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Wakanyugi
#1 Posted : Tuesday, March 24, 2015 12:17:38 PM
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I was reading an online piece about Mandela and the following line stuck in my mind:

"...Mr. Mandela only became Nelson Mandela during his years in prison. In other words, it was the solitude, degradation, devastation and inhumanity of that time in confinement that made him who he became." [Robin Sharma]

In other words Mandela was shaped by events to become the great man he was.

On the other hand Julius Nyerere rose to greatness without the benefit of adversity to shape his character.

Both had leadership thrust upon them (to misquote Churchill) but they arrived at greatness from two very different paths.

In that case who was greater?

"The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement. But the opposite of a profound truth may well be another profound truth." (Niels Bohr)
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tycho
#2 Posted : Tuesday, March 24, 2015 12:35:44 PM
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My vote goes to Nyerere.
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tycho
#3 Posted : Tuesday, March 24, 2015 12:41:39 PM
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tycho wrote:
My vote goes to Nyerere.


And it's not true that Nyerere faced no adversity. He did.
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Othelo
#4 Posted : Tuesday, March 24, 2015 12:45:07 PM
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Nyerere had the freedom, opportunity and choice of joining the thugs of this world in looting his Country. He chose to be humane and humble.

Mandela was humbled in his humiliation by the apartheid guys and hardened in the process!!!

Nyerere it is!!!
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McReggae
#5 Posted : Tuesday, March 24, 2015 12:54:21 PM
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There is something that made Mandela go to jail, otherwise kila mtu angetupwa jelani na awe Mandela, why would we want to compare the two?
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Obi 1 Kanobi
#6 Posted : Tuesday, March 24, 2015 1:03:32 PM
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McReggae wrote:
There is something that made Mandela go to jail, otherwise kila mtu angetupwa jelani na awe Mandela, why would we want to compare the two?


I think I am also missing the point of comparison. How would anyone compare Mandela to Nyerere. What again did Nyarere do?
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Othelo
#7 Posted : Tuesday, March 24, 2015 1:09:54 PM
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At least Nyerere didnot steal like all his peers....
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wazuaguest
#8 Posted : Tuesday, March 24, 2015 1:11:39 PM
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To quote Mugabe when he was interviewed by CNNs Christine Ammanpour 'Mandela is Mandela and Mugabe is Mugabe' Likewise Mwalimu is Mwalimu and Madiba is Madiba
can one say who is greatest btn Swenani and Alma?
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Obi 1 Kanobi
#9 Posted : Tuesday, March 24, 2015 1:14:53 PM
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Othelo wrote:
At least Nyerere didnot steal like all his peers....


This is a very low bar. Not stealing does not make a great leader.
"The purpose of bureaucracy is to compensate for incompetence and lack of discipline." James Collins
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Impunity
#10 Posted : Tuesday, March 24, 2015 1:37:59 PM
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Obi 1 Kanobi wrote:
McReggae wrote:
There is something that made Mandela go to jail, otherwise kila mtu angetupwa jelani na awe Mandela, why would we want to compare the two?


I think I am also missing the point of comparison. How would anyone compare Mandela to Nyerere. What again did Nyarere do?


And you think he was the first to be jailed for 27 years with hard labor?
We have guys jailed for life and they dont talk about it.
The @Mandela thing, though humbling in some aspects, is OVERRATED!

@Mwalimu Nyerere was HUMBLE throughout his life while @Mandela was a lifist and fishmonger who was labelled a terrorist and was just developed through [painful apartheid (in)justice!

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