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AlphDoti wrote:guru267 wrote:.jpg) Submit to the power of the one God as Christ always did! Muslims are guided by true teachings of all prophets, including Jesus peace be upon him. Quran 1:4 - (Oh Allah) You alone we worship, you alone we ask for help. Jesus (pbuh) said I and the Father are one, is like me saying me and @guru are one in this. Jesus (pbuh) did not mean they are the same thing "physically", but in mission. 1. John 14:28 - Jesus says: My father is greater than I. 2. John 10:29 - Jesus says: My Fatrher is greater than all. 3. Matt 12:18 - Jesus says: I cast out devils with the spirit of God. 4. Luke 11:20 - Jesus says: I with the finger of God cast out devils. 5. John 05:30 - Jesus says: I can't of my own do nothing. AS I hear, I judge. For I speak not of my will, but the will of my Father. 6. Mark 13:32 - Jesus says: No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, not the son, but only the Father. 7. Luke 4:8 - Jesus says: It is written: 'worship the Lord your God and serve Him only'8. Luke 11:2 - Jesus says: Our Father in heaven, hallowed be thy name, may your will be done on earth as it is in heaven. NOTE: Not my will, but God's will 9. Matt 7:21 - Jesus says: None of those who call me lord will enter the kingdom of God, but only the one who does the will of my Father in heaven. NOTE: doing God's Will Anyone who says, not my will but God will is a Muslim. Muslim means the one submits his will to the will of God. Jesus Christ (pbuh) says, not my will but God's will. @ Alphadoti Jesus meant Him & the Father are one & he is God, because God is one. Otherwise why would he respond as follows; “Very truly I tell you,” Jesus answered, “before Abraham was born, I am!” (John 8:58 NIV) Eagles don't flock, you have to find them one at a time.
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Rank: Member Joined: 8/7/2012 Posts: 180
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AlphDoti wrote:jokes wrote:Siringi wrote:The title of this thread is a tad misleading  while Ijumaa is the official day for obligatory congregational prayers ... Not exactly like Sabath ?....from Mr Google..... allow me to C&P.. "Muslims observe five formal prayers each day. The timings of these prayers are spaced fairly evenly throughout the day, so that one is constantly reminded of God and given opportunities to seek His guidance and forgiveness. Muslims observe the formal prayers at the following times: Fajr (pre-dawn): This prayer starts off the day with the remembrance of God; it is performed before sunrise. Dhuhr (noon): After the day's work has begun, one breaks shortly after noon to again remember God and seek His guidance. 'Asr (afternoon): In the late afternoon, people are usually busy wrapping up the day's work, getting kids home from school, etc. It is an important time to take a few minutes to remember God and the greater meaning of our lives. Maghrib (sunset): Just after the sun goes down, Muslims remember God again as the day begins to come to a close. 'Isha (evening): Before retiring for the night, Muslims again take time to remember God's presence, guidance, mercy, and forgiveness. In Muslim communities, people are reminded of the daily prayer times through the calling of the adhan. is there a standard prayer for each of this sessions?
what are the exact times to pray?
what are the body movements for? e.g touch the head, touch your face , ears etc? @jokes 1. Yes, there is a standard prayer for each session. Some two cycles, some three cycles, and others four cycles. Duas are also standard and there are for all occasions. 2. Times of prayer is time period, but for in jamaat (in congregation) is timed/exact to ensure people pray together in planned manner Morning prayer (fajr) - 5:00am ( period from 5:00 - 5:45) Afternoon prayer (dhur) - 1:15pm ( period from 1:15-4:00) Mid-afternoon (asr) - 4:15pm ( period from 4:15-5:00) Evening (maghrib) - 6:45pm ( period 6:45-7:30) Night prayer (isha) - 8:15pm ( period 8:15-4:00am)   3. Body movements? Standing, bowing, prostration and sitting. @ Alphadoti; your explanation above is similar to what a woman said to Jesus about how their religion prays. But Jesus corrected her & told her the only correct way to pray/worship. Unfortunately there was no emphasis on physical body maneuvers, but rather the emphasis is on the unseen aspect while praying. See the conversation below ; “Sir,” the woman said, “I can see that you are a prophet. Our ancestors worshiped on this mountain, but you Jews claim that the place where we must worship is in Jerusalem.” “Woman,” Jesus replied, “believe me, a time is coming when you will worship the Father neither on this mountain nor in Jerusalem. You Samaritans worship what you do not know; we worship what we do know, for salvation is from the Jews. Yet a time is coming and has now come when the true worshipers will worship the Father in the Spirit and in truth, for they are the kind of worshipers the Father seeks. God is spirit, and his worshipers must worship in the Spirit and in truth.” (John 4:19-24 NIV) Eagles don't flock, you have to find them one at a time.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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Behemoth wrote:AlphDoti wrote:guru267 wrote:Submit to the power of the one God as Christ always did! Muslims are guided by true teachings of all prophets, including Jesus peace be upon him. Quran 1:4 - (Oh Allah) You alone we worship, you alone we ask for help. Jesus (pbuh) said I and the Father are one, is like me saying me and @guru are one in this. Jesus (pbuh) did not mean they are the same thing "physically", but in mission. 1. John 14:28 - Jesus says: My father is greater than I. 2. John 10:29 - Jesus says: My Fatrher is greater than all. 3. Matt 12:18 - Jesus says: I cast out devils with the spirit of God. 4. Luke 11:20 - Jesus says: I with the finger of God cast out devils. 5. John 05:30 - Jesus says: I can't of my own do nothing. AS I hear, I judge. For I speak not of my will, but the will of my Father. 6. Mark 13:32 - Jesus says: No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, not the son, but only the Father. 7. Luke 4:8 - Jesus says: It is written: 'worship the Lord your God and serve Him only'8. Luke 11:2 - Jesus says: Our Father in heaven, hallowed be thy name, may your will be done on earth as it is in heaven. NOTE: Not my will, but God's will 9. Matt 7:21 - Jesus says: None of those who call me lord will enter the kingdom of God, but only the one who does the will of my Father in heaven. NOTE: doing God's Will Anyone who says, not my will but God will is a Muslim. Muslim means the one submits his will to the will of God. Jesus Christ (pbuh) says, not my will but God's will. @Alphadoti how about this verse : Philip said, “Lord, show us the Father and that will be enough for us.” Jesus answered: “Don’t you know me, Philip, even after I have been among you such a long time? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, ‘Show us the Father’? Don’t you believe that I am in the Father, and that the Father is in me? The words I say to you I do not speak on my own authority. Rather, it is the Father, living in me, who is doing his work. Believe me when I say that I am in the Father and the Father is in me; or at least believe on the evidence of the works themselves. (John 14:8-11 NIV) @Behemoth, thank you for asking. This was the answer given by Jesus peace be upon him (pbuh) when he was asked the way. Go one verse back, John 14:7, Jesus is telling his companions " if you had known me you would have known my father also." So from this, we understand what Jesus meant when he said that he was the way, the truth, and the light. He is saying whoever knows, obeys, and follows me knows and obeys God because it is He who sent me. This statement confirms what I listed above in my previous post where I said Jesus' statement applies to every Prophet and messenger because the Prophet is not following his own ideas, he is following the revelation of God. That way he becomes the way to God, and Light to God and eventually leading to Life.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 1/21/2010 Posts: 6,675 Location: Nairobi
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Behemoth wrote:AlphDoti wrote:guru267 wrote:Submit to the power of the one God as Christ always did! Muslims are guided by true teachings of all prophets, including Jesus peace be upon him. Quran 1:4 - (Oh Allah) You alone we worship, you alone we ask for help. Jesus (pbuh) said I and the Father are one, is like me saying me and @guru are one in this. Jesus (pbuh) did not mean they are the same thing "physically", but in mission. 1. John 14:28 - Jesus says: My father is greater than I. 2. John 10:29 - Jesus says: My Fatrher is greater than all. 3. Matt 12:18 - Jesus says: I cast out devils with the spirit of God. 4. Luke 11:20 - Jesus says: I with the finger of God cast out devils. 5. John 05:30 - Jesus says: I can't of my own do nothing. AS I hear, I judge. For I speak not of my will, but the will of my Father. 6. Mark 13:32 - Jesus says: No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, not the son, but only the Father. 7. Luke 4:8 - Jesus says: It is written: 'worship the Lord your God and serve Him only'8. Luke 11:2 - Jesus says: Our Father in heaven, hallowed be thy name, may your will be done on earth as it is in heaven. NOTE: Not my will, but God's will 9. Matt 7:21 - Jesus says: None of those who call me lord will enter the kingdom of God, but only the one who does the will of my Father in heaven. NOTE: doing God's Will Anyone who says, not my will but God will is a Muslim. Muslim means the one submits his will to the will of God. Jesus Christ (pbuh) says, not my will but God's will. @ Alphadoti Jesus meant Him & the Father are one & he is God, because God is one. Otherwise why would he respond as follows; “ Very truly I tell you,” Jesus answered, “before Abraham was born, I am!” (John 8:58 NIV) Before Abraham.... What about before Noah or before Adam! The above statement only shows that the Spirit of Jesus (pbuh) was created before Abraham which is no big deal for the Almighty. Mark 12:29
Deuteronomy 4:16
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 12/11/2006 Posts: 930
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Been watching youtube clips by Ayaan hirsi Ali and finding alot of truths. Watch her arguments about islam not being a religion of peace and decide “Invest in yourself. Your career is the engine of your wealth.”
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Rank: Member Joined: 1/20/2015 Posts: 489 Location: Nairobi
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In however much you will try to portray Islam to be a peaceful and good religion, i'd rather worship a cow or a stone carving facing a mountain rather than worship a god through a prophet that massacred so many innocent human beings. in responding to all these issues, you should ask yourself why Islam is the only religion that can be manipulated so easily to make extremists?????? all the other religions how comes the believers are not as indoctrinated as Muslims? if Islam never existed, the world would be very peaceful. Enjoy every moment of your life, you never know when your time will come.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 12/11/2006 Posts: 930
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Rank: Elder Joined: 1/21/2010 Posts: 6,675 Location: Nairobi
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UpcomingPaperChaser wrote:In however much you will try to portray Islam to be a peaceful and good religion, i'd rather worship a cow or a stone carving facing a mountain rather than worship a god through a prophet that massacred so many innocent human beings. in responding to all these issues, you should ask yourself why Islam is the only religion that can be manipulated so easily to make extremists?????? all the other religions how comes the believers are not as indoctrinated as Muslims? if Islam never existed, the world would be very peaceful. And the ignorant open their mouth again.... How many innocent people did the beloved Joshua massacre as he entered Jericho? How many innocent people did the beloved Moses massacre as he led his people to the "promised land"?? How many innocent people did the beloved David massacre as he defended his kingdom??? As for peaceful religions there is no religion to have ever existed that has caused more death than Christianity... The Roman Catholic Hitler massacred how many Jews again?? How many innocent people did the crusaders kill for not converting to Christianity?? Isn't the most wanted man globally is the leader of a Christian terrorist organization called the "Lord Resistance Army"?? NKT!! Mark 12:29
Deuteronomy 4:16
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Rank: Elder Joined: 1/21/2010 Posts: 6,675 Location: Nairobi
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ngapat wrote:Been watching youtube clips by Ayaan hirsi Ali and finding alot of truths. Watch her arguments about islam not being a religion of peace and decide Propaganda from a misguided woman mistook Arab culture for Islam!   Mark 12:29
Deuteronomy 4:16
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/19/2013 Posts: 2,552
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guru267 wrote:UpcomingPaperChaser wrote:In however much you will try to portray Islam to be a peaceful and good religion, i'd rather worship a cow or a stone carving facing a mountain rather than worship a god through a prophet that massacred so many innocent human beings. in responding to all these issues, you should ask yourself why Islam is the only religion that can be manipulated so easily to make extremists?????? all the other religions how comes the believers are not as indoctrinated as Muslims? if Islam never existed, the world would be very peaceful. And the ignorant open their mouth again.... How many innocent people did the beloved Joshua massacre as he entered Jericho? How many innocent people did the beloved Moses massacre as he led his people to the "promised land"?? How many innocent people did the beloved David massacre as he defended his kingdom??? As for peaceful religions there is no religion to have ever existed that has caused more death than Christianity... The Roman Catholic Hitler massacred how many Jews again?? How many innocent people did the crusaders kill for not converting to Christianity?? Isn't the most wanted man globally is the leader of a Christian terrorist organization called the "Lord Resistance Army"?? NKT!! John 16:1-4 wrote:
I have told you all this so that you will not turn away from the truth. You will be thrown out of the synagogue. In fact, the time is coming when someone may kill you. And they will think they are doing God a favor. They will do things like that because they do not know the Father or me. Why have I told you this? So that when their time comes, you will remember that I warned you about them. I didn’t tell you this from the beginning because I was with you.
Bukhari B.52,N.177 wrote:Narrated Abu Huraira: Allah’s Apostle said, “The Hour {of the Last Judgment} will not be established until you fight with the Jews, and the stone behind which a Jew will be hiding will say. “O Muslim! There is a Jew hiding behind me, so kill him.
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