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Olympia Capital Holdings
RichVee
#1 Posted : Friday, February 19, 2010 8:41:03 AM
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Has anyone invested in Olympia?
What do Wazurians think of it?
Right now the price is low at 6.85...

Any insights will be greatly appreciated.
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VituVingiSana
#2 Posted : Friday, February 19, 2010 8:48:30 AM
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I saw an article or interview (CNBC Africa) [1-2 months ago] in which the MD said they expect profits of 40mn (EPS of 1/-). So not bad on that basis.
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muganda
#3 Posted : Friday, February 19, 2010 8:55:47 AM
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@VituVingiSana, beat me to the punch. But I'd looked at this Olympia for some time, with anticipation, then it all fell apart.

I also see potential gain. Consider though, counter is not very fluid.
Don't know whether the fruits of business growth are what will come through in the results? Improvement may only reflect restructuring or stop of blood-letting.
guru267
#4 Posted : Friday, February 19, 2010 9:01:53 AM
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@rich vee.. this stock has been really beaten up due to the rough times its had before..
but it did a major restructuring of its balance sheet and took alot of debt off it..
it is also likely to benefit greatly from a recovery in south africa and botswana..
it is also diversifying its business out of construction into venture capital and food business...

All these factors have led me to believe this stock has good days ahead hence in around april i'm about to put a major chunk of my holdings into it...

but please @richvee do alot of your own research first because this is a small cap stock and they tend to be very dangerous/rewarding depending on ones choice...
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VituVingiSana
#5 Posted : Friday, February 19, 2010 9:04:19 AM
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Unless you are buying/selling large numbers of shares, it seems pretty liquid (by Kenyan standards)... I notice nowadays (since the Rights Issue + price dip below 10), it trades 3,000 - 20,000 shares daily...

The year end is weird (28 Feb)... so official results should be out in 3-5 months.
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mukiha
#6 Posted : Friday, February 19, 2010 9:18:03 AM
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I went in during the South African expansion craze; burnt several fingers and got out...at 9bob...and never looked back
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VituVingiSana
#7 Posted : Friday, February 19, 2010 9:42:23 AM
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mukiha wrote:
I went in during the South African expansion craze; burnt several fingers and got out...at 9bob...and never looked back

But also note the price is down 25% since...
(Rights was at 14/-)

And Safaricom was down 40% at one point from IPO price...

So who knows?
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gathinga
#8 Posted : Friday, February 19, 2010 10:05:14 AM
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This thing is a fraud!!!. I would not touch anything run by Michael Matu.
Sample this;

2006: Olympia capital purchases Plush Products (Pty) Ltd in South Africa, for Kshs 180m.
Sept 2007: Olympia raises Kshs. 420m in the NSE in a just fully subscribed rights issue.
2007: Olympia acquired an additional 20% of Avon Ltd from wavon Limited (which is owned by the same directors - sic MATU wamae family). The company owns property in Industrial Area Nairobi. This is done based on 'directors valuation' and not and independent valuation as should be the case for property of such value.
Jan 2009: Plush products is closed down, ostensibly over business model gone wrong/strong retailer influence. Never mind that this company was already in operation prior to Olympia coming in

I sense lack of full disclosure on the part of the directors and manipulation of information, even insider trading from this.

the link below will be useful

http://www.nation.co.ke/...n/-/rhc8k4z/-/index.html
guru267
#9 Posted : Friday, February 19, 2010 10:23:22 AM
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@gathinga.. how recent/old is that article..??? because recently i'm aware the company is on a major drive to sort itself out
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RichVee
#10 Posted : Friday, February 19, 2010 10:25:10 AM
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[quote=gathinga]This thing is a fraud!!!. I would not touch anything run by Michael Matu.
Sample this;

2006: Olympia capital purchases Plush Products (Pty) Ltd in South Africa, for Kshs 180m.
Sept 2007: Olympia raises Kshs. 420m in the NSE in a just fully subscribed rights issue.
2007: Olympia acquired an additional 20% of Avon Ltd from wavon Limited (which is owned by the same directors - sic MATU wamae family). The company owns property in Industrial Area Nairobi. This is done based on 'directors valuation' and not and independent valuation as should be the case for property of such value.
Jan 2009: Plush products is closed down, ostensibly over business model gone wrong/strong retailer influence. Never mind that this company was already in operation prior to Olympia coming in

I sense lack of full disclosure on the part of the directors and manipulation of information, even insider trading from this.

the link below will be useful

http://www.nation.co.ke/.../-/rhc8k4z/-/index.html[/quote]

Wow, that was quite an eye opening article!
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RichVee
#11 Posted : Friday, February 19, 2010 10:26:57 AM
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@guru - it is dated June 2009. Not too far off...
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VituVingiSana
#12 Posted : Friday, February 19, 2010 10:28:10 AM
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LOL... Talking of which... someone just bought ALL (over 20,000 shares) the Olympia on offer... The latest price I saw was 7.40

I read the article but I think it has been superseded by what happened afterwards. The AGM was moto-moto & the Board released new Corporate Governance guidelines. I am trying to find that link.
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RichVee
#13 Posted : Friday, February 19, 2010 10:32:12 AM
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Is there any rule that governs the proportion of shareholding of listed companies, vis a vis original owners% and the % of floated shares? Sort of to prevent the main owners running amok unchecked?
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guru267
#14 Posted : Friday, February 19, 2010 10:33:29 AM
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@VVS please do find it.. i'm anxiously waiting...
my wealth depends on it... Anxious
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gathinga
#15 Posted : Friday, February 19, 2010 10:38:47 AM
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VituVingiSana wrote:
LOL...

I. The AGM was moto-moto & the Board released new Corporate Governance guidelines. I am trying to find that link.


That's interesting considering the above article. please post the link
VituVingiSana
#16 Posted : Friday, February 19, 2010 10:40:58 AM
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http://bankelele.blogspo...ia-capital-2009-agm.html
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gathinga
#17 Posted : Friday, February 19, 2010 10:58:38 AM
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gathinga wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
LOL...

I. The AGM was moto-moto & the Board released new Corporate Governance guidelines. I am trying to find that link.


That's interesting considering the above article. please post the link


@VVS. this is noit exactly moto-moto. There were serious questions raised. Regarding re-entry into South Africa, I note that this has not been achieved though there are plans to do so. There is no guarantee that this time round, things will be smooth. Besides, this investment if down in the first half of 2010 can only pay off later in 2011 or 2012, coz of the huge costs outlay involved in entering a new market.

My biggest problem with Olympia is one.
Why do they want to hold small market shares in many markets (kenya, SA, Botswana, Mozambique, and now Zambia and Zibambwe) in stead of developing one main market where they build a significant market share like EA Cables, EABL, Bamburi, ARM Etc have done.

The management of Olympia appears not ti be clear what their core business is!! Is it property or manufacturing? Neither do they know what are their main products? Is it tiles or?????

How can they close a company in SA in 2009, citing hostile retailers and get back in the same mamrket less than one year later. It appears they want to be in SA whether making loses or not? A case of egos

Someone please explain to me why Olympia borrowed from Avon while at the same time buying a additional 20% stake in the company in cash???

Ati corporate governance. This company has the worst corporate governance at the NSE. First, they don't meet NSE reporting deadlines for full year financial s and have had t pay fines in the last two financial years. I guess it takes time to cook books

VituVingiSana
#18 Posted : Friday, February 19, 2010 10:59:53 AM
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http://allafrica.com/stories/201001210882.html
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guru267
#19 Posted : Friday, February 19, 2010 11:08:29 AM
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gathinga wrote:
[quote=gathinga]

How can they close a company in SA in 2009, citing hostile retailers and get back in the same mamrket less than one year later. It appears they want to be in SA whether making loses or not? A case of egos


@gathinga the CEO said the first time round they entered the SA market riddled with debt so they exited to clear their balance sheet and now they are re-entering mostly debt free...
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RichVee
#20 Posted : Friday, February 19, 2010 11:11:24 AM
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My only hope is that the share price will go up in good time so that I can get off safely...

I suppose it is always a good thing to ask.
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