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mombasa and kenya coast seeing really tough times
mazingira
#1 Posted : Saturday, March 28, 2015 9:13:28 PM
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mombasa and kenya coast seeing really tough times

From time in memorial kenyas coast has been heavily reliant on tourism. Now for over two years the tourism industry has been drowning and the knock on effect is now being felt on many many sectors. What I'm amazed is beach boys disappearing of the beaches. But with this we are seeing rise in crime and in all truth a serious lack of cash flow on the coast. Parks are empty, hotels are shutting down businesses are not able to pay loans or creditors or sometimes staff. If the economy supporting millions of people collapses what happens?
obiero
#2 Posted : Saturday, March 28, 2015 9:41:27 PM
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KQ is feeling this pinch

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derick
#3 Posted : Saturday, March 28, 2015 10:50:38 PM
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obiero wrote:
KQ is feeling this pinch

And maybe tpserena
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premio
#4 Posted : Sunday, March 29, 2015 11:33:10 AM
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Too sad but this was agrravated by the clashes in Lamu which had nothing to do with Alshabab but local politics of hate. MOMBASA was headed to become a Dubai in its own way. The idea of Marinas apartments had picked. English point had doubled in sales value from 25m for a 3bed to 45m but prices came crashing. Dubai is such an attractive property and travel markets because its cosmopolitan. Some thick pple thought b
Kihara joni
#5 Posted : Sunday, March 29, 2015 12:01:13 PM
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I have lived in Mombasa for 3 years now and sad to say that it is a shadow of what it was, business wise and development, since the start of insecurity tourism has taken a beating,land and house prices have sharply come down, but all in all the government has really neglected the coast, ie name one major project in mombasa away fro the airport and the port.
But if the calm that is around persists then things will pick up polepole.
mazingira
#6 Posted : Sunday, March 29, 2015 3:59:11 PM
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Kihara joni wrote:
I have lived in Mombasa for 3 years now and sad to say that it is a shadow of what it was, business wise and development, since the start of insecurity tourism has taken a beating,land and house prices have sharply come down, but all in all the government has really neglected the coast, ie name one major project in mombasa away fro the airport and the port.
But if the calm that is around persists then things will pick up polepole.


Unfortunately security today is just not enough. Mombasa does not excite tourists, it does not keep one fully occupied and entertained. The product is tired and boring, it does not cater for a young clientele.

The main market for the coast is Europe and the euro is taking a beating kenya too is extremely expensive and the beach destinations we compete with are much cheaper and more vibrant and family friendly. With shopping plazas malls piazzas cleanliness and systems that work

If you say Kenyan hoteliers and tour operators are to blame because of thew rates look at the expenses of licences all over a windscreen, the business permits the fuel levy labour costs, cost of park fees and worst of all electricity costs.

Add on pilferage and theft and you know why kenya is expensive.

Then our reputation as a sleazy sex tourism destination for pensioners looking for a good time is the reason Kenyan tourism still exists on the coast. We call it true love when u see an 80 yu old mama with dentures and pleanty of excess skin is kissing a Kenyan kijana no older than 30 ripped and tight muscles. He is in love with her euros truly.

As that generation dies out Kenyan coast tourism will too especially now with the carrier competition from the rent a dread or rent a rastas.



murchr
#7 Posted : Sunday, March 29, 2015 4:11:55 PM
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I saw Mohamed Hersi say on TV that tourism in Msa cannot survive without europeans, and I felt sorry. If your product can only entice one kind of clientele then there's a problem, and that is what needs fixing. Why are we not selling the coast to West Africans? Anyone who has been to the beaches in WestAfrica will really appreciate our side of the continent.

Oflate I've not seen anything selling Kenya as a destination, if you go to sites such as groupon Tanzania and South Africans are really on it.

I'd have really appreciated if UK fired that Cabinet secretary. She's not fit for the job
"There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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maka
#8 Posted : Sunday, March 29, 2015 4:34:34 PM
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murchr wrote:
I saw Mohamed Hersi say on TV that tourism in Msa cannot survive without europeans, and I felt sorry. If your product can only entice one kind of clientele then there's a problem, and that is what needs fixing. Why are we not selling the coast to West Africans? Anyone who has been to the beaches in WestAfrica will really appreciate our side of the continent.

Oflate I've not seen anything selling Kenya as a destination, if you go to sites such as groupon Tanzania and South Africans are really on it.

I'd have really appreciated if UK fired that Cabinet secretary. She's not fit for the job


Well in @Murchr so true...funny how wazuans always have the appropriate answers.smile
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luttz
#9 Posted : Monday, March 30, 2015 2:14:14 AM
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But truth be said, show me a destination that is frequented by Asian tourists if not just a bunch of back packers? Which West Africa? Maybe Nigeria and Ivory coast. I work and live is West Africa and their concepts of holidays cant fit in our environment. All is not lost though, the government can deal with the issues that are affecting the industry, they are well known. A week in Dubai is cheaper than 3/4 days in Mombasa, why? The government has answers. It's a fact that 1 Mzungu tourist spends more than 100 Chinese tourists and 1000 Bangladesh tourists. Come tome to think of it, a Chinese expat working on the SGR stays in the life support camps that are set up for the semi skilled workers while 1 Mzungu expat stays in the suburbs employing at least 10 locals. Going East has never been a solution anywhere
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murchr
#10 Posted : Monday, March 30, 2015 3:35:20 AM
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luttz wrote:
But truth be said, show me a destination that is frequented by Asian tourists if not just a bunch of back packers? Which West Africa? Maybe Nigeria and Ivory coast. I work and live is West Africa and their concepts of holidays cant fit in our environment. All is not lost though, the government can deal with the issues that are affecting the industry, they are well known. A week in Dubai is cheaper than 3/4 days in Mombasa, why? The government has answers. It's a fact that 1 Mzungu tourist spends more than 100 Chinese tourists and 1000 Bangladesh tourists. Come tome to think of it, a Chinese expat working on the SGR stays in the life support camps that are set up for the semi skilled workers while 1 Mzungu expat stays in the suburbs employing at least 10 locals. Going East has never been a solution anywhere


The type(s) of entertainment offered at the coast has been overtaken by times and events. Those old mzungus who flock there during winter are in their sunset years. Asians travel very much and they are big spenders, ask Obama I guess numbers never lie... The industry needs to change with the times.

And yes, WestAfricans travel, but have we tried to sell the country to them as a destination? I dont think so
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VituVingiSana
#11 Posted : Monday, March 30, 2015 6:00:39 AM
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premio wrote:
Too sad but this was agrravated by the clashes in Lamu which had nothing to do with Alshabab but local politics of hate. MOMBASA was headed to become a Dubai in its own way. The idea of Marinas apartments had picked. English point had doubled in sales value from 25m for a 3bed to 45m but prices came crashing. Dubai is such an attractive property and travel markets because its cosmopolitan. Some thick pple thought b


I thought the project was underwater i.e. the developer was in trouble. Anyway, even if the prices are back to 25mn... isn't that too much for Mombasa? On the other hand, I do not have 25mn for an apartment so I may not understand the market!!!
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
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#12 Posted : Monday, March 30, 2015 8:32:41 AM
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Mombasa had every chance to stop their reliance on foreign visitors, and exploit the local crowd.

however, come every major holiday, the greedy hyenas called beach hotels start charging supplements: Easter, Christmas, blah blah. While the mzungu stays for $20 a night.

Let them die, they deserve it!
Business opportunities are like buses,there's always another one coming
KulaRaha
#13 Posted : Monday, March 30, 2015 8:33:49 AM
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VituVingiSana wrote:
premio wrote:
Too sad but this was agrravated by the clashes in Lamu which had nothing to do with Alshabab but local politics of hate. MOMBASA was headed to become a Dubai in its own way. The idea of Marinas apartments had picked. English point had doubled in sales value from 25m for a 3bed to 45m but prices came crashing. Dubai is such an attractive property and travel markets because its cosmopolitan. Some thick pple thought b


I thought the project was underwater i.e. the developer was in trouble. Anyway, even if the prices are back to 25mn... isn't that too much for Mombasa? On the other hand, I do not have 25mn for an apartment so I may not understand the market!!!


Prices are as follows: 60M for front row, 50M for middle and 40M for rear.

Watch that project slowly suffocate. Greed has overtaken common sense.
Business opportunities are like buses,there's always another one coming
VituVingiSana
#14 Posted : Monday, March 30, 2015 9:32:40 AM
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KulaRaha wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
premio wrote:
Too sad but this was agrravated by the clashes in Lamu which had nothing to do with Alshabab but local politics of hate. MOMBASA was headed to become a Dubai in its own way. The idea of Marinas apartments had picked. English point had doubled in sales value from 25m for a 3bed to 45m but prices came crashing. Dubai is such an attractive property and travel markets because its cosmopolitan. Some thick pple thought b


I thought the project was underwater i.e. the developer was in trouble. Anyway, even if the prices are back to 25mn... isn't that too much for Mombasa? On the other hand, I do not have 25mn for an apartment so I may not understand the market!!!


Prices are as follows: 60M for front row, 50M for middle and 40M for rear.

Watch that project slowly suffocate. Greed has overtaken common sense.

And it should if the pricing is way out of line. That said, there are people with the 60mn. And more. Anyway, it is cheaper for me to rent a room when I need one a few days a year!
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
mazingira
#15 Posted : Monday, March 30, 2015 9:42:21 AM
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New cancellations are already in the pipeline for tour operators , a large group of British youngsters and volunteers who come help people every year has just cancelled 100 rooms booking in watamu for a month plus. An old prestigious resort is shutting down in watamu for the remainder of the yr and many many people at Moi airport are awaiting clients who are just not arriving even though bookings have been held for months. Expect a crash in forex earnings on the coast, expect further job losses and poverty
KulaRaha
#16 Posted : Monday, March 30, 2015 9:58:48 AM
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Despite all the hard times, I had a hotel quote me exactly double their normal rate for an Easter booking. I asked why, and they said Easter ni Easter. Dumbness!

RIP Coast hotel industry: a case study in stupidity and lack of business sense.
Business opportunities are like buses,there's always another one coming
yosie14
#17 Posted : Monday, March 30, 2015 10:22:14 AM
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KulaRaha wrote:
Despite all the hard times, I had a hotel quote me exactly double their normal rate for an Easter booking. I asked why, and they said Easter ni Easter. Dumbness!

RIP Coast hotel industry: a case study in stupidity and lack of business sense.


Lamu is most affected by the downturn in tourism.
But the locals appear to have learnt,accepted and moved on.The hotels are taking anything just to have a guest onboard.I also notice may initiatives by county Govt to revive the sector.
KCB,NMG,PAFR
Robinhood
#18 Posted : Monday, March 30, 2015 10:23:28 AM
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This narrative from coast people that Oh watu wa bara wanatunyanyasa, Oh MRC, or Majimbo, oh this, mara that, simply has to end. They now have their own counties and must work hard to create an enabling environment for investors and job creation. This story of incubating MRC, mara Al Shabab and think they are hurting the Kaffirs. The harsh reality is that it is the coast people that suffer most when tourists stay away and hotels close.

Peace loving coastals (and indeed all Kenyans) must cooperate with security forces to bring peace and security.

The way I see it...
Great men are not always wise, neither do the aged understand judgement...
Kihara joni
#19 Posted : Monday, March 30, 2015 10:34:18 AM
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I agree Mombasa has and is becoming less an less exiting and if it does not adapt to need of modern tourists it will fade the same way Most central kenyan towns faded.
I some times wonder what or where Nairobians come to holiday in mombasa, the beaches are dirty and with too many hawkers and beach boys disturbing any one who just wants to relax.
The port is not even part of mombasa it simply does not benefit Mombasa at all, so does the airport.
derick
#20 Posted : Monday, March 30, 2015 10:46:19 AM
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Kenya hits out at Britain's tougher travel warning - http://www.standardmedia...e/?articleID=2000156605 via @StandardKenya
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