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tycho wrote:Today I have learned that it's impossible to love my neighbor as myself if the currency of exchange extends beyond love and into other things like money, food, clothing and the like.
As such I wonder whether the Gospel isn't inadequate afterall, in its assertion that God gave us his son as a sacrifice because he loved us.
Or even, could we say that Christ loved us more than he loved himself to the extent of crucifixion?
If the crucifixion was an act in which God and Christ loved themselves as they loved us, was it then an act of salvation for Man?
Am asking this because I suspect my previous belief about love has led me to nothing but loss and anger at the human, and more specifically, myself. It's like a grand delusion revealed.
How can the 'currency of exchange' extend beyond love? What can be greater than love? Money? Food? Clothing? Surely if the premise is faulty, the conclusion is plain wrong and should not even be read.
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Rank: Member Joined: 7/1/2008 Posts: 323
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tycho wrote:Who or what, is God?
God, I have found, and seen, is a self organized and emergent idea, and experience, that is; assimilated, acted out, internalized, projected, introjected, and institutionalized, then looped back to the start- self organization and emergence- and down the flow again, for the purpose of creating, interpreting, modifying, and justifying human experience and the politics of human experience. Amen 
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Rank: Member Joined: 7/1/2008 Posts: 323
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I have No doubt that there is a superior being that created our world.
Even if i understand the scientists theories of self organization in matter to create and evolve life there has to be a beginning an inception, interceptor, a trigger, a creator(s)
saying there is No creator, inventor, originator is like saying a car created itself??
or a computer materialized itself replicated....
Even if scientists have solved many questions we fail to see how it all started due to as Tycho says underutilized brain power.
which brings the question why are we only utilizing 5%, why is this so? is it intentional?
The other is the limitation of our life(lives.
By the time we solve a problem we are dead or disaster happens to destroy a progressing civilization.why? pre-programmed self-correcting to keep us in a state of ignorance?
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Rank: Member Joined: 7/1/2008 Posts: 323
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If we go back to creation stories the overwhelming evidence is that the creator were creators. They were many and this is plausible as evidence exists that for us as humans to create we do it as a group and this brings us to the allusion that if "we" as the creator(s) behave so do the original creator behave; they have the same failings and passions as we do.
An example is a computer. it behaves as we intended it to behave and its failings are our own mistakes. It reflects who we are; and as we progress it will continue to exhibit our own failings and progress
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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Muriel wrote:tycho wrote:Today I have learned that it's impossible to love my neighbor as myself if the currency of exchange extends beyond love and into other things like money, food, clothing and the like.
As such I wonder whether the Gospel isn't inadequate afterall, in its assertion that God gave us his son as a sacrifice because he loved us.
Or even, could we say that Christ loved us more than he loved himself to the extent of crucifixion?
If the crucifixion was an act in which God and Christ loved themselves as they loved us, was it then an act of salvation for Man?
Am asking this because I suspect my previous belief about love has led me to nothing but loss and anger at the human, and more specifically, myself. It's like a grand delusion revealed.
How can the 'currency of exchange' extend beyond love? What can be greater than love? Money? Food? Clothing? Surely if the premise is faulty, the conclusion is plain wrong and should not even be read. Would you say that someone's arguments represent their experience?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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jokes wrote:I have No doubt that there is a superior being that created our world.
Even if i understand the scientists theories of self organization in matter to create and evolve life there has to be a beginning an inception, interceptor, a trigger, a creator(s)
saying there is No creator, inventor, originator is like saying a car created itself??
or a computer materialized itself replicated....
Even if scientists have solved many questions we fail to see how it all started due to as Tycho says underutilized brain power.
which brings the question why are we only utilizing 5%, why is this so? is it intentional?
The other is the limitation of our life(lives.
By the time we solve a problem we are dead or disaster happens to destroy a progressing civilization.why? pre-programmed self-correcting to keep us in a state of ignorance?
Man created his world, and he uses a small percentage of his power because he's deeply alienated from himself and the universe.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/19/2013 Posts: 2,552
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tycho wrote:Muriel wrote:tycho wrote:Today I have learned that it's impossible to love my neighbor as myself if the currency of exchange extends beyond love and into other things like money, food, clothing and the like.
As such I wonder whether the Gospel isn't inadequate afterall, in its assertion that God gave us his son as a sacrifice because he loved us.
Or even, could we say that Christ loved us more than he loved himself to the extent of crucifixion?
If the crucifixion was an act in which God and Christ loved themselves as they loved us, was it then an act of salvation for Man?
Am asking this because I suspect my previous belief about love has led me to nothing but loss and anger at the human, and more specifically, myself. It's like a grand delusion revealed.
How can the 'currency of exchange' extend beyond love? What can be greater than love? Money? Food? Clothing? Surely if the premise is faulty, the conclusion is plain wrong and should not even be read. Would you say that someone's arguments represent their experience? People are trapped in and by their own minds seeking and propagating individual and shared 'realities'.
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Rank: Member Joined: 11/19/2009 Posts: 3,142
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symbols wrote:tycho wrote:Muriel wrote:tycho wrote:Today I have learned that it's impossible to love my neighbor as myself if the currency of exchange extends beyond love and into other things like money, food, clothing and the like.
As such I wonder whether the Gospel isn't inadequate afterall, in its assertion that God gave us his son as a sacrifice because he loved us.
Or even, could we say that Christ loved us more than he loved himself to the extent of crucifixion?
If the crucifixion was an act in which God and Christ loved themselves as they loved us, was it then an act of salvation for Man?
Am asking this because I suspect my previous belief about love has led me to nothing but loss and anger at the human, and more specifically, myself. It's like a grand delusion revealed.
How can the 'currency of exchange' extend beyond love? What can be greater than love? Money? Food? Clothing? Surely if the premise is faulty, the conclusion is plain wrong and should not even be read. Would you say that someone's arguments represent their experience? People are trapped in and by their own minds seeking and propagating individual and shared 'realities'. Not necessarily. For example, I can be the devil's advocate. I do not have that experience and I am not trapped by that reality.
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Rank: Member Joined: 11/19/2009 Posts: 3,142
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jokes wrote:If we go back to creation stories the overwhelming evidence is that the creator were creators. They were many and this is plausible as evidence exists that for us as humans to create we do it as a group and this brings us to the allusion that if "we" as the creator(s) behave so do the original creator behave; they have the same failings and passions as we do.
An example is a computer. it behaves as we intended it to behave and its failings are our own mistakes. It reflects who we are; and as we progress it will continue to exhibit our own failings and progress A computer does not reflect who we are. We have free will, autonomy. Does a computer have that?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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Muriel wrote:jokes wrote:If we go back to creation stories the overwhelming evidence is that the creator were creators. They were many and this is plausible as evidence exists that for us as humans to create we do it as a group and this brings us to the allusion that if "we" as the creator(s) behave so do the original creator behave; they have the same failings and passions as we do.
An example is a computer. it behaves as we intended it to behave and its failings are our own mistakes. It reflects who we are; and as we progress it will continue to exhibit our own failings and progress A computer does not reflect who we are. We have free will, autonomy. Does a computer have that? What does 'free will' mean? If it means decisions not pre-programmed then computers have free will.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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Muriel wrote:symbols wrote:tycho wrote:Muriel wrote:tycho wrote:Today I have learned that it's impossible to love my neighbor as myself if the currency of exchange extends beyond love and into other things like money, food, clothing and the like.
As such I wonder whether the Gospel isn't inadequate afterall, in its assertion that God gave us his son as a sacrifice because he loved us.
Or even, could we say that Christ loved us more than he loved himself to the extent of crucifixion?
If the crucifixion was an act in which God and Christ loved themselves as they loved us, was it then an act of salvation for Man?
Am asking this because I suspect my previous belief about love has led me to nothing but loss and anger at the human, and more specifically, myself. It's like a grand delusion revealed.
How can the 'currency of exchange' extend beyond love? What can be greater than love? Money? Food? Clothing? Surely if the premise is faulty, the conclusion is plain wrong and should not even be read. Would you say that someone's arguments represent their experience? People are trapped in and by their own minds seeking and propagating individual and shared 'realities'. Not necessarily. For example, I can be the devil's advocate. I do not have that experience and I am not trapped by that reality. What's the motive behind being a devil's advocate?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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symbols wrote:tycho wrote:Muriel wrote:tycho wrote:Today I have learned that it's impossible to love my neighbor as myself if the currency of exchange extends beyond love and into other things like money, food, clothing and the like.
As such I wonder whether the Gospel isn't inadequate afterall, in its assertion that God gave us his son as a sacrifice because he loved us.
Or even, could we say that Christ loved us more than he loved himself to the extent of crucifixion?
If the crucifixion was an act in which God and Christ loved themselves as they loved us, was it then an act of salvation for Man?
Am asking this because I suspect my previous belief about love has led me to nothing but loss and anger at the human, and more specifically, myself. It's like a grand delusion revealed.
How can the 'currency of exchange' extend beyond love? What can be greater than love? Money? Food? Clothing? Surely if the premise is faulty, the conclusion is plain wrong and should not even be read. Would you say that someone's arguments represent their experience? People are trapped in and by their own minds seeking and propagating individual and shared 'realities'. What does this mean?
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Rank: Member Joined: 9/25/2008 Posts: 510
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All this life I am experiencing, is it in my brain/mind or out there? what if the mind is creating all these events? It is impossible for me to experience anything if the events are not inside me, i think.....all the senses are processed by my mind...what constitutes reality....or free will? I AM trust in GOD, I AM belief in THYSELF
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/19/2013 Posts: 2,552
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Muriel wrote:symbols wrote:tycho wrote:Muriel wrote:tycho wrote:Today I have learned that it's impossible to love my neighbor as myself if the currency of exchange extends beyond love and into other things like money, food, clothing and the like.
As such I wonder whether the Gospel isn't inadequate afterall, in its assertion that God gave us his son as a sacrifice because he loved us.
Or even, could we say that Christ loved us more than he loved himself to the extent of crucifixion?
If the crucifixion was an act in which God and Christ loved themselves as they loved us, was it then an act of salvation for Man?
Am asking this because I suspect my previous belief about love has led me to nothing but loss and anger at the human, and more specifically, myself. It's like a grand delusion revealed.
How can the 'currency of exchange' extend beyond love? What can be greater than love? Money? Food? Clothing? Surely if the premise is faulty, the conclusion is plain wrong and should not even be read. Would you say that someone's arguments represent their experience? People are trapped in and by their own minds seeking and propagating individual and shared 'realities'. Not necessarily. For example, I can be the devil's advocate. I do not have that experience and I am not trapped by that reality. It doesn't make a difference whether it's experience or role-play as long as the mind gets what it wants.
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Rank: Member Joined: 11/19/2009 Posts: 3,142
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tycho wrote:Muriel wrote:symbols wrote:tycho wrote:Muriel wrote:tycho wrote:Today I have learned that it's impossible to love my neighbor as myself if the currency of exchange extends beyond love and into other things like money, food, clothing and the like.
As such I wonder whether the Gospel isn't inadequate afterall, in its assertion that God gave us his son as a sacrifice because he loved us.
Or even, could we say that Christ loved us more than he loved himself to the extent of crucifixion?
If the crucifixion was an act in which God and Christ loved themselves as they loved us, was it then an act of salvation for Man?
Am asking this because I suspect my previous belief about love has led me to nothing but loss and anger at the human, and more specifically, myself. It's like a grand delusion revealed.
How can the 'currency of exchange' extend beyond love? What can be greater than love? Money? Food? Clothing? Surely if the premise is faulty, the conclusion is plain wrong and should not even be read. Would you say that someone's arguments represent their experience? People are trapped in and by their own minds seeking and propagating individual and shared 'realities'. Not necessarily. For example, I can be the devil's advocate. I do not have that experience and I am not trapped by that reality. What's the motive behind being a devil's advocate? Because I can, for starters, free will.
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Rank: Member Joined: 11/19/2009 Posts: 3,142
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symbols wrote:Muriel wrote:symbols wrote:tycho wrote:Muriel wrote:tycho wrote:Today I have learned that it's impossible to love my neighbor as myself if the currency of exchange extends beyond love and into other things like money, food, clothing and the like.
As such I wonder whether the Gospel isn't inadequate afterall, in its assertion that God gave us his son as a sacrifice because he loved us.
Or even, could we say that Christ loved us more than he loved himself to the extent of crucifixion?
If the crucifixion was an act in which God and Christ loved themselves as they loved us, was it then an act of salvation for Man?
Am asking this because I suspect my previous belief about love has led me to nothing but loss and anger at the human, and more specifically, myself. It's like a grand delusion revealed.
How can the 'currency of exchange' extend beyond love? What can be greater than love? Money? Food? Clothing? Surely if the premise is faulty, the conclusion is plain wrong and should not even be read. Would you say that someone's arguments represent their experience? People are trapped in and by their own minds seeking and propagating individual and shared 'realities'. Not necessarily. For example, I can be the devil's advocate. I do not have that experience and I am not trapped by that reality. It doesn't make a difference whether it's experience or role-play as long as the mind gets what it wants. I think it does make a difference. 'Trapped' implies restriction. How can I be trapped when I can switch sides at will?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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Muriel wrote:tycho wrote:Muriel wrote:symbols wrote:tycho wrote:Muriel wrote:tycho wrote:Today I have learned that it's impossible to love my neighbor as myself if the currency of exchange extends beyond love and into other things like money, food, clothing and the like.
As such I wonder whether the Gospel isn't inadequate afterall, in its assertion that God gave us his son as a sacrifice because he loved us.
Or even, could we say that Christ loved us more than he loved himself to the extent of crucifixion?
If the crucifixion was an act in which God and Christ loved themselves as they loved us, was it then an act of salvation for Man?
Am asking this because I suspect my previous belief about love has led me to nothing but loss and anger at the human, and more specifically, myself. It's like a grand delusion revealed.
How can the 'currency of exchange' extend beyond love? What can be greater than love? Money? Food? Clothing? Surely if the premise is faulty, the conclusion is plain wrong and should not even be read. Would you say that someone's arguments represent their experience? People are trapped in and by their own minds seeking and propagating individual and shared 'realities'. Not necessarily. For example, I can be the devil's advocate. I do not have that experience and I am not trapped by that reality. What's the motive behind being a devil's advocate? Because I can, for starters, free will. Is that sufficient motive? devil's advocate 1. 2. noun a person who advocates an opposing or unpopular cause for the sake of argument or to expose it to a thorough examination.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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T-Bag wrote:Tycho, all this life I am experiencing, is it in my brain/mind or out there? what if the mind is creating all these events? It is impossible for me to experience anything if the events are not inside me, i think.....all the senses are processed by my mind...what constitutes reality....or free will? Reality and free will, sensing and creating, these are events comprising the within and without. Only the mind interprets and gives meaning to experience.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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Muriel wrote:symbols wrote:Muriel wrote:symbols wrote:tycho wrote:Muriel wrote:tycho wrote:Today I have learned that it's impossible to love my neighbor as myself if the currency of exchange extends beyond love and into other things like money, food, clothing and the like.
As such I wonder whether the Gospel isn't inadequate afterall, in its assertion that God gave us his son as a sacrifice because he loved us.
Or even, could we say that Christ loved us more than he loved himself to the extent of crucifixion?
If the crucifixion was an act in which God and Christ loved themselves as they loved us, was it then an act of salvation for Man?
Am asking this because I suspect my previous belief about love has led me to nothing but loss and anger at the human, and more specifically, myself. It's like a grand delusion revealed.
How can the 'currency of exchange' extend beyond love? What can be greater than love? Money? Food? Clothing? Surely if the premise is faulty, the conclusion is plain wrong and should not even be read. Would you say that someone's arguments represent their experience? People are trapped in and by their own minds seeking and propagating individual and shared 'realities'. Not necessarily. For example, I can be the devil's advocate. I do not have that experience and I am not trapped by that reality. It doesn't make a difference whether it's experience or role-play as long as the mind gets what it wants. I think it does make a difference. 'Trapped' implies restriction. How can I be trapped when I can switch sides at will? Does this mean you're open to anything or everything?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/19/2013 Posts: 2,552
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tycho wrote:symbols wrote:tycho wrote:Muriel wrote:tycho wrote:Today I have learned that it's impossible to love my neighbor as myself if the currency of exchange extends beyond love and into other things like money, food, clothing and the like.
As such I wonder whether the Gospel isn't inadequate afterall, in its assertion that God gave us his son as a sacrifice because he loved us.
Or even, could we say that Christ loved us more than he loved himself to the extent of crucifixion?
If the crucifixion was an act in which God and Christ loved themselves as they loved us, was it then an act of salvation for Man?
Am asking this because I suspect my previous belief about love has led me to nothing but loss and anger at the human, and more specifically, myself. It's like a grand delusion revealed.
How can the 'currency of exchange' extend beyond love? What can be greater than love? Money? Food? Clothing? Surely if the premise is faulty, the conclusion is plain wrong and should not even be read. Would you say that someone's arguments represent their experience? People are trapped in and by their own minds seeking and propagating individual and shared 'realities'. What does this mean? The mind,like the body,imposes its demands on you.With the body,it's easily discernible but with the mind it's difficult because we don't distinguish between the mind and ourselves,but rather we view it as who we are.Hence the mind can structure reality,actions and experiences to satisfy and protect itself.
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