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Kenya Diaspora Conference
maka
#31 Posted : Thursday, April 02, 2015 12:51:11 AM
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#32 Posted : Thursday, April 02, 2015 1:01:59 AM
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Uhuru should never attend that conference again if they are asking such silly questions. the only serious question was from the researcher from canada. the lady frm germany introduced herself as a manufacturer then goes on to beg for support to pursue MBA n germany wtf! I expected a question on her line of business. huyo hakosi hutengeneza maziwa mala kwa keja na kujiita manufacturer
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#33 Posted : Thursday, April 02, 2015 9:49:00 AM
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That is not true and the challenge is on them now. There is nothing they can claim not to be aware of,” he said. “If these traditional markets (for our tourism) don’t want to come, tell them we are also tired of kneeling before them all the time


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We want to send a clear message that they will not intimidate us with these threats


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I have not heard the British issue travel advisories against Paris (where terrorists attacked the headquarters of a satirical magazine in January). I have not heard the British issue travel advisories against other European capitals
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JkMwatha
#34 Posted : Friday, April 03, 2015 12:36:14 PM
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The Investment Conference ' A shadow of expectations'

Great Content ‘Wrong Audience’

The program’s committee prepared a content rich program with expert speakers sourced from the industry, however the audience was wanting’ judging from the Q& A interactive session with the president’

The ‘pre-selected’ Diaspora Representatives in the Q&A, showed lack of depth in expressing the needs of the Diaspora.  Instead of proffering tangible issues the said reps insisted on flimsies such questions on Marriage/marriage certificates, recognition of pastors, social media policy and awkward statements praising the opportunity to be allowed to vote so they ‘can vote for President Kenyatta’ were raised.

A notable contribution was made by Dr. Mutua a Kenyan living in Japan whose address on behalf of the diaspora was able to capture key issues of concern to the Diaspora.  He commended the President on his work so far and the recent commitment to fight corruption and spoke of the desire by Kenyans to participate in the electoral process during the next general elections.

The sponsors mostly from the financial institutions too were concerned that the high net worth individuals from the Diaspora with capabilities of pulling together resources to  INVEST  were not represented.

The content of the 2 day program was rich on paper, but ......

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http://www.kenyalondonnews.org/?p=9739
alma
#35 Posted : Friday, April 03, 2015 12:59:58 PM
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JKMwatha as is expected in such talks, I want to thank the gov't of Kenya for offering this platform.

That's it.

If you say that the content was great provided by the gov't but the participants were weak its like saying security inaanza na wewe.

Conferences are not made for political appointees with their crazy policy statements. They are made for the participants.

If the participants were bored, don't blame them. It shows that there's a disconnect with what the gov't wants and what the diasporans want.

First, the so called diasporans had no clue this was going on. Advertising in the Daily Nation does not reach the diasporan. You say "pre-selected" representatives. Who selected them? Blame the pre-selectors.

I met with many Diasporans now living in Kenya and some that were on holiday. Very many. We know what lacked in this. In fact, there's a move to create one such conference in which the gov't is invited but not allowed to draw the agenda.

Sponsors for this event were in two categories. Category 1 were the financial institutions hawking 14% mortgages. Some don't even have internet banking. Now imagine trying to sell a 14% mortgage to someone who's paying 3% max? Do you see a disconnect here?

Category 2, the property fellows selling overpriced properties. Why ati coz diasporans are stupid to buy 50x100 in Kiambu at 20 million? We engaged with one asking a simple question, how sure are you that the title deed you have is not in shape of Langata road property. The answer, you can trust us?

Listen, this trust issue has to be dealt with before you get people to start clapping every time some gov't official yaps about plot buying opportunities in Kenya.

One high networth individual we had Faxe with could not stop complaining about how he was conned of property worth millions of dollars. Then he got no help, as in nada, nada from the same people making those godammed high content conferences.

High content is relative and obviously something was lacking in this "content rich" event.

Having said that, I have to say the ambassadors I met in this event were fantastic to engage with. Ambassador Wamoto and Ambassador Ogego gave a few of us a better understanding on what the gov't was trying to do with this event. It was the best 15 minutes for me personally in the whole conference. By the way it was an impromptu chat, not in the conference agenda. But it got us thinking.

Great event but don't go around blaming diasporans for not engaging at the level you wanted. Don't forget that the joke about travel advisories was negated the very next day. How do the diasporans trust the gov't should have been the first agenda. Not property selling companies with their quarter acre tu plots.
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JkMwatha
#36 Posted : Friday, April 03, 2015 2:40:49 PM
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@alma, I agree with a lot of what you state here...

I am a diasporan (well... may be most of the time) ...but I must say that may be I should have indicated that those were not my views but those of some reporter of KenyaLondonNews
As much as I agree with some of their content I don't agree with it all.

Some of the fellows who stood up to ask questions, were wanting. May be some of the ones you had a chance to chat with should have been the ones asking questions rather than for example that chap from Ghana.
This means that the organisers had not properly prepared the conference.
innairobi
#37 Posted : Friday, April 03, 2015 6:30:13 PM
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Classic example of the dangers of a 'single story'.

The Kenyan Diaspora is just as (if not more) diverse as the Kenyan population. And this diversity cuts across the financial, educational, experience and other divides. There are very well off diasporans and others who essentially live hand to mouth. Some are highly educated and others not. Some running successful businesses or in 'big money' jobs while others have to make do with low paying work. Some send tons of cash to Kenya while others can barely afford to. They cut across the entire spectrum. It is only with this understanding that one can temper expectations on any generic congregation of the Kenyan Diaspora.

If it is general diaspora issues like the ability to vote, that is all well and good. If the goal is more specific such as investment, the onus is on the organizers of such an event to narrow their audience through targeted advertising, respectable entrance fees, appropriate event location, pre-screening etc.
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#38 Posted : Friday, April 03, 2015 8:17:12 PM
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innairobi wrote:
Classic example of the dangers of a 'single story'.

The Kenyan Diaspora is just as (if not more) diverse as the Kenyan population. And this diversity cuts across the financial, educational, experience and other divides. There are very well off diasporans and others who essentially live hand to mouth. Some are highly educated and others not. Some running successful businesses or in 'big money' jobs while others have to make do with low paying work. Some send tons of cash to Kenya while others can barely afford to. They cut across the entire spectrum. It is only with this understanding that one can temper expectations on any generic congregation of the Kenyan Diaspora.

If it is general diaspora issues like the ability to vote, that is all well and good. If the goal is more specific such as investment, the onus is on the organizers of such an event to narrow their audience through targeted advertising, respectable entrance fees, appropriate event location, pre-screening etc.


Yes, targeted! I don't need to attend a conference to figure out where to open a $-denominated account or to be marketed over-valued plots. And yes, the so called diaspora (who named us that anyways!) are varied in all manners - so an open conference ought to address general issues like voting rights or duty exemption on goods when returning to Kenya. Hii ingine ya investment, there is too much conning in many places (incl own relas) I prefer to do due diligence on my own before trusting my little hard earned $$ with anyone. Certainly I will not consider taking a 14% mortgage if I can borrow funds at 5% and buy property for cash...just saying.
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#39 Posted : Friday, April 03, 2015 10:04:53 PM
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If you haven't been successful in Diaspora, it's really hard to see you moving to Kenya and being successful. You either have it or you don't.
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