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Contradiction Premises
tycho
#131 Posted : Thursday, March 26, 2015 12:37:54 PM
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symbols wrote:
tycho wrote:
@Symbols, I thought I was ready to answer the questions as to the when, and how of 'God consciousness', and the third question you've asked about convergence and divergence. But when I put myself to the task of explaining myself, I realized I had work to do. I had to develop the language for it practically from scratch or thereby.

But to get to the task let me start that humans became aware of God when they became aware of themselves (for this case awareness and consciousness are deemed as equal).

Self awareness or self consciousness came about gradually as Man developed politically, linguistically, and mentally. Even now Man developing along these lines, keeping up the pattern of an evolving God and Man.

The reasons of convergence are our uniformity as a species, divergence is due to the inherent energic possibilities around (entropy) and our capacity to symbolize them.


How does self awareness or self consciousness equate to awareness of God?


Self awareness leads to a 'You-I' relation. It leads to causes and effects. Questions. Explanation. Light of nature.
symbols
#132 Posted : Thursday, March 26, 2015 12:56:56 PM
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tycho wrote:
symbols wrote:
tycho wrote:
@Symbols, I thought I was ready to answer the questions as to the when, and how of 'God consciousness', and the third question you've asked about convergence and divergence. But when I put myself to the task of explaining myself, I realized I had work to do. I had to develop the language for it practically from scratch or thereby.

But to get to the task let me start that humans became aware of God when they became aware of themselves (for this case awareness and consciousness are deemed as equal).

Self awareness or self consciousness came about gradually as Man developed politically, linguistically, and mentally. Even now Man developing along these lines, keeping up the pattern of an evolving God and Man.

The reasons of convergence are our uniformity as a species, divergence is due to the inherent energic possibilities around (entropy) and our capacity to symbolize them.


How does self awareness or self consciousness equate to awareness of God?


Self awareness leads to a 'You-I' relation. It leads to causes and effects. Questions. Explanation. Light of nature.


What is the cause that leads self awareness to the awareness of God?
tycho
#133 Posted : Thursday, March 26, 2015 2:01:30 PM
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symbols wrote:
tycho wrote:
Wakanyugi wrote:
symbols wrote:
When and how did humans become conscious of God?


A loaded question, this one is.

Humans - basically the spiritual entities that we primarily are - are innately God conscious. Bluntly speaking we are fragments of the God being and could not be anything else but conscious of this fact.

Human BEINGS on the other hand, that is human spirits descended into matter - wearing bodies, suppressing our memories and greater awareness, operating in the dense energy climate of Earth etc - now that is different.

I believe one of the desired outcomes of BEING human is to become God conscious when still confined in matter. There are not many human beings who can honestly claim this achievement.


I'd like to refer you to Julian Jayne's 'The origin of consciousness in the breakdown of the bicameral mind'. Here the writer argues successfully that consciousness is not only unnecessary for survival but isn't inherent in Man. Just like the creation story in Genesis affirms.

Again the definition you've given of Man using words like 'spirit', or 'soul' has the mark of presupposing their meaning and possible existence. But words are political creations.


@Wakanyugi - It was originally @tycho's question.

@tycho - How are 'spirit' and 'soul' political creations and what makes our species predisposed to create,use and accept such and other political ideas?


Political ideas are about survival and adaptation. The species must meet its needs.
tycho
#134 Posted : Thursday, March 26, 2015 2:08:43 PM
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symbols wrote:
tycho wrote:
symbols wrote:
tycho wrote:
@Symbols, I thought I was ready to answer the questions as to the when, and how of 'God consciousness', and the third question you've asked about convergence and divergence. But when I put myself to the task of explaining myself, I realized I had work to do. I had to develop the language for it practically from scratch or thereby.

But to get to the task let me start that humans became aware of God when they became aware of themselves (for this case awareness and consciousness are deemed as equal).

Self awareness or self consciousness came about gradually as Man developed politically, linguistically, and mentally. Even now Man developing along these lines, keeping up the pattern of an evolving God and Man.

The reasons of convergence are our uniformity as a species, divergence is due to the inherent energic possibilities around (entropy) and our capacity to symbolize them.


How does self awareness or self consciousness equate to awareness of God?


Self awareness leads to a 'You-I' relation. It leads to causes and effects. Questions. Explanation. Light of nature.


What is the cause that leads self awareness to the awareness of God?


Politics. Hunger.
tycho
#135 Posted : Thursday, March 26, 2015 2:16:35 PM
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@Wakanyugi, the book is available on PDF.
Wakanyugi
#136 Posted : Thursday, March 26, 2015 2:27:23 PM
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tycho wrote:
@Wakanyugi, the book is available on PDF.


Thanks.

I'll take a look
"The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement. But the opposite of a profound truth may well be another profound truth." (Niels Bohr)
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