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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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muganda wrote:Gosh! That woman, the arguments... She would have to be an apostate (or heretic, or excommunicated). Any religion just can't handle that brazen truth! Jainism and Buddhism can listen. So why the hasty generalization?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 1/21/2010 Posts: 6,675 Location: Nairobi
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UpcomingPaperChaser wrote:Using numbers to confuse us isnt good at all. The % of Muslims who are misguided to kill in God's name is low but very lethal.
Why we still think that Muslims are terrorists is because as they continue maiming and slaughtering innocent people, the Muslim worshipers are all quiet like nothing is happening. If you want us to distance you from such allegations, why dont Muslims in the world unite and say with one voice that Islam is against the terror activities of Al Shabaab, Al Qaeda, ISIS, Boko Haram. It is only Muslims that will help win the war against terrorism because you need to distance the religion from the manipulation of these terrorists and tell them not to call themselves Muslims, otherwise, we will still see most Muslims are potential radicals and terrorists.  Tunisian Muslims against terror  Kenyan Muslims against terror  What more do you want? Maybe you want us to go to Mars and come back before you believe Muslims are not terrorists? Mark 12:29
Deuteronomy 4:16
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Rank: Member Joined: 11/19/2009 Posts: 3,142
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guru267 wrote:UpcomingPaperChaser wrote:Using numbers to confuse us isnt good at all. The % of Muslims who are misguided to kill in God's name is low but very lethal.
Why we still think that Muslims are terrorists is because as they continue maiming and slaughtering innocent people, the Muslim worshipers are all quiet like nothing is happening. If you want us to distance you from such allegations, why dont Muslims in the world unite and say with one voice that Islam is against the terror activities of Al Shabaab, Al Qaeda, ISIS, Boko Haram. It is only Muslims that will help win the war against terrorism because you need to distance the religion from the manipulation of these terrorists and tell them not to call themselves Muslims, otherwise, we will still see most Muslims are potential radicals and terrorists. Tunisian Muslims against terror Kenyan Muslims against terror What more do you want? Maybe you want us to go to Mars and come back before you believe Muslims are not terrorists? That will be great! The going ,,,,,
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/19/2013 Posts: 2,552
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Muriel wrote:guru267 wrote:UpcomingPaperChaser wrote:Using numbers to confuse us isnt good at all. The % of Muslims who are misguided to kill in God's name is low but very lethal.
Why we still think that Muslims are terrorists is because as they continue maiming and slaughtering innocent people, the Muslim worshipers are all quiet like nothing is happening. If you want us to distance you from such allegations, why dont Muslims in the world unite and say with one voice that Islam is against the terror activities of Al Shabaab, Al Qaeda, ISIS, Boko Haram. It is only Muslims that will help win the war against terrorism because you need to distance the religion from the manipulation of these terrorists and tell them not to call themselves Muslims, otherwise, we will still see most Muslims are potential radicals and terrorists. Tunisian Muslims against terror Kenyan Muslims against terror What more do you want? Maybe you want us to go to Mars and come back before you believe Muslims are not terrorists? That will be great! The going ,,,,, http://www.wazua.co.ke/f...&m=591824#post591824
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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guru267 wrote:UpcomingPaperChaser wrote:Using numbers to confuse us isnt good at all. The % of Muslims who are misguided to kill in God's name is low but very lethal.
Why we still think that Muslims are terrorists is because as they continue maiming and slaughtering innocent people, the Muslim worshipers are all quiet like nothing is happening. If you want us to distance you from such allegations, why dont Muslims in the world unite and say with one voice that Islam is against the terror activities of Al Shabaab, Al Qaeda, ISIS, Boko Haram. It is only Muslims that will help win the war against terrorism because you need to distance the religion from the manipulation of these terrorists and tell them not to call themselves Muslims, otherwise, we will still see most Muslims are potential radicals and terrorists.  Tunisian Muslims against terror Kenyan Muslims against terror What more do you want? Maybe you want us to go to Mars and come back before you believe Muslims are not terrorists? And @guru and @I always condemn it here online, everytime   
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Rank: Member Joined: 11/19/2009 Posts: 3,142
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symbols wrote:Muriel wrote:guru267 wrote:[quote=UpcomingPaperChaser]Using numbers to confuse us isnt good at all. The % of Muslims who are misguided to kill in God's name is low but very lethal.
Why we still think that Muslims are terrorists is because as they continue maiming and slaughtering innocent people, the Muslim worshipers are all quiet like nothing is happening. If you want us to distance you from such allegations, why dont Muslims in the world unite and say with one voice that Islam is against the terror activities of Al Shabaab, Al Qaeda, ISIS, Boko Haram. It is only Muslims that will help win the war against terrorism because you need to distance the religion from the manipulation of these terrorists and tell them not to call themselves Muslims, otherwise, we will still see most Muslims are potential radicals and terrorists. Tunisian Muslims against terror Kenyan Muslims against terror What more do you want? Maybe you want us to go to Mars and come back before you believe Muslims are not terrorists? That will be great! The going ,,,,, http://www.wazua.co.ke/f...amp;m=591824#post591824[/quote] The last time I heard, our fighers were having setbacks in the promised land.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/11/2012 Posts: 5,222
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guru267 wrote:UpcomingPaperChaser wrote:Using numbers to confuse us isnt good at all. The % of Muslims who are misguided to kill in God's name is low but very lethal.
Why we still think that Muslims are terrorists is because as they continue maiming and slaughtering innocent people, the Muslim worshipers are all quiet like nothing is happening. If you want us to distance you from such allegations, why dont Muslims in the world unite and say with one voice that Islam is against the terror activities of Al Shabaab, Al Qaeda, ISIS, Boko Haram. It is only Muslims that will help win the war against terrorism because you need to distance the religion from the manipulation of these terrorists and tell them not to call themselves Muslims, otherwise, we will still see most Muslims are potential radicals and terrorists. Tunisian Muslims against terror Kenyan Muslims against terror What more do you want? Maybe you want us to go to Mars and come back before you believe Muslims are not terrorists? I never thought I'd live to see the day!!! Maybe in Mars. Many Muslims may not be be pro-terror, but YOU @Guru are a terrorist! Pro-ISIS
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Rank: Member Joined: 8/7/2012 Posts: 180
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Dear Alphdoti,
I would like to respond to your article item by item but please tell me educate me on what "pbuh" means & its significance.
My response in black
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AlphDoti wrote:Jesus (pbuh) puts it straight in Matt 21:42 that: "prophethood will be given to another people who will bring forth good results because Jews kept killing prophets".
R1: I believe you meant Matt 21:43: which says; “Therefore I tell you that the kingdom of God will be taken away from you and given to a people who will produce its fruit.
NB: What will be taken away is the "kingdom of God" Not "prophethood". The to are different. Why did you mention "prophethood"?
Jesus (pbuh) tells them a day will come when they will not worship in Jerusalem. John 4:21.
Why? Because "...mnaabudu msichokijua"
Why? Because one day "... wale waabuduo halisi, watamwabudu Baba katika roho na kweli."
Now look at this: "Unabii Dhidi Ya Arabia" Isaiah 21:13.
Yaani "Neno kuhusu Arabia... katika vichaka vya Arabia".
R2: Arab is not only the region mentioned in the prophecies. Isaiah: 13-23,prophecies are listed for the following nations as well , Babylon,Assyria,Moab,Damascus,Egypt, Cush...
Isaiah 42:1-13 speaks of the beloved of God, a messenger who will bring down a law and "shall not fail nor be discouraged..."
Isaiah 42:11, connects that awaited one with the descendants of Ke'dar.
Who is Kedar?
According to Genesis 25:13, Ke'dar was the second son of Ishmael.
So which prophet was descended from Kedar, who descended from Ishmael?
R3: Please read the following carefully...
Doesn't Isaiah 42:1-4 & Isaiah 11:1-5 not speak of the same person?
Isn't that person a descendant of Jesse (Jesus)as per Isaiah 11:1-5 & NOT a descendant of Kedar (Muhammad)?
Now Let’s set the record straight.
First of all, Isaiah is a prophet whom the Qur’an NEVER mentioned by name, so how do Muslims actually know that he was one of the prophets since they also cling to the claim that the Bible is corrupt? According to Qur’an 2:79; muslim are subjected to eternal damnation for assuming things that Allah did not reveal, by suggesting that Isaiah 42 is from Allah.(if Isaiah was not a prophet),
Secondly, Isaiah was a prophet that explicitly prophesied the most about the coming Messiah. He talked about His virgin birth (Isaiah 7:14); His Deity – Immanuel, which means God with us (Isaiah 7:14), that He is a Mighty God (Isaiah 9:6-7); and His sacrificial death (Isaiah 53); which Islam completely denies.
So, how could this prophet (Isaiah) prophecy about a ‘supposed’ coming prophet (Muhammad), who would deny most of his prophecies; is beyond me!
Or, Muslims will have the answer which is, “Oh, all of his other prophecies are corrupted but this chapter 42 is definitely talking about Muhammad”.
Jesus said that He came to fulfil the law and the prophets (Matthew 5:17); thus we expect Him to fulfil Isaiah 42 if, indeed, He was telling the truth. So let’s see if Isaiah 42 if fulfilled in Him (Jesus):
Isaiah 42:1-4,
1 “Here is my servant, whom I uphold,
my chosen one in whom I delight;
I will put my Spirit on him,
and he will bring justice to the nations.
2 He will not shout or cry out,
or raise his voice in the streets.
3 A bruised reed he will not break,
and a smoldering wick he will not snuff out.
In faithfulness he will bring forth justice;
4 he will not falter or be discouraged
till he establishes justice on earth.
In his teaching the islands will put their hope.”
After Jesus healed a man on a Sabbath Day, the Pharisees conspired to kill Him but knowing what they planned to do to Him; Jesus didn’t confront them but rather simply left. When that happened, Matthew, quoting Isaiah 42:1-4, records:
14 Then the Pharisees went out, and held a council against him, how they might destroy him. 15 Jesus, perceiving that, withdrew from there. Great multitudes followed him; and he healed them all, 16 and commanded them that they should not make him known: 17 that it might BE FULFILLED which was spoken through ISAIAH THE PROPHET, saying, 18 “Behold, my servant whom I have chosen my beloved in whom my soul is well pleased: I will put my Spirit on him. He will proclaim justice to the nations. 19 He will not strive, nor shout; neither will anyone hear his voice in the streets. 20 He won’t break a bruised reed. He won’t quench smoking flax, until he leads justice to victory. 21 In his name, the nations will hope.” – Matthew 12:14-21
Peter re-echoed this in his epistle,
22 Who (Jesus) did no sin, neither was guile found in his mouth: 23 Who, when he was reviled, reviled not again; when he suffered, he threatened not; but committed himself to him that judgeth righteously – 1Peter 2:22-23
A similar verse as Isaiah 42 is Isaiah 61 which was also fulfilled by Jesus in Luke 4:16-21,
16 And he came to Nazareth, where he had been brought up: and, as his custom was, he went into the synagogue on the Sabbath day, and stood up for to read. 17 And there was delivered unto him the book of the prophet Esaias. And when he had opened the book, he found the place where it was written, 18 The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised, 19 To preach the acceptable year of the Lord. 20 And he closed the book, and he gave it again to the minister, and sat down. And the eyes of all them that were in the synagogue were fastened on him. 21 And he began to say unto them, this day is this scripture fulfilled in your ears. – Luke 4:16-21
Did Muhammad keep quiet when people stood against him? I don’t think so; he killed anyone standing on his way.
In the same Isaiah 42, God said His name is Yahweh (Isaiah 42:8), which Muhammad NEVER mentioned, why is that?
As we see, Isaiah 42 was fulfilled by Jesus already, so it is impossible that Muhammad came to fulfil it. Muhammad denied some of Isaiah’s prophecies, namely the Deity of Christ and His sacrificial death as mentioned above. Therefore, he was a false prophet and Muslims are condemned by their god for believing something that didn’t come from him.
Jesus called Himself, the Seal of prophets – the Last to come:
Do not work for the food that disappears, but for the food that remains to eternal life – the food which the Son of Man will give to you. For God the Father has put HIS SEAL OF APPROVAL on him.” – John 6:27
A parable about Him being the last to come,
1 He began to speak to them in parables. “A man planted a vineyard, put a hedge around it, dug a pit for the wine press, built a tower, rented it out to a farmer, and went into another country. 2 When it was time, he sent a servant to the farmer to get from the farmer his share of the fruit of the vineyard. 3 They took him, beat him, and sent him away empty. 4 Again, he sent another servant to them; and they threw stones at him, wounded him in the head, and sent him away shamefully treated. 5 Again he sent another; and they killed him; and many others, beating some, and killing some. 6 Therefore STILL HAVING ONE, HIS BELOVED SON, HE SENT HIM LAST to them, saying, ‘They will respect my son.’ 7 But those farmers said among themselves, ‘This is the heir. Come, let’s kill him, and the inheritance will be ours.’ 8 They took him, killed him, and cast him out of the vineyard.– Mark 12:1-8
The servants that were sent before the Son (Jesus) were the prophets. Jesus is the Son of God whom He sent last. No wonder the book of revelation records:
18 I testify to everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book, IF ANYONE ADDS to them, may God add to him the plagues which are written in this book. 19 IF ANYONE TAKES AWAY from the words of the book of this prophecy, may God take away his part from the tree of life, and out of the holy city, which are written in this book. – Revelation 22:18-19
Muhammad is a false prophet; he can never be the servant of God mentioned by Isaiah. He denied Jesus as the Son of God and God as Father. The Bible calls that type of person an antichrist and liar:
Who is the liar but he who denies that Jesus is the Christ? This is the Antichrist, HE WHO DENIES the Father and the Son. – 1 John 2:22
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Jesus said: "And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter..." John 14:16
Jesus said: "I must go away, for the comforter to come unto you..." John 16:7
Jesus said: "I have yet many things to say unto you... but you cannot listen to me now... but when he comes, he will guide you unto all truth" John 16:12-14
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NOTE: the holy Spirit has always been there
Before Jesus was born: Luke 1:15, Luke 1:41, 1:67.
During Jesus time: Luke 2:26, Luke 3:22, Matt 12:28, Luke 11:20.
Eagles don't flock, you have to find them one at a time.
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Rank: Member Joined: 12/17/2011 Posts: 887
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Wendz wrote:AlphDoti wrote:hamburglar wrote:symbols wrote:John 3:16 - For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. This verse is pure nonsense. Such a crock. This god guy seems to have so many issues. Did he have to have his son die so as to prove his love to us? What kind of warped reasoning is that? What does that prove other than showing how diabolical and acllous he is? Sacrificing his son? And he calls himself a loving god? Such crap. Another thing, isn't it dictatorial for him to say that unless we believe in him, we will perish? Can't we have a choice to believe in whatever and whoever else we want to without having an angry god burn us for not kissing his ass? Ati everlasting life. Why can't he just give everyone a good life while they are still here on earth? Do we have to wait until we die? Instead of protecting kids who were massacred in Garissa he is busy counting who is believing in him and who will perish. What an asshole god. Does he have a low self esteem that he has to be worshipped and be made to feel good about himself everytime? Do you religious people take time to rationalize these bible verses or you just blindly believe? Asking questions is the first step to being an independent thinker. These is one of the dumbest verses i have ever read and yet you people keep saying it like it's some eye opening advice. And for the record, when we die, we are dead meat, worm food, nobody resurrected. Your Jesus did not exist just like your god is imaginary and fictional. I feel sorry for you guys who can't reason. @hamburglar has a point this time. In fact, that verse has been removed from the Bible already and some people are still clinging to it like their lives depend on it   
BELOW AFTER THE SCHOLARS SAID THE WORDS WERE INTERPOLATIONS, INSERTIONS! @Alpha, yes, we still believe that Jesus was the Son of God and died for our sins. @Ham - I pray, that in your lifetime, some day, God will reveal Himself and you will proclaim that indeed, there is God. Never gonna happen. I actually am not interested in meeting this god guy so there is no need for him to reveal himself to me. How will it help mankind if he reveals himself to me? Instead of wasting time trying to reveal himself to me, why doesnt he reveal himself with enough food to the starving kids? Why doesnt he feveal himself to us with a cure for. Cancer instead? Why doesnt he reveal himself with a solution for world peace? I dont want to meet him and i never want for him to reveal himself to me. I just want for him to reveal himself where he is needed. If he reveals himself to me, he might not be able to answer my questions because i think he really needs to get his act together and get his priorities right. Am fine, i dont need to meet him, just tell him to do his "job". And if he wants to meet me and punish me for not kissing his ass, then tell him to hurry up and punish me. Tell him to strike me with lightning.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/2/2009 Posts: 26,331 Location: Masada
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hamburglar wrote:Wendz wrote:AlphDoti wrote:hamburglar wrote:symbols wrote:John 3:16 - For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. This verse is pure nonsense. Such a crock. This god guy seems to have so many issues. Did he have to have his son die so as to prove his love to us? What kind of warped reasoning is that? What does that prove other than showing how diabolical and acllous he is? Sacrificing his son? And he calls himself a loving god? Such crap. Another thing, isn't it dictatorial for him to say that unless we believe in him, we will perish? Can't we have a choice to believe in whatever and whoever else we want to without having an angry god burn us for not kissing his ass? Ati everlasting life. Why can't he just give everyone a good life while they are still here on earth? Do we have to wait until we die? Instead of protecting kids who were massacred in Garissa he is busy counting who is believing in him and who will perish. What an asshole god. Does he have a low self esteem that he has to be worshipped and be made to feel good about himself everytime? Do you religious people take time to rationalize these bible verses or you just blindly believe? Asking questions is the first step to being an independent thinker. These is one of the dumbest verses i have ever read and yet you people keep saying it like it's some eye opening advice. And for the record, when we die, we are dead meat, worm food, nobody resurrected. Your Jesus did not exist just like your god is imaginary and fictional. I feel sorry for you guys who can't reason. @hamburglar has a point this time. In fact, that verse has been removed from the Bible already and some people are still clinging to it like their lives depend on it
BELOW AFTER THE SCHOLARS SAID THE WORDS WERE INTERPOLATIONS, INSERTIONS! @Alpha, yes, we still believe that Jesus was the Son of God and died for our sins. @Ham - I pray, that in your lifetime, some day, God will reveal Himself and you will proclaim that indeed, there is God. Never gonna happen. I actually am not interested in meeting this god guy so there is no need for him to reveal himself to me. How will it help mankind if he reveals himself to me? Instead of wasting time trying to reveal himself to me, why doesnt he reveal himself with enough food to the starving kids? Why doesnt he feveal himself to us with a cure for. Cancer instead? Why doesnt he reveal himself with a solution for world peace? I dont want to meet him and i never want for him to reveal himself to me. I just want for him to reveal himself where he is needed. If he reveals himself to me, he might not be able to answer my questions because i think he really needs to get his act together and get his priorities right. Am fine, i dont need to meet him, just tell him to do his "job". And if he wants to meet me and punish me for not kissing his ass, then tell him to hurry up and punish me. Tell him to strike me with lightning. Say what?????? Portfolio: Sold
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