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Total Kenya FY 2014 PAT grows by 8.5%
Rank: Member Joined: 6/14/2010 Posts: 521 Location: Nairobi
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Rank: Member Joined: 9/14/2011 Posts: 834 Location: nairobi
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This is not good and wonder how we should view KenolKobil prospects? am buying KK right now but i wonder if the industry is doing well going by these results
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Rank: Member Joined: 10/7/2010 Posts: 251 Location: nairobi
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TOTAL - PROFIT 1,424,088,000 Turnover 170.7 Billion KENOL -PROFIT 1,091,284,000 Turnover 91.3 Bollion
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/22/2009 Posts: 7,460
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madebe wrote:TOTAL - PROFIT 1,424,088,000 Turnover 170.7 Billion KENOL -PROFIT 1,091,284,000 Turnover 91.3 Bollion Number of Issued Shares? Share Price? Market Cap? Never count on making a good sale. Have the purchase price be so attractive that even a mediocre sale gives good returns.
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Rank: Chief Joined: 1/3/2007 Posts: 18,121 Location: Nairobi
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madebe wrote:TOTAL - PROFIT 1,424,088,000 Turnover 170.7 Billion KENOL -PROFIT 1,091,284,000 Turnover 91.3 Bollion Total does OTS cargoes. High volume, low margin. Not a bad business if you can source cheap financing. KK did very few OTS cargoes in 2014 as it tried to reduce debt. KK ditched the low-margin businesses (e.g. aviation fuel) in 2014. The volumes and turnover has dropped vs 2013. Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/21/2010 Posts: 6,183 Location: nairobi
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heri wrote:This is not good and wonder how we should view KenolKobil prospects? am buying KK right now but i wonder if the industry is doing well going by these results
those who are running kk are optimistic "Don't let the fear of losing be greater than the excitement of winning."
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Rank: Member Joined: 3/15/2010 Posts: 391 Location: nairobie
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Rank: Member Joined: 10/7/2010 Posts: 251 Location: nairobi
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VituVingiSana wrote:madebe wrote:TOTAL - PROFIT 1,424,088,000 Turnover 170.7 Billion KENOL -PROFIT 1,091,284,000 Turnover 91.3 Bollion Total does OTS cargoes. High volume, low margin. Not a bad business if you can source cheap financing. KK did very few OTS cargoes in 2014 as it tried to reduce debt. KK ditched the low-margin businesses (e.g. aviation fuel) in 2014. The volumes and turnover has dropped vs 2013. My point is why waste time running like a chicken for a turnover of kshs 170 billion and make a profit of 1.4 B while you can be lean efficient dealing in 91 billion at nearly the same profit??? if you look at the profit margin you gotta give it to KK.
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Rank: Member Joined: 6/14/2010 Posts: 521 Location: Nairobi
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0.70/- compared to 0.60/- last year.
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Rank: Member Joined: 6/15/2013 Posts: 301
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madebe wrote:VituVingiSana wrote:madebe wrote:TOTAL - PROFIT 1,424,088,000 Turnover 170.7 Billion KENOL -PROFIT 1,091,284,000 Turnover 91.3 Bollion Total does OTS cargoes. High volume, low margin. Not a bad business if you can source cheap financing. KK did very few OTS cargoes in 2014 as it tried to reduce debt. KK ditched the low-margin businesses (e.g. aviation fuel) in 2014. The volumes and turnover has dropped vs 2013. My point is why waste time running like a chicken for a turnover of kshs 170 billion and make a profit of 1.4 B while you can be lean efficient dealing in 91 billion at nearly the same profit??? if you look at the profit margin you gotta give it to KK. @madebe......i support your views on this 100%......You have to give it to Ohana and his team for their efficiency....imagine if they employed the same principles they are using now and they had Total's turnover.....Total would bury their heads in shame....
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/21/2010 Posts: 6,183 Location: nairobi
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mulla wrote:madebe wrote:VituVingiSana wrote:madebe wrote:TOTAL - PROFIT 1,424,088,000 Turnover 170.7 Billion KENOL -PROFIT 1,091,284,000 Turnover 91.3 Bollion Total does OTS cargoes. High volume, low margin. Not a bad business if you can source cheap financing. KK did very few OTS cargoes in 2014 as it tried to reduce debt. KK ditched the low-margin businesses (e.g. aviation fuel) in 2014. The volumes and turnover has dropped vs 2013. My point is why waste time running like a chicken for a turnover of kshs 170 billion and make a profit of 1.4 B while you can be lean efficient dealing in 91 billion at nearly the same profit??? if you look at the profit margin you gotta give it to KK. @madebe......i support your views on this 100%......You have to give it to Ohana and his team for their efficiency....imagine if they employed the same principles they are using now and they had Total's turnover.....Total would bury their heads in shame.... it has come so soon to start comparing total with kk whose profit is almost at par, while kk reduced debts by 4b ..conclusion. ...kks management knows what they're doing "Don't let the fear of losing be greater than the excitement of winning."
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Rank: Member Joined: 7/20/2012 Posts: 141
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In my opinion, the major shareholder recoups its money from the "Technical Support/Licensing" offered to Total Kenya. So the minority shareholders maybe the losers.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 9/29/2006 Posts: 2,570
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h2s wrote:In my opinion, the major shareholder recoups its money from the "Technical Support/Licensing" offered to Total Kenya. So the minority shareholders maybe the loosers. Losers you mean? The opposite of courage is not cowardice, it's conformity.
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Rank: Member Joined: 7/20/2012 Posts: 141
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jerry wrote:h2s wrote:In my opinion, the major shareholder recoups its money from the "Technical Support/Licensing" offered to Total Kenya. So the minority shareholders maybe the loosers. Losers you mean? Edited with thanks.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/2/2011 Posts: 4,818 Location: -1.2107, 36.8831
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A look at the shareholding structure is worrisome. Why is firm even listed in the first place!!!!! Receive with simplicity everything that happens to you.” ― Rashi
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Rank: Chief Joined: 1/3/2007 Posts: 18,121 Location: Nairobi
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madebe wrote:VituVingiSana wrote:madebe wrote:TOTAL - PROFIT 1,424,088,000 Turnover 170.7 Billion KENOL -PROFIT 1,091,284,000 Turnover 91.3 Bollion Total does OTS cargoes. High volume, low margin. Not a bad business if you can source cheap financing. KK did very few OTS cargoes in 2014 as it tried to reduce debt. KK ditched the low-margin businesses (e.g. aviation fuel) in 2014. The volumes and turnover has dropped vs 2013. My point is why waste time running like a chicken for a turnover of kshs 170 billion and make a profit of 1.4 B while you can be lean efficient dealing in 91 billion at nearly the same profit??? if you look at the profit margin you gotta give it to KK. Low margin, high turnover businesses are not uncommon. I will take a Low margin, High turnover business if the RISK is minimal but much lower than my margin. If everyone picks the high margin business, then what happens to the low-margin businesses? Is is much more work to import a cargo of petrol making 1/- on 10 million liters vs selling 1 million liters in a petrol station at 10/- margin? Walmart is a firm that uses the Low Margin, High Volume strategy. It has done very well. It is the USA (& the world's) largest retailer by volume and profit. The Waltons [heirs of Sam Walton] are the richest family in the USA. Apple has a High Margin, Low(er) Volume strategy. BTW, I am not saying 'low volume' because it sells a lot of phones, computers, etc. I say 'Lower' because it chooses not to sell more at a lower price to compete with the Samsungs, Nokias and Dells. BTW, Walmart also sells Apple products. Both are successful because they are well-run businesses. The managers of both understand risk. They manage risk. And make money from providing what their customers want. Wazua is a forum where one can get glib one-liners or discuss topics deeper. I prefer the latter even though I often indulge in the former! Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
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Rank: Elder Joined: 9/23/2009 Posts: 8,083 Location: Enk are Nyirobi
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dunkang wrote:A look at the shareholding structure is worrisome. Why is firm even listed in the first place!!!!! Add the preference shares to the parent company! Life is short. Live passionately.
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Rank: Chief Joined: 1/3/2007 Posts: 18,121 Location: Nairobi
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dunkang wrote:A look at the shareholding structure is worrisome. Why is firm even listed in the first place!!!!! Total took on debt to acquire Caltex. It did not perform as well as expected due to depreciating KES, high interest rates and volatile fuel prices. Then Total Outre-Mer came in & converted Debt to Preferred Equity to satisfy the Debt Covenants. I think Total tried a Rights Issue (needs confirmation) along the way but Kenyan shareholders didn't fully participate. (Something similar happened at EABL where Kenyan shareholders didn't exercise their Rights & Diageo took up the shortfall) I believe the Preference Shares have been added to the Ordinary Shares to give that percentage ownership. And yes, there have been rumors that Total would find it easier to go private vs being listed. In the FMC sector, privacy (& secrecy) are valued so perhaps one day both Total and KK will go private. Well, for KK... I sort of hope that happens at a premium! Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/2/2011 Posts: 4,818 Location: -1.2107, 36.8831
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sparkly wrote:dunkang wrote:A look at the shareholding structure is worrisome. Why is this firm even listed in the first place!!!!! Add the preference shares to the parent company! NOPE my virtual brother/sister. The shares are as follows; Ordinary Shares of 5/- are ........................ 175,065,000 Redeemable Preference Shares at 31.58/- ........... 123,478,388 (Debt of 3,899,447,000/-) Redeemable Preference Shares at 15.71/- ........... 330,999,364 (Debt of 5,200,000,000/-) Without the preference shares, Total Outre-Mer had a 47% holding. The beauty of this redeemable preference shares is that ONLY Total (K) can set the redemption (call-out) date. That was a good arrangement on minority shareholders, otherwise, it could have been disastrous if otherwise. Receive with simplicity everything that happens to you.” ― Rashi
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 7/1/2014 Posts: 903 Location: sky
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did investors forget about this? for some days total kenya share has been suffering lack of demand, their was a day the only demand available was from me almost the whole day! i have even managed to get at 22.75. did i miss some crucial information which will heavily cost me? im starting to get nervours There are only two emotions in the stock market, fear and hope. The problem is, you hope when you should fear and fear when you should hope
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