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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2012 Posts: 15,980
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Impunity wrote:murchr wrote:In addition to that, eliminate stage parking. Every bus should drop and pick passengers and go. Esp at GPO, and KENCOM Affordable public MASS transport is the key. If you still have thousands of 33 seater ma3 ferrying people around they will still congest the stages even if they were to park for 2 minutes to pick pax and leave. Yes but in the meantime as they build tram rails (if this ever happens) or HOV lanes, the parking on the roads needs to go. "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/10/2008 Posts: 9,131 Location: Kanjo
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kaka2za wrote:What about working hours? Do we all have to report at 8am and leave at 5pm.Suppose some sectors tweak this so that their employees report earlier or later? or even working from home? i.am.back!!!!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/10/2008 Posts: 9,131 Location: Kanjo
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murchr wrote:Impunity wrote:murchr wrote:In addition to that, eliminate stage parking. Every bus should drop and pick passengers and go. Esp at GPO, and KENCOM Affordable public MASS transport is the key. If you still have thousands of 33 seater ma3 ferrying people around they will still congest the stages even if they were to park for 2 minutes to pick pax and leave. Yes but in the meantime as they build tram rails (if this ever happens) or HOV lanes, the parking on the roads needs to go. The metro trains and buses will be the ultimate solution. They can ferry commuters from say CBD to KU area. KU in turn can build a large car park and make some money from it, commuters would park there and ride on a train/bus to the city. replicate that on Ngong road, Waiyaki Way, Msa road, Langata Road, RIng Road etc and you are good to go for another 50 or so years. Ban even 17 seaters they need strictly large buses & double deckers. i.am.back!!!!
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 12/4/2009 Posts: 1,982 Location: matano manne
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Before all these blue prints happen simple and effective enforcement of the existing traffic act and the highway code would do.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/2/2009 Posts: 26,328 Location: Masada
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murchr wrote:Impunity wrote:murchr wrote:In addition to that, eliminate stage parking. Every bus should drop and pick passengers and go. Esp at GPO, and KENCOM Affordable public MASS transport is the key. If you still have thousands of 33 seater ma3 ferrying people around they will still congest the stages even if they were to park for 2 minutes to pick pax and leave. Yes but in the meantime as they build tram rails (if this ever happens) or HOV lanes, the parking on the roads needs to go. Anaa thng they should urgently do is to create sufficient and wide bus stops so that ma3 and other psvs will not stop right in the middle of the road to pick passengers thus causing traffic snarl up. Then they can arrest and charge those vehicles stopping right in the middle of the road to pick pax,also those pax who boards psv at non designated stops must be arrested and charged. Portfolio: Sold
You know you've made it when you get a parking space for your yatcht.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 9/21/2011 Posts: 2,032
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The cars that need not be on the road every day are those belonging to city residents from high density city estates such as umoja, buru, Kasarani etc. For such estates preference should be given to high capacity buses with dedicated lanes for radius of 10 km from cbd. And if I stay in umoja and work in westlands, why would I need to alight in cbd to connect? There should be a bus from umoja traveling to westlands, another to hurlingam, upperhill etc. Jalopies only need be used by those who stay in diaspora or outskirts, where it is not possible to operate high capacity buses either due to poor roads or low population
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/26/2007 Posts: 6,514
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For example this morning, matatus had choked the exit from Sarit roundabout to Parklands Road. This despite 5 cops stationed at the roundabout. The officer controlling traffic from Lower Kabete Road to the roundabout was perplexed, yet a layman like me saw the problem so easily. Maybe he or his bosses own the matatus hence cannot enforce anything. NKT! Business opportunities are like buses,there's always another one coming
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Rank: User Joined: 8/15/2013 Posts: 13,237 Location: Vacuum
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KulaRaha wrote:For example this morning, matatus had choked the exit from Sarit roundabout to Parklands Road. This despite 5 cops stationed at the roundabout. The officer controlling traffic from Lower Kabete Road to the roundabout was perplexed, yet a layman like me saw the problem so easily.
Maybe he or his bosses own the matatus hence cannot enforce anything. NKT! You are in the wrong career;You need to be a traffic cop If Obiero did it, Who Am I?
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 11/20/2009 Posts: 1,402
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Impunity wrote:murchr wrote:Impunity wrote:murchr wrote:In addition to that, eliminate stage parking. Every bus should drop and pick passengers and go. Esp at GPO, and KENCOM Affordable public MASS transport is the key. If you still have thousands of 33 seater ma3 ferrying people around they will still congest the stages even if they were to park for 2 minutes to pick pax and leave. Yes but in the meantime as they build tram rails (if this ever happens) or HOV lanes, the parking on the roads needs to go. Anaa thng they should urgently do is to create sufficient and wide bus stops so that ma3 and other psvs will not stop right in the middle of the road to pick passengers thus causing traffic snarl up. Then they can arrest and charge those vehicles stopping right in the middle of the road to pick pax,also those pax who boards psv at non designated stops must be arrested and charged. what english is this?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/2/2009 Posts: 26,328 Location: Masada
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Muheani wrote:Impunity wrote:murchr wrote:Impunity wrote:murchr wrote:In addition to that, eliminate stage parking. Every bus should drop and pick passengers and go. Esp at GPO, and KENCOM Affordable public MASS transport is the key. If you still have thousands of 33 seater ma3 ferrying people around they will still congest the stages even if they were to park for 2 minutes to pick pax and leave. Yes but in the meantime as they build tram rails (if this ever happens) or HOV lanes, the parking on the roads needs to go. Anaa thng they should urgently do is to create sufficient and wide bus stops so that ma3 and other psvs will not stop right in the middle of the road to pick passengers thus causing traffic snarl up. Then they can arrest and charge those vehicles stopping right in the middle of the road to pick pax,also those pax who boards psv at non designated stops must be arrested and charged. what english is this? What English is this with a small "e"Portfolio: Sold
You know you've made it when you get a parking space for your yatcht.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 11/20/2009 Posts: 1,402
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Impunity wrote:Muheani wrote:Impunity wrote:murchr wrote:Impunity wrote:murchr wrote:In addition to that, eliminate stage parking. Every bus should drop and pick passengers and go. Esp at GPO, and KENCOM Affordable public MASS transport is the key. If you still have thousands of 33 seater ma3 ferrying people around they will still congest the stages even if they were to park for 2 minutes to pick pax and leave. Yes but in the meantime as they build tram rails (if this ever happens) or HOV lanes, the parking on the roads needs to go. Anaa thng they should urgently do is to create sufficient and wide bus stops so that ma3 and other psvs will not stop right in the middle of the road to pick passengers thus causing traffic snarl up. Then they can arrest and charge those vehicles stopping right in the middle of the road to pick pax,also those pax who boards psv at non designated stops must be arrested and charged. what english is this? What English is this with a small "e" si i was describing your english. it cant have an "E"
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/26/2007 Posts: 6,514
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Swenani wrote:KulaRaha wrote:For example this morning, matatus had choked the exit from Sarit roundabout to Parklands Road. This despite 5 cops stationed at the roundabout. The officer controlling traffic from Lower Kabete Road to the roundabout was perplexed, yet a layman like me saw the problem so easily.
Maybe he or his bosses own the matatus hence cannot enforce anything. NKT! You are in the wrong career;You need to be a traffic cop LOL, I'm too honest and efficient. I wouldn't last a week. Business opportunities are like buses,there's always another one coming
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/2/2009 Posts: 26,328 Location: Masada
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Muheani wrote:Impunity wrote:Muheani wrote:Impunity wrote:murchr wrote:Impunity wrote:murchr wrote:In addition to that, eliminate stage parking. Every bus should drop and pick passengers and go. Esp at GPO, and KENCOM Affordable public MASS transport is the key. If you still have thousands of 33 seater ma3 ferrying people around they will still congest the stages even if they were to park for 2 minutes to pick pax and leave. Yes but in the meantime as they build tram rails (if this ever happens) or HOV lanes, the parking on the roads needs to go. Anaa thng they should urgently do is to create sufficient and wide bus stops so that ma3 and other psvs will not stop right in the middle of the road to pick passengers thus causing traffic snarl up. Then they can arrest and charge those vehicles stopping right in the middle of the road to pick pax,also those pax who boards psv at non designated stops must be arrested and charged. what english is this? What English is this with a small "e" si i was describing your english. it cant have an "E" xo xo. Portfolio: Sold
You know you've made it when you get a parking space for your yatcht.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 5/21/2013 Posts: 2,841 Location: Here
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Impunity wrote:Another thing they should urgently do is to create sufficient and wide bus stops so that ma3 and other psvs will not stop right in the middle of the road to pick passengers thus causing traffic snarl up.
Then they can arrest and charge those vehicles stopping right in the middle of the road to pick pax,also those pax who boards psv at non designated stops must be arrested and charged.
Ditto!! Anybody used Juja road recently? The intended bus stops on this rate are so woefully insufficient that most can hardly accomodate three 14-seater matatus, forget the large minibuses. Life is like playing a violin solo in public and learning the instrument as one goes on.
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Rank: User Joined: 8/15/2013 Posts: 13,237 Location: Vacuum
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PSV's are not responsible for traffic jams in NairobiQuote:For all the bad driving that is attributed to public service vehicles in Nairobi, they form an important part of the solution. Policymakers find it easier to blame them for congestion because most of them are never at their best behaviour.
A hard-nosed, facts-based policy aimed at reducing the average times spent in traffic by commuters would show that public service vehicles are a superior option to private automobiles. Quote:That solution would be to manage the demand for roads by both public service vehicles and personal automobiles by instituting a congestion charge for all vehicles entering Nairobi’s downtown.
An appropriately-priced congestion charge would ensure that drivers pay for occupying roads, which often become scarce resources during the busiest hours of the day. Consequently, people would make the choice between public service vehicles or private automobiles according to their preferences. If Obiero did it, Who Am I?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/26/2007 Posts: 6,514
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Rankaz13 wrote:Impunity wrote:Another thing they should urgently do is to create sufficient and wide bus stops so that ma3 and other psvs will not stop right in the middle of the road to pick passengers thus causing traffic snarl up.
Then they can arrest and charge those vehicles stopping right in the middle of the road to pick pax,also those pax who boards psv at non designated stops must be arrested and charged.
Ditto!! Anybody used Juja road recently? The intended bus stops on this rate are so woefully insufficient that most can hardly accomodate three 14-seater matatus, forget the large minibuses. This is incorrect. There is a MASSIVE bus/ma3 park in Westlands with ample space to accommodate upto 50 matatus. However, they all stop on the road, causing a massive bottleneck at the entry to Waiyaki Way. The only time that part of the road is clear and moving normally is when cops are at the bus park, and matatus enter the park to pick/drop passengers. Matatus cause 50% of Nairobi's traffic, that cannot be denied. Business opportunities are like buses,there's always another one coming
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Rank: User Joined: 8/15/2013 Posts: 13,237 Location: Vacuum
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KulaRaha wrote:Rankaz13 wrote:Impunity wrote:Another thing they should urgently do is to create sufficient and wide bus stops so that ma3 and other psvs will not stop right in the middle of the road to pick passengers thus causing traffic snarl up.
Then they can arrest and charge those vehicles stopping right in the middle of the road to pick pax,also those pax who boards psv at non designated stops must be arrested and charged.
Ditto!! Anybody used Juja road recently? The intended bus stops on this rate are so woefully insufficient that most can hardly accomodate three 14-seater matatus, forget the large minibuses. This is incorrect. There is a MASSIVE bus/ma3 park in Westlands with ample space to accommodate upto 50 matatus. However, they all stop on the road, causing a massive bottleneck at the entry to Waiyaki Way. The only time that part of the road is clear and moving normally is when cops are at the bus park, and matatus enter the park to pick/drop passengers. Matatus cause 50% of Nairobi's traffic, that cannot be denied. Passengers cause 100% of Nairobi's traffic jam,I have seen themwaiting for Matatus just outside cooperative house instead of going to the Bus station or railwasy bus station,Matatus stop on the road because that's where the passengers are. If Obiero did it, Who Am I?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/26/2007 Posts: 6,514
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So this morning I was on the highway past Museum at the Uni Way roundabout. The highway ahead past Laico was clear, and all the cop handling traffic from Westlands had to do was open up and let cars flow. The rest of the cops had closed off traffic from town, from Globe etc. We sat there for almost 5 minutes while the dumb cop was busy on his cellphone, probably checking bribes being received via Mpesa. The other cops were gesturing for him to open, but he was just too busy to bother. Such lapses contribute to traffic just as much as matatus, handcarts and cows. Business opportunities are like buses,there's always another one coming
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/2/2009 Posts: 26,328 Location: Masada
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KulaRaha wrote:Rankaz13 wrote:Impunity wrote:Another thing they should urgently do is to create sufficient and wide bus stops so that ma3 and other psvs will not stop right in the middle of the road to pick passengers thus causing traffic snarl up.
Then they can arrest and charge those vehicles stopping right in the middle of the road to pick pax,also those pax who boards psv at non designated stops must be arrested and charged.
Ditto!! Anybody used Juja road recently? The intended bus stops on this rate are so woefully insufficient that most can hardly accomodate three 14-seater matatus, forget the large minibuses. This is incorrect. There is a MASSIVE bus/ma3 park in Westlands with ample space to accommodate upto 50 matatus. However, they all stop on the road, causing a massive bottleneck at the entry to Waiyaki Way. The only time that part of the road is clear and moving normally is when cops are at the bus park, and matatus enter the park to pick/drop passengers. Matatus cause 50% of Nairobi's traffic, that cannot be denied. Can you imagine in Juja Road where bust stops are not available or can only accommodate one 14-seater? Lucky you people of westy that yu got such a huge parking and yu dont use it. The offenders must be arrested and castrated. Portfolio: Sold
You know you've made it when you get a parking space for your yatcht.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/2/2009 Posts: 26,328 Location: Masada
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Swenani wrote:KulaRaha wrote:Rankaz13 wrote:Impunity wrote:Another thing they should urgently do is to create sufficient and wide bus stops so that ma3 and other psvs will not stop right in the middle of the road to pick passengers thus causing traffic snarl up.
Then they can arrest and charge those vehicles stopping right in the middle of the road to pick pax,also those pax who boards psv at non designated stops must be arrested and charged.
Ditto!! Anybody used Juja road recently? The intended bus stops on this rate are so woefully insufficient that most can hardly accomodate three 14-seater matatus, forget the large minibuses. This is incorrect. There is a MASSIVE bus/ma3 park in Westlands with ample space to accommodate upto 50 matatus. However, they all stop on the road, causing a massive bottleneck at the entry to Waiyaki Way. The only time that part of the road is clear and moving normally is when cops are at the bus park, and matatus enter the park to pick/drop passengers. Matatus cause 50% of Nairobi's traffic, that cannot be denied. Passengers cause 100% of Nairobi's traffic jam,I have seen themwaiting for Matatus just outside cooperative house instead of going to the Bus station or railwasy bus station,Matatus stop on the road because that's where the passengers are. If ma3 stop only at bus stations/stops then pax will have no option but to follow suit. Portfolio: Sold
You know you've made it when you get a parking space for your yatcht.
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