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Realtreaty wrote:murchr wrote:Boris Boyka wrote:guru267 wrote:Realtreaty wrote:Bonus, share split, Rights issue are ways to borrow money from investors and public. Not all those who get Bonuses rush to sell but intend to retain for a good dividend following year.
That is one reason some firms are low in Dividend but high in Bunuses. Example was Panafric which returned a loss but went ahead to give a bonus of 1 for every two. This is like a split or rights issue as immediately the price will fold into two ex-bonus and not many will sell but hold for another year or keep buying.
These are the monies firms want. Slaughtering cat with many tricks Now which loss did PanAfrica make? Reminds me of a discussion we had with some people back last year. They equated a "drop in profit" to a "loss" haya mambo mawili ni kizungu mkuti. It took a while to convince them  Basic financial education should be mandatory in our schools. On a number line a loss would not necessarily mean a negative sum, but a figure lower than projected outcome. Make a numberline like you are in Primary 2(Two) and see for yourselves what a loss mean. A projection is a value expected and if not met after various expenses its called a loss. A profit is when you attain the projection or you go ahead of it. Make google your friend "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 9/18/2014 Posts: 1,127
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Realtreaty wrote:murchr wrote:Boris Boyka wrote:guru267 wrote:Realtreaty wrote:Bonus, share split, Rights issue are ways to borrow money from investors and public. Not all those who get Bonuses rush to sell but intend to retain for a good dividend following year.
That is one reason some firms are low in Dividend but high in Bunuses. Example was Panafric which returned a loss but went ahead to give a bonus of 1 for every two. This is like a split or rights issue as immediately the price will fold into two ex-bonus and not many will sell but hold for another year or keep buying.
These are the monies firms want. Slaughtering cat with many tricks Now which loss did PanAfrica make? Reminds me of a discussion we had with some people back last year. They equated a "drop in profit" to a "loss" haya mambo mawili ni kizungu mkuti. It took a while to convince them Basic financial education should be mandatory in our schools. On a number line a loss would not necessarily mean a negative sum, but a figure lower than projected outcome. Make a numberline like you are in Primary 2(Two) and see for yourselves what a loss mean. A projection is a value expected and if not met after various expenses its called a loss. A profit is when you attain the projection or you go ahead of it. Hehehe. Practical business education needed here asap. The main purpose of the stock market is to make fools of as many people as possible.
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Realtreaty wrote:murchr wrote:Boris Boyka wrote:guru267 wrote:Realtreaty wrote:Bonus, share split, Rights issue are ways to borrow money from investors and public. Not all those who get Bonuses rush to sell but intend to retain for a good dividend following year.
That is one reason some firms are low in Dividend but high in Bunuses. Example was Panafric which returned a loss but went ahead to give a bonus of 1 for every two. This is like a split or rights issue as immediately the price will fold into two ex-bonus and not many will sell but hold for another year or keep buying.
These are the monies firms want. Slaughtering cat with many tricks Now which loss did PanAfrica make? Reminds me of a discussion we had with some people back last year. They equated a "drop in profit" to a "loss" haya mambo mawili ni kizungu mkuti. It took a while to convince them Basic financial education should be mandatory in our schools. On a number line a loss would not necessarily mean a negative sum, but a figure lower than projected outcome. Make a numberline like you are in Primary 2(Two) and see for yourselves what a loss mean. A projection is a value expected and if not met after various expenses its called a loss. A profit is when you attain the projection or you go ahead of it. @Realtreaty, why are you complicating things. You have a number line alright. Now point to the revenue, then to total expenses. If total expenses are not more than the revenue then it's not a loss. Good judgement is often the result of experience. Experience is often the result of bad judgement.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 8/16/2011 Posts: 2,297
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Now that CO-OP Bank is playing hide and seek, I can tell a fortune is coming. Though it will say they have contributed alot to CSR and retrenchment we still gonna get a 75-100 cents. It is just hiding behind other banks espec Equity. Now KCB, BK, NIC, hve lready put their feet forward COOP and Equity will give us plenty from Saturday to wenesday.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 11/15/2013 Posts: 1,977 Location: Here
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Since 2010 you have never gone beyond 19Mar! Just last year you stretched to the 19th date. I pray for you to give birth to a healthy son before 19th. I know the labour pains Memba..Simba and the rest put you through...pole...Kuzaa ni kazi ; W = F x D. Everybody STEALS, a THIEF is one who's CAUGHT stealing something of LITTLE VALUE. !!!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/8/2013 Posts: 2,517
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as Kivuitu GBHS would say 'I don't know if they are cooking figures. .. "😖😡KQ makes money for everyone except the shareholder 😏😏 " overheard in Wazua
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Rank: Elder Joined: 8/16/2011 Posts: 2,297
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The pot is boiling and the broth is sweeter. Wekeni masahani chonjo.
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Rank: New-farer Joined: 9/11/2014 Posts: 21
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I am seeing a dvd of 0.85 in the offing n a likely rally all the way to 27 before books close!
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Rank: New-farer Joined: 2/8/2015 Posts: 14 Location: masaku
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When are they announcing???
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Rank: Elder Joined: 8/16/2011 Posts: 2,297
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joejuma wrote:When are they announcing??? Hehhehehheheeeeee Step Brothers...Co-op, Equity, Britam, CIC, HFCK will do their laundry together.
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Rank: Member Joined: 7/2/2014 Posts: 123
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abkon2014 wrote:I am seeing a dvd of 0.85 in the offing n a likely rally all the way to 27 before books close! if they are going to include the restructuring costs and retrenchment packages in the fy like nbk did then it might eat into that dividend ,
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 11/15/2013 Posts: 1,977 Location: Here
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Sliding.....with cic together! cold feet.  Everybody STEALS, a THIEF is one who's CAUGHT stealing something of LITTLE VALUE. !!!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/7/2012 Posts: 11,908
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What is cooking here!!! In the business world, everyone is paid in two coins - cash and experience. Take the experience first; the cash will come later - H Geneen
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Rank: Elder Joined: 8/16/2011 Posts: 2,297
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Angelica _ann wrote:What is cooking here!!! What actually happens in such anxious stocks investors wait and they develop some eargers/panic in any way that make them press the sell button flooding the market with supply at a given price that the stock holds for long with assumption that it will not go up again or where information is lacking(tight and no romours)of expected performance. This happened with Equity that had a good return though the price had fallen from a high of 57 to 51. If there is no buying, then its a flood and price must go down for a buy.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 11/15/2013 Posts: 1,977 Location: Here
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Realtreaty wrote:Angelica _ann wrote:What is cooking here!!! What actually happens in such anxious stocks investors wait and they develop some eargers/panic in any way that make them press the sell button flooding the market with supply at a given price that the stock holds for long with assumption that it will not go up again or where information is lacking(tight and no romours)of expected performance. This happened with Equity that had a good return though the price had fallen from a high of 57 to 51. If there is no buying, then its a flood and price must go down for a buy. Let @muriuki give me the bad news as his brother has leaked so that i suffer heart attack once and for all! In baaad mood  Everybody STEALS, a THIEF is one who's CAUGHT stealing something of LITTLE VALUE. !!!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 8/16/2011 Posts: 2,297
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 11/15/2013 Posts: 1,977 Location: Here
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with the price drops from 22.75 to 20 ...iko insider infor na i expect poor results. Everybody STEALS, a THIEF is one who's CAUGHT stealing something of LITTLE VALUE. !!!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 8/16/2011 Posts: 2,297
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Boris Boyka wrote:with the price drops from 22.75 to 20 ...iko insider infor na i expect poor results. The worst could only be a flat dividend...there will be too much stories on MCkinsey Witches and how we will be better of 2015. Muriuki has been smiling and donating to Beyond Zero Campaign...so NO WORRIES!!!!!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 8/16/2011 Posts: 2,297
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Realtreaty wrote:Angelica _ann wrote:What is cooking here!!! What actually happens in such anxious stocks investors wait and they develop some eargness/panic in any way that make them press the sell button flooding the market with supply at a given price that the stock holds for long with assumption that it will not go up again or where information is lacking(tight and no romours)of expected performance. This happened with Equity that had a good return though the price had fallen from a high of 57 to 51. If there is no buying, then its a flood and price must go down for a buy.
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Rank: New-farer Joined: 2/8/2015 Posts: 14 Location: masaku
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Profit to either remain flat or deep by 10%
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