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Kenya Airways...why ignore..
obiero
#1591 Posted : Monday, April 06, 2015 2:45:08 PM
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was at the bar yesterday and my long time friends made me understand in detail that KQ is in much troubled waters than anyone really knows. even the ceo doesnt know how bad the situation is..
COOP, IMH, KEGN, KQ, MTNU
maka
#1592 Posted : Monday, April 06, 2015 3:02:27 PM
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obiero wrote:
was at the bar yesterday and my long time friends made me understand in detail that KQ is in much troubled waters than anyone really knows. even the ceo doesnt know how bad the situation is..


Boss I have always told you...it's sad,very sad....and I told you remember Sabena.
possunt quia posse videntur
kryptonite
#1593 Posted : Monday, April 06, 2015 3:30:47 PM
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obiero wrote:
was at the bar yesterday and my long time friends made me understand in detail that KQ is in much troubled waters than anyone really knows. even the ceo doesnt know how bad the situation is..


So are you staying put or jettisoning your holding?
The harder you work, the luckier you get
Fomoney
#1594 Posted : Monday, April 06, 2015 4:04:33 PM
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Boss I have always told you...it's sad,very sad....and I told you remember Sabena.[/quote]

And there was PANAM too! Was biggest international air carrier in the US before collapsing in 1991. Former CEO and the board were incompetent and for that reason, I'm out.Sad
obiero
#1595 Posted : Monday, April 06, 2015 4:44:00 PM
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kryptonite wrote:
obiero wrote:
was at the bar yesterday and my long time friends made me understand in detail that KQ is in much troubled waters than anyone really knows. even the ceo doesnt know how bad the situation is..


So are you staying put or jettisoning your holding?

Im not loading up any more until the full year results. Will look at the financials wit a fine eye, then decide..
COOP, IMH, KEGN, KQ, MTNU
VituVingiSana
#1596 Posted : Monday, April 06, 2015 5:25:09 PM
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obiero wrote:
kryptonite wrote:
obiero wrote:
was at the bar yesterday and my long time friends made me understand in detail that KQ is in much troubled waters than anyone really knows. even the ceo doesnt know how bad the situation is..


So are you staying put or jettisoning your holding?

Im not loading up any more until the full year results. Will look at the financials wit a fine eye, then decide..

Join us on the ride to the top with KK. I like you. And i spent many hours over the past 2 years warning you, explaining to you, typing out long e-mails... Anyway, we all have to learn the hard way... I learnt the hard way too.

One more lesson: Cut your losses and run. I sold out at a huge loss between 13-14. No regrets. Those funds were deployed elsewhere and these made me money.
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
MaichBlack
#1597 Posted : Monday, April 06, 2015 5:34:11 PM
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Fomoney wrote:
Former CEO and the board were incompetent and for that reason, I'm out.Sad

Stolen from the dragons in "the den"??
Never count on making a good sale. Have the purchase price be so attractive that even a mediocre sale gives good returns.
MaichBlack
#1598 Posted : Monday, April 06, 2015 5:45:33 PM
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obiero wrote:
was at the bar yesterday and my long time friends made me understand in detail that KQ is in much troubled waters than anyone really knows. even the ceo doesnt know how bad the situation is..

Monday 6th April 2015.

This will go down in history. The day @Obiero finally gave up on KQ. The biggest proponent of KQ around! The biggest proponent of any share/company around!! The guy who sold KCB and put money in KQ!!!
Never count on making a good sale. Have the purchase price be so attractive that even a mediocre sale gives good returns.
MaichBlack
#1599 Posted : Monday, April 06, 2015 6:10:27 PM
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Everybody should go back to post# 1 by @ProverB!!!

I am sure people have forgotten where it all started. He saw the light 5 years ago!! The share was then going for Kshs. 50/= plus!!! Everyone was given a chance to disembark. A very nice breakdown and explanation was given. People ignored even though the title of the thread was "why ignore?". Others promised to buy more!

Hats off @ProverB. You deserve some Legend status. Anyone who listened to you and had a significant holding must have saved millions. They should be looking for you with a brown envelope and a bottle of Johnnie Walker’s Diamond Jubilee whisky!!!
Never count on making a good sale. Have the purchase price be so attractive that even a mediocre sale gives good returns.
Gatheuzi
#1600 Posted : Monday, April 06, 2015 6:19:18 PM
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ProverB wrote:

For the year ended 31st March 2010, Kenya Airways Ltd recorded Total revenue of Kshs 70,743,000,000.00, and the company’s
Operating Profit amounted to Kshs 1,839,000,000.00

Operating margin = (Operating Profit /Revenues) x 100.
= (1,839,000,000.00 / 70,743,000,000.00) x 100 = 2.6%

Out of every Kshs1.00 Kenya Airways collected as revenue in the year, it retained only Kshs 0.03, as operating profit after paying for the operational expenses incurred in getting that Kshs 1.00
It is out of that 3Cents that Kenya Airways is to pay out financial costs as well as taxes and the balance retained as profits for share holders.

Should we choose to focus only on the company’s core business operations, Kenya Airways operational performance for the just ended period is rather dismal compared to the previous periodsSad
 For 2010, Kenya Airways had an operating margin of 2.6%
 For 2009, the operating margin was 5.6%
 For 2008, the operating margin was 11.6%
 For 2007, the operating margin was 13.1%
Declining operating margins over time should be a warning sign to any investor. d'oh!

On average, out of every kshs1 in revenues that Kenya Airways collects annually, it has overtime paid more and more in operational costs. It could imply that the company is having difficulty in bringing in revenues considering that it registered slightly declined revenues compared to the previous year, or that the management is facing increasing challenges in improving the company’s Operational Efficiency.
The 54.5% decline in Operating Profits might explain why despite reporting 148% improvement in earnings, the share registered a 8% decline in trading price as soon as results were published.

A lot is learnt by observing Operating profits trend over time, but it should not be the only factor one considers when planning whether or not the Kenya Airways shares are a viable investment.smile

Ceteris paribus.Pray


Posted 8th June 2010. Operaring Margin drop was the main message here.
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