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tycho wrote:Who or what, is God?
God, I have found, and seen, is a self organized and emergent idea, and experience, that is; assimilated, acted out, internalized, projected, introjected, and institutionalized, then looped back to the start- self organization and emergence- and down the flow again, for the purpose of creating, interpreting, modifying, and justifying human experience and the politics of human experience. 'Self organized' implies sovereign. Independent. Autonomous. Supreme. Hence not compatible with 'looped back to the start'. Self contradiction. This post belongs to the Contradiction Premises thread, not this one.
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Muriel wrote:tycho wrote:Who or what, is God?
God, I have found, and seen, is a self organized and emergent idea, and experience, that is; assimilated, acted out, internalized, projected, introjected, and institutionalized, then looped back to the start- self organization and emergence- and down the flow again, for the purpose of creating, interpreting, modifying, and justifying human experience and the politics of human experience. 'Self organized' implies sovereign. Independent. Autonomous. Supreme. Hence not compatible with 'looped back to the start'. Self contradiction. This post belongs to the Contradiction Premises thread, not this one. The thread title is a contradiction of the intent of the thread starter If Obiero did it, Who Am I?
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Muriel wrote:tycho wrote:Who or what, is God?
God, I have found, and seen, is a self organized and emergent idea, and experience, that is; assimilated, acted out, internalized, projected, introjected, and institutionalized, then looped back to the start- self organization and emergence- and down the flow again, for the purpose of creating, interpreting, modifying, and justifying human experience and the politics of human experience. 'Self organized' implies sovereign. Independent. Autonomous. Supreme. Hence not compatible with 'looped back to the start'. Self contradiction. This post belongs to the Contradiction Premises thread, not this one. It could also mean 'entropy'.
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Swenani wrote:Muriel wrote:tycho wrote:Who or what, is God?
God, I have found, and seen, is a self organized and emergent idea, and experience, that is; assimilated, acted out, internalized, projected, introjected, and institutionalized, then looped back to the start- self organization and emergence- and down the flow again, for the purpose of creating, interpreting, modifying, and justifying human experience and the politics of human experience. 'Self organized' implies sovereign. Independent. Autonomous. Supreme. Hence not compatible with 'looped back to the start'. Self contradiction. This post belongs to the Contradiction Premises thread, not this one. The thread title is a contradiction of the intent of the thread starter How?
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The supremacy of God is derived not given.
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tycho wrote:Swenani wrote:Muriel wrote:tycho wrote:Who or what, is God?
God, I have found, and seen, is a self organized and emergent idea, and experience, that is; assimilated, acted out, internalized, projected, introjected, and institutionalized, then looped back to the start- self organization and emergence- and down the flow again, for the purpose of creating, interpreting, modifying, and justifying human experience and the politics of human experience. 'Self organized' implies sovereign. Independent. Autonomous. Supreme. Hence not compatible with 'looped back to the start'. Self contradiction. This post belongs to the Contradiction Premises thread, not this one. The thread title is a contradiction of the intent of the thread starter How? You started this thread with the intent to learn but you also find it difficult to imagine that you can learn that there is/can be no God. If Obiero did it, Who Am I?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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Swenani wrote:tycho wrote:Swenani wrote:Muriel wrote:tycho wrote:Who or what, is God?
God, I have found, and seen, is a self organized and emergent idea, and experience, that is; assimilated, acted out, internalized, projected, introjected, and institutionalized, then looped back to the start- self organization and emergence- and down the flow again, for the purpose of creating, interpreting, modifying, and justifying human experience and the politics of human experience. 'Self organized' implies sovereign. Independent. Autonomous. Supreme. Hence not compatible with 'looped back to the start'. Self contradiction. This post belongs to the Contradiction Premises thread, not this one. The thread title is a contradiction of the intent of the thread starter How? You started this thread with the intent to learn but you also find it difficult to imagine that you can learn that there is/can be no God. That's not true. There's lots of space here for 'No God'. Valid space and even valid reality. God can 'die' or even disappear.
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tycho wrote:Muriel wrote:tycho wrote:Who or what, is God?
God, I have found, and seen, is a self organized and emergent idea, and experience, that is; assimilated, acted out, internalized, projected, introjected, and institutionalized, then looped back to the start- self organization and emergence- and down the flow again, for the purpose of creating, interpreting, modifying, and justifying human experience and the politics of human experience. 'Self organized' implies sovereign. Independent. Autonomous. Supreme. Hence not compatible with 'looped back to the start'. Self contradiction. This post belongs to the Contradiction Premises thread, not this one. It could also mean 'entropy'. 'Self organization' or 'emergence' don't imply 'supreme' or 'autonomous'.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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Theology is a 'higher' form of psychology or psychiatry; the seperation - individuation process of the infant culminates in the opposite; unification - homogenization.
Atheism, or agnosticism are theologies in this case, that try a different approach to this higher psychology.
As such, all holy Scripture are first and foremost psychological texts before they are logical.
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How many sons did father Abraham have?
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I don't even know what is going on here
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wangu.n wrote:I don't even know what is going on here Then you are in the right place. Learning is going on here.
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tycho wrote:tycho wrote:Muriel wrote:tycho wrote:Who or what, is God?
God, I have found, and seen, is a self organized and emergent idea, and experience, that is; assimilated, acted out, internalized, projected, introjected, and institutionalized, then looped back to the start- self organization and emergence- and down the flow again, for the purpose of creating, interpreting, modifying, and justifying human experience and the politics of human experience. 'Self organized' implies sovereign. Independent. Autonomous. Supreme. Hence not compatible with 'looped back to the start'. Self contradiction. This post belongs to the Contradiction Premises thread, not this one. It could also mean 'entropy'. 'Self organization' or 'emergence' don't imply 'supreme' or 'autonomous'. Self organized imply autonomy and sovereign. Since when did 'self-organised' mean organized by third parties? 'Entropy' is an intrusion.
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Muriel wrote:tycho wrote:tycho wrote:Muriel wrote:tycho wrote:Who or what, is God?
God, I have found, and seen, is a self organized and emergent idea, and experience, that is; assimilated, acted out, internalized, projected, introjected, and institutionalized, then looped back to the start- self organization and emergence- and down the flow again, for the purpose of creating, interpreting, modifying, and justifying human experience and the politics of human experience. 'Self organized' implies sovereign. Independent. Autonomous. Supreme. Hence not compatible with 'looped back to the start'. Self contradiction. This post belongs to the Contradiction Premises thread, not this one. It could also mean 'entropy'. 'Self organization' or 'emergence' don't imply 'supreme' or 'autonomous'. Self organized imply autonomy and sovereign. Since when did 'self-organised' mean organized by third parties? 'Entropy' is an intrusion. Just passing By!!! You will know that you have arrived when money and time are not mutually exclusive "events" in you life!
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XSK wrote:Muriel wrote:tycho wrote:tycho wrote:Muriel wrote:tycho wrote:Who or what, is God?
God, I have found, and seen, is a self organized and emergent idea, and experience, that is; assimilated, acted out, internalized, projected, introjected, and institutionalized, then looped back to the start- self organization and emergence- and down the flow again, for the purpose of creating, interpreting, modifying, and justifying human experience and the politics of human experience. 'Self organized' implies sovereign. Independent. Autonomous. Supreme. Hence not compatible with 'looped back to the start'. Self contradiction. This post belongs to the Contradiction Premises thread, not this one. It could also mean 'entropy'. 'Self organization' or 'emergence' don't imply 'supreme' or 'autonomous'. Self organized imply autonomy and sovereign. Since when did 'self-organised' mean organized by third parties? 'Entropy' is an intrusion. Just passing By!!! You can pass by without making noise! If Obiero did it, Who Am I?
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tycho wrote:Swenani wrote:tycho wrote:Swenani wrote:Muriel wrote:tycho wrote:Who or what, is God?
God, I have found, and seen, is a self organized and emergent idea, and experience, that is; assimilated, acted out, internalized, projected, introjected, and institutionalized, then looped back to the start- self organization and emergence- and down the flow again, for the purpose of creating, interpreting, modifying, and justifying human experience and the politics of human experience. 'Self organized' implies sovereign. Independent. Autonomous. Supreme. Hence not compatible with 'looped back to the start'. Self contradiction. This post belongs to the Contradiction Premises thread, not this one. The thread title is a contradiction of the intent of the thread starter How? You started this thread with the intent to learn but you also find it difficult to imagine that you can learn that there is/can be no God. That's not true. There's lots of space here for 'No God'. Valid space and even valid reality. God can 'die' or even disappear. Learning cannot take place if other possibilities are out-rightly ruled out. That will be like rote memorization. Hardly learning.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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Muriel wrote:tycho wrote:tycho wrote:Muriel wrote:tycho wrote:Who or what, is God?
God, I have found, and seen, is a self organized and emergent idea, and experience, that is; assimilated, acted out, internalized, projected, introjected, and institutionalized, then looped back to the start- self organization and emergence- and down the flow again, for the purpose of creating, interpreting, modifying, and justifying human experience and the politics of human experience. 'Self organized' implies sovereign. Independent. Autonomous. Supreme. Hence not compatible with 'looped back to the start'. Self contradiction. This post belongs to the Contradiction Premises thread, not this one. It could also mean 'entropy'. 'Self organization' or 'emergence' don't imply 'supreme' or 'autonomous'. Self organized imply autonomy and sovereign. Since when did 'self-organised' mean organized by third parties? 'Entropy' is an intrusion. Take the following definition of self organization http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-organization
Do you agree with it? What do you mean when you say 'entropy is an intrusion'?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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Muriel wrote:tycho wrote:Swenani wrote:tycho wrote:Swenani wrote:Muriel wrote:tycho wrote:Who or what, is God?
God, I have found, and seen, is a self organized and emergent idea, and experience, that is; assimilated, acted out, internalized, projected, introjected, and institutionalized, then looped back to the start- self organization and emergence- and down the flow again, for the purpose of creating, interpreting, modifying, and justifying human experience and the politics of human experience. 'Self organized' implies sovereign. Independent. Autonomous. Supreme. Hence not compatible with 'looped back to the start'. Self contradiction. This post belongs to the Contradiction Premises thread, not this one. The thread title is a contradiction of the intent of the thread starter How? You started this thread with the intent to learn but you also find it difficult to imagine that you can learn that there is/can be no God. That's not true. There's lots of space here for 'No God'. Valid space and even valid reality. God can 'die' or even disappear. Learning cannot take place if other possibilities are out-rightly ruled out. That will be like rote memorization. Hardly learning. What possibilities have been ruled out?
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tycho wrote:Muriel wrote:tycho wrote:Swenani wrote:tycho wrote:Swenani wrote:Muriel wrote:tycho wrote:Who or what, is God?
God, I have found, and seen, is a self organized and emergent idea, and experience, that is; assimilated, acted out, internalized, projected, introjected, and institutionalized, then looped back to the start- self organization and emergence- and down the flow again, for the purpose of creating, interpreting, modifying, and justifying human experience and the politics of human experience. 'Self organized' implies sovereign. Independent. Autonomous. Supreme. Hence not compatible with 'looped back to the start'. Self contradiction. This post belongs to the Contradiction Premises thread, not this one. The thread title is a contradiction of the intent of the thread starter How? You started this thread with the intent to learn but you also find it difficult to imagine that you can learn that there is/can be no God. That's not true. There's lots of space here for 'No God'. Valid space and even valid reality. God can 'die' or even disappear. Learning cannot take place if other possibilities are out-rightly ruled out. That will be like rote memorization. Hardly learning. What possibilities have been ruled out? Isn't challenging/countering same as rejection? tycho wrote:
There are those who believe that God doesn't exist- and I wish to engage them here - leaving me with the challenge of first showing that God, or a God(s) indeed exist(s).
If Obiero did it, Who Am I?
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Quote:This process is spontaneous: it is not necessarily directed or controlled by any agent or subsystem inside or outside of the system. That sounds to me as autonomy. 'Entropy' is an intrusion in that you are trying to artificially make it a part of this learning. Like sticking it with glue or sellotape where it is not a natural part.
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