombing Palestine, who rises in condemnation against them? Alphdoti.

Who attempts to reason with readers against the destruction of babies in Gaza? Alphdoti.

If they are doing what Allah wants, how dare you not embrace those carrying out these commands?

If the torah is, as you claim, authentic I want to see you champion and support it's execution in Gaza.

@muriel, like this command here?


Yes, Alphdoti, like that one.

Allah sent the torah, no? What they are doing in Gaza is Allah's will, is it not?

@muriel no, I don't believe God commanded people to smash infants on the walls. That is not God!!!

My bro, even you don't know that there is no original Torah anymore?
What you have is only "kumbu-kumbu Ya Taurati"... just a "remainder", hte rest is man-made as Jeremiah 8:8 tells you that bible has become "lies from the pen of the scribes has made it into falsehood".

But yes, what we should be having is Torah according to prophet Moses (peace be upon him). If you had the Torah in its original form, we would implement it.

What you see Israel doing is not following man made laws, killing children.

Islam does not support that.

Even in war, Islam is very clear about the mode of engagement. No killing children, women, animals, no destroying buildings, places of worship, trees etc.


Brother Alphdoti,

1. So you don't believe Allah commanded people to smash babies on walls
2. But you believe, and quote for readers benefit that Allah commanded people not to leave alive anything that breathes.
3. Yet you now say not leaving anything alive is not allah's laws but man made laws?

What's up with you and contradictions? Why are you quoting for us man made laws allegedly from your bible?

So having seen Muslims have been under attack from christians, it is time for muslims to defend themselves.

Islam indeed supports terrorism.
AlphDoti
#345 Posted : Tuesday, April 21, 2015 5:50:20 PM
Rank: Elder

Joined: 6/20/2008
Posts: 6,275
Location: Kenya
Muriel wrote:
AlphDoti wrote:
Muriel wrote:
AlphDoti wrote:
Muriel wrote:
AlphDoti wrote:
Muriel wrote:
symbols wrote:
AlphDoti wrote:

@Makali1 you have a loose mouth. I suspect your old name is @muriel. All hate has no impact, the religion of God keeps growing. Islam does not support terrorism.

Bukhari B.52,N.177 wrote wrote:
Narrated Abu Huraira: Allah’s Apostle said, “The Hour {of the Last Judgment} will not be established until you fight with the Jews, and the stone behind which a Jew will be hiding will say. “O Muslim! There is a Jew hiding behind me, so kill him.

Billions of Sunni Muslims are waiting to eradicate the Jews.

laugh
laugh
laugh

I repeat: Islam does NOT support TERRORISM. But DEFENSE has been prescribed to all human kind. So sort yourself.

Here is the Hadith once more with context of a war (fight):
Allah's Apostle said, "You (i.e. Muslims) will fight with the Jews till some of them will hide behind stones. The stones will (betray them) saying, 'O 'Abdullah (i.e. slave of Allah)! There is a Jew hiding behind me; so kill him.' "

What does your Bible say?
Deuteronomy 13:7-11 ...your brother, mother, son, daughter or wife ...you must PUT THEM TO DEATH.... You must KILL HIM with your own hand... You must STONE HIM TO DEATH

1 Samuel 15:2,3: This is what the LORD Almighty says: 'Do not spare them; PUT TO DEATH men and WOMEN, CHILDREN and INFANTS, cattle and sheep, camels and DONKEYS.'"

Numbers 31:17,18: Now KILL ALL THE BOYS. And KILL EVERY WOMAN... but SAVE FOR YOURSELVES every GIRL...

Deuteronomy 20:16: ...DO NOT LEAVE ALIVE ANYTHING that breathes.

Very well, so you persist.

So those were the instructions to Israel. Read somewhere they are the instructions to christians?

When current Israel carry out these instructions by bombing Palestine, who rises in condemnation against them? Alphdoti.

Who attempts to reason with readers against the destruction of babies in Gaza? Alphdoti.

If they are doing what Allah wants, how dare you not embrace those carrying out these commands?

If the torah is, as you claim, authentic I want to see you champion and support it's execution in Gaza.

@muriel, like this command here?


Yes, Alphdoti, like that one.

Allah sent the torah, no? What they are doing in Gaza is Allah's will, is it not?

@muriel no, I don't believe God commanded people to smash infants on the walls. That is not God!!!

My bro, even you don't know that there is no original Torah anymore?
What you have is only "kumbu-kumbu Ya Taurati"... just a "remainder", hte rest is man-made as Jeremiah 8:8 tells you that bible has become "lies from the pen of the scribes has made it into falsehood".

But yes, what we should be having is Torah according to prophet Moses (peace be upon him). If you had the Torah in its original form, we would implement it.

What you see Israel doing is not following man made laws, killing children.

Islam does not support that.

Even in war, Islam is very clear about the mode of engagement. No killing children, women, animals, no destroying buildings, places of worship, trees etc.

Brother Alphdoti,

1. So you don't believe Allah commanded people to smash babies on walls
2. But you believe, and quote for readers benefit that Allah commanded people not to leave alive anything that breathes.
3. Yet you now say not leaving anything alive is not allah's laws but man made laws?

What's up with you and contradictions? Why are you quoting for us man made laws allegedly from your bible?

So having seen Muslims have been under attack from christians, it is time for muslims to defend themselves.

Islam indeed supports terrorism.

1. No, God does not command evil things like that. It is the writers of the Bible who put that, as Jeremiah 8:8 says "pen of scribes has made God's law into falsehood"

2. Yes, I quote the verses to counter your stupid arguments

3. Allah does not say kill children, women, donkeys, and save young girls for yourself. So those verses are man-made.

No contradiction in Quran. But there are thousands in the Bible.

Which Muslims are under attack by Christians? Are you confusing Jews for Christians?

See what Jews think of you.

AlphDoti
#346 Posted : Tuesday, April 21, 2015 6:00:53 PM
Rank: Elder

Joined: 6/20/2008
Posts: 6,275
Location: Kenya
symbols wrote:
1.The Hadith says Muslims will be killing Jews in the future.You can't deny that.

2.Quran 9:29 is the justification of jizya.You can't deny that.

3.I have quoted you explain the jizya under Sharia law.You can't deny that.

Jizya and the fighting extends beyond the context of war or self-defense.You can't deny the verse and it's interpretation while accepting jizya.

Danganya toto jinga.Islam supports terrorism.

I repeat:
1. In a war. I already said that. What is the problem. But it does not say kill women and children like your Bible say!

2. 9:29 jizya means tax. Why should I deny it?

3. Why do you have to explain. It is self explanatory. You should be asking for this kind of govts.
This tax is much lower than the Zakat paid by the Muslims. So its payment gave non-Muslims equal citizenship rights with the Muslims besides exempting them from other responsibilities yet they practice their religion in peace. Payment of tax is a symbol of accepting to live under Islamic law; but they are free to practice their religion. This is the same as the taxes all Kenyans or Americans for example have to pay, whether Muslim or whatever. But people still practice their religion freely.
Makali1
#347 Posted : Tuesday, April 21, 2015 6:02:15 PM
Rank: New-farer

Joined: 4/13/2015
Posts: 73
AlphDoti wrote:

2. A man who ate food and went to the toilet was your God?
3. Somebody died for your sins? Your God was killed? So if you get yourself gonorrhea, Jesus gets the jap? How come you still toil to eat? So now saved women give birth without pain?



This is really all it boils down to: Jesus Christ.

Jesus Christ was fully man and fully GOD. The Jesus that Islam talks about is not the one that Christians follow.

Denying that Jesus Christ is the Mighty God, the Prince of Peace is the DEFINITION of anti-Christ.
In fact, I'm inspired to believe that Islam can be nothing else other than a doctrine from Hell.

If no one can come to the Father except through Him, that means Islamic doctrine is leading billions and billions straight to Hell, no compromise!

I hate Islamic doctrine, I don't hate Muslims.

You say that it is a growing movement. That doesn't give it legitimacy. Infact, the Bible predicts that evil will increase in the last days. Indeed, there's a correlation between the two.

To obtain Salvation, one MUST confess that Jesus Christ is their Lord and personal Savior. Nothing less than that!

In light of all this, how sweet to know that indeed God loved the world so much that He gave His only begotten Son to die for our sins. He was the perfect sacrifice. We don't have to be put to death as per Sharia Law or offer bulls for sacrifice. Jesus Christ paid that price once and for all.

He died and YET rose again. Mohammed is dead and has been dead for centuries. Yet our Christ CONQUERED DEATH, the GRAVE and HELL.

If Jesus Christ is the Prince of Peace and the Light of the World; anything that contradicts Christ cannot be peaceful. By their fruits you shall know them. Therefore, ISLAM can never be the religion of Peace or the way that leads to Paradise.

Its very inspiration comes from the pits of hell (sorry, but it's the truth).
Makali1
#348 Posted : Tuesday, April 21, 2015 6:21:30 PM
Rank: New-farer

Joined: 4/13/2015
Posts: 73
Quote by Alph Doti: By the way, Sharia will not affect anybody who is not Muslim, who is a law abiding citizen. You'll only be required to pay tax, less than 2.5% or there about per year, can you imagine!!! So if you compare 2.5% to 30% charged by Capitalist government, Islamic State is way far better.


ISIS is way better????!!

And you call yourself a "moderate Muslim?" If you say that what will the radicals say?

An analysis of the Koran, Sira and Hadith display the fact that there's no unmitigated good for the kafir. It's IMPOSSIBLE that the jizya tax was merciful to the kafir. That is simply not the nature of Islam.

Your WRONG interpretation of jizya tax is not in line with al-Razi, a Persian Sunni theologian and cleric, who's allowed to interpret Islamic text. So who should be believed more? Is it you? I don't think so!

"The intention of taking the jizya is not to approve the disbelief of non-Muslims in Islam, but rather to spare their lives and to give them some time; in hope that during it; they might stop to reflect on the virtues of Islam and its compelling arguments, and consequently converting from disbelief to belief. That's why it's important to pay the jizya with humiliation and servility, because naturally, any sensible person cannot stand humiliation and servility. So if the disbeliever is given some time watching the pride of Islam and hearing evidences of its authenticity, and see the humiliation of the disbelief, then apparently this might carry him to convert to Islam, and that's the main rationale behind the enactment of the jizya."

During the Mughal empire rule, the jizya protection tax was imposed at an inconsistent rate but was at least 50% of produce plus a fixed amount per person payable every month. Fast forward to 2015, Christians living under Sharia Law (by ISIS) are offered three choices: Islam; the dhimma contract – involving payment of Jizya; or death by the sword.
AlphDoti
#349 Posted : Tuesday, April 21, 2015 6:24:41 PM
Rank: Elder

Joined: 6/20/2008
Posts: 6,275
Location: Kenya
Makali1 wrote:
AlphDoti wrote:

2. A man who ate food and went to the toilet was your God?
3. Somebody died for your sins? Your God was killed? So if you get yourself gonorrhea, Jesus gets the jap? How come you still toil to eat? So now saved women give birth without pain?

This is really all it boils down to: Jesus Christ.

Jesus Christ was fully man and fully GOD. The Jesus that Islam talks about is not the one that Christians follow.

Denying that Jesus Christ is the Mighty God, the Prince of Peace is the DEFINITION of anti-Christ.
In fact, I'm inspired to believe that Islam can be nothing else other than a doctrine from Hell.

If no one can come to the Father except through Him, that means Islamic doctrine is leading billions and billions straight to Hell, no compromise!

I hate Islamic doctrine, I don't hate Muslims.

You say that it is a growing movement. That doesn't give it legitimacy. Infact, the Bible predicts that evil will increase in the last days. Indeed, there's a correlation between the two.

To obtain Salvation, one MUST confess that Jesus Christ is their Lord and personal Savior. Nothing less than that!

In light of all this, how sweet to know that indeed God loved the world so much that He gave His only begotten Son to die for our sins. He was the perfect sacrifice. We don't have to be put to death as per Sharia Law or offer bulls for sacrifice. Jesus Christ paid that price once and for all.

He died and YET rose again. Mohammed is dead and has been dead for centuries. Yet our Christ CONQUERED DEATH, the GRAVE and HELL.

If Jesus Christ is the Prince of Peace and the Light of the World; anything that contradicts Christ cannot be peaceful. By their fruits you shall know them. Therefore, ISLAM can never be the religion of Peace or the way that leads to Paradise.

Its very inspiration comes from the pits of hell (sorry, but it's the truth).

You're so angry smile

1. Show me in your Bible where Jesus said in his own words, equivocal words that "I AM GOD" or "WORSHIP ME". (I'm watching you run for John 1:1 smile )

2. Show me where the Quran contradicts Jesus.

3. I want to show you something you didn't know:
Jesus says: "Think not that I am come to bring peace on earth: I came NOT to send PEACE, but A SWORD" (Matthew 10:34)

Jesus says: "I have COME to bring FIRE on the earth" (Luke 12:49)

Jesus asked his disciples: "if you don't have a SWORD, sell your cloak and BUY ONE." (Luke 22:36)
AlphDoti
#350 Posted : Tuesday, April 21, 2015 6:35:44 PM
Rank: Elder

Joined: 6/20/2008
Posts: 6,275
Location: Kenya
Makali1 wrote:
Quote by Alph Doti: By the way, Sharia will not affect anybody who is not Muslim, who is a law abiding citizen. You'll only be required to pay tax, less than 2.5% or there about per year, can you imagine!!! So if you compare 2.5% to 30% charged by Capitalist government, Islamic State is way far better.

ISIS is way better????!!

And you call yourself a "moderate Muslim?" If you say that what will the radicals say?

An analysis of the Koran, Sira and Hadith display the fact that there's no unmitigated good for the kafir. It's IMPOSSIBLE that the jizya tax was merciful to the kafir. That is simply not the nature of Islam.

Your WRONG interpretation of jizya tax is not in line with al-Razi, a Persian Sunni theologian and cleric, who's allowed to interpret Islamic text. So who should be believed more? Is it you? I don't think so!

"The intention of taking the jizya is not to approve the disbelief of non-Muslims in Islam, but rather to spare their lives and to give them some time; in hope that during it; they might stop to reflect on the virtues of Islam and its compelling arguments, and consequently converting from disbelief to belief. That's why it's important to pay the jizya with humiliation and servility, because naturally, any sensible person cannot stand humiliation and servility. So if the disbeliever is given some time watching the pride of Islam and hearing evidences of its authenticity, and see the humiliation of the disbelief, then apparently this might carry him to convert to Islam, and that's the main rationale behind the enactment of the jizya."

During the Mughal empire rule, the jizya protection tax was imposed at an inconsistent rate but was at least 50% of produce plus a fixed amount per person payable every month. Fast forward to 2015, Christians living under Sharia Law (by ISIS) are offered three choices: Islam; the dhimma contract – involving payment of Jizya; or death by the sword.

@Makali1 ISIS is your model Sharia? I pity you smile
Here is my stand on those fellows link

ISIS, Al Qaeda, Taliban, Boko Haram, Al Shabaab are all criminal groups.

Now you need to do a lot of catch up bro smile



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