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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/19/2013 Posts: 2,552
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AlphDoti wrote:KIKItheKING wrote:Wakanyugi wrote:KIKItheKING wrote:Wakanyugi wrote:KIKItheKING wrote:God is not a contradictory God. HE is the Supreme being. Hence logic can never be applied to HIM. But if its the accient gods, then the question is contradictory. So god is now a he? When did that happen? This just gets gets curiouser and curiouser. In the begining God said They creat a person in THEIR own image. They created a Man. So God is HE But did they not also create Woman? Yes They did. But a woman came as an after_thought. To keep company the Man who They had created in their own image. @kiki, you go wrong in a few things  First, the woman was not created as an after-thought, that is reducing God to human, how can He be All-Knowing and Al-Seeing if he didn't foresee that Adam would need a woman? Can you create and "aeroplane" that can "land" without knowing he would need an "airport"? These are the same thinking I always blast kina @pastor for telling you ati Adam heard God's footsteps "bung! bung!". Do you really believe this tiny earth, God was walking on it? What was He stepping on before creating Earth? Such kind of thinking makes kina @hamburglar to become atheists! Secondly, you have not understood the meaning "WE". Just google "royal plural" or "majesty plural". That's how God addresses Himself when talking on authoritative perspective. The first mention of God(Elohim) in the Bible is in the plural.Man is created in God's own image(no angels) and God referred to Himself in the plural( Us) yet he still maintains that He is one.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/19/2013 Posts: 2,552
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AlphDoti wrote:So even a concept like TRINITY was never preached by any prophet. Even Jesus never preached about this. Now you're a big boy. Please do research now. Find out when this TRINITY story came about. It's not even in the Bible. And the only close verse in the Bible that the creators on TRINITY used to convince the church has been removed as interpolation. The verse has been removed from the Bible in revised versions. It was Paul who came up with these concepts   @AlphDoti - I'll summarize what I think you are trying to say but mostly hide. 1.The God described in the Bible and Allah are not the same.Submission to Allah is submission to a different God than that of Judaism and Christianity. 2.The Jesus of Islam and the prophets of Allah in the Quran are different from the prophets in the Bible and Jesus of Christianity. 3.The scriptures that Islam approves i.e. the Torah of Moses,Psalms of David and Gospel of Jesus do not exist.Please share if you have any of them it might explain why you say cherubs are "beautiful young girls". 4.The "royal plural" is a weak attempt to discredit the Trinity but it does establish a platform for you to discredit Paul and the Trinity. 5.Finally,the Bible says the liar and the antichrist is the person who denies the Father and the Son.Muhammad and the Quran do exactly that! What does that say about Allah?
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"God has never removed the possibility of doubt. Our faith must rest upon evidence, not demonstration. Those who wish to doubt will have opportunity; while those who really desire to know the truth will find plenty of evidence on which to rest their faith." - EGW
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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symbols wrote:symbols wrote:AlphDoti wrote:So even a concept like TRINITY was never preached by any prophet. Even Jesus never preached about this. Now you're a big boy. Please do research now. Find out when this TRINITY story came about. It's not even in the Bible. And the only close verse in the Bible that the creators on TRINITY used to convince the church has been removed as interpolation. The verse has been removed from the Bible in revised versions. It was Paul who came up with these concepts @AlphDoti - I'll summarize what I think you are trying to say but mostly hide. 1.The God described in the Bible and Allah are not the same.Submission to Allah is submission to a different God than that of Judaism and Christianity. 2.The Jesus of Islam and the prophets of Allah in the Quran are different from the prophets in the Bible and Jesus of Christianity. 3.The scriptures that Islam approves i.e. the Torah of Moses,Psalms of David and Gospel of Jesus do not exist.Please share if you have any of them it might explain why you say cherubs are "beautiful young girls". 4.The "royal plural" is a weak attempt to discredit the Trinity but it does establish a platform for you to discredit Paul and the Trinity. 5.Finally,the Bible says the liar and the antichrist is the person who denies the Father and the Son.Muhammad and the Quran do exactly that! What does that say about Allah? Sounds like something Allah would plot against Yahweh. Cherubs are "beautiful young girls"? Thank you for your good questions about Islam. @symbol if you're a smart person as you try to portray, you should know that Islam teaches that there is no "Muslim God", "Christian God", or "Jewish God". There is only the One true God of the universe, of all humans, whether they call themselves Hindus, Jews, Christians, or Muslims. Evidence in the Quran: {He is the First and the Last, the Evident and the Hidden: and He has full knowledge of all things.} (Quran chapter 57:3) {He has created the heavens and the earth in just proportions, and has given you shape, and made your shapes beautiful: and to Him is the final Goal.} (Quran chapter 64:3) {To God belong the dominion of the heavens and the earth, and all that is between: and unto Him is the final goal (of all)} (Quran chapter 5:18) Of course, when you ask "what does that say about Allah" you mean, God according to Islam. And I tell you that yes, some of the things in the Bible about God is not right. For example: - a god riding on the backs of cherubs (beautiful young girls)!!! - a god that will borrow a razer to shave the thighs of human beings!!! - a god asking people to eat SHIT and drink PISS!!! - a god smearing DUNG on your faces!!! - a god instructing people to eat cake with SHIT!!! So you realize that there is a lot of man made ideas in the Bible. In fact Christianity was not the religion of Jesus, Christianity was started by Paul 6 years after Jesus departed from this world at Antioch. You cannot dispute that. This is the time when he came up with TRINITY. No prophet preached about TRINITY, in fact the word TRINITY is not in the Bible. Also, God never revealed the name Yahweh as his name! It is the same human beings who concocted the name!! You cannot dispute all these things I have listed. The other point I am stressing is that Islam is not an invention of Muhammad (pbuh). Islam is the religion since the first man set foot on this earth, prophet Adam (pbuh). The word, "Islam" comes from the root word "salam", which means "peace". Islam means "submission" to the will of God. As I told you before, Islam was the religion of all the prophets of God, from Noah, Abraham, Moses, Jesus, and Muhammad (peace be upon them all). And I repeat again that Islam approves of all the prophets of God. Islam also approves all the scriptures of God, from the Torah, the Psalms, the Gospel, and the Quran.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/19/2013 Posts: 2,552
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@AlphDoti - Instead of repeating your claims address the issues I've brought up.If you want my sources and how I arrived at the conclusions please ask. 1.Allah is not Yahweh.Islam is not the religion of Yahweh.See my previous post. 2.Quote the Bible on what you think isn't right for God to do or command and the man-made ideas so I can separate your opinions from scripture. 3.Christianity is based on the life,works,teachings,death and resurrection of Jesus Christ.Paul couldn't have started it and according to the Quran it is Allah who is to blame for the rise of Christianity. 4.Whether the word Trinity exists in the Bible or not is irrelevant.What it defines is present in the Bible.Apart from the quote below, see my previous posts. Proverbs 30:4 wrote:Who has gone up to heaven and come down? Who has gathered the wind in His hands? Who has bound up the waters in a cloak? Who has established all the ends of the earth? What is His name, and what is the name of His Son-- if you know? 5. In the Old Testament Yahweh occurs 6,519 times. This name is used more than any other name of God. Yahweh is first used in Gen 2:4. It is not a concocted name. 6.Muhammad and Islam introduce a narrative that differs from the Bible and explicitly denies that Jesus is the Son of God.The prophets you are referring to are not the same prophets the Bible describes and Islam's approval of them is based on Muhammad's narrative. Going by the Bible,Islam is a different religion.You are yet to provide the Islamic sources for the scriptures you claim Islam approves of and why other books of the Bible are excluded from your list.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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tycho wrote:Does God need prophets? FEAR GOD
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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So buddy, let us start from no.5. You said Yahweh occurs thousand times in Old Testament. Who is Yahweh? Please enlighten me. The Bible reference you provided Gen 2:4 in my KJV, the name Yahweh or Jehovah does not appear. Instead it says "Lord God". Quote:Genesis 2:4 King James Version (KJV)
4 These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the Lord God made the earth and the heavens.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/19/2013 Posts: 2,552
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AlphDoti wrote:So buddy, let us start from no.5. You said Yahweh occurs thousand times in Old Testament. Who is Yahweh? Please enlighten me. The Bible reference you provided Gen 2:4 in my KJV, the name Yahweh or Jehovah does not appear. Instead it says "Lord God". Quote:Genesis 2:4 King James Version (KJV)
4 These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the Lord God made the earth and the heavens. <skip for later>
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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symbols wrote:AlphDoti wrote:So buddy, let us start from no.5. You said Yahweh occurs thousand times in Old Testament. Who is Yahweh? Please enlighten me. The Bible reference you provided Gen 2:4 in my KJV, the name Yahweh or Jehovah does not appear. Instead it says "Lord God". Quote:Genesis 2:4 King James Version (KJV)
4 These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the Lord God made the earth and the heavens. <skip for later> Coward!!! Didn't you say Yahweh is appearing thousand times in Bible? Now you're running away? You've gone to ask your pastor? 
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/19/2013 Posts: 2,552
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AlphDoti wrote:symbols wrote:AlphDoti wrote:So buddy, let us start from no.5. You said Yahweh occurs thousand times in Old Testament. Who is Yahweh? Please enlighten me. The Bible reference you provided Gen 2:4 in my KJV, the name Yahweh or Jehovah does not appear. Instead it says "Lord God". Quote:Genesis 2:4 King James Version (KJV)
4 These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the Lord God made the earth and the heavens. <skip for later> Coward!!! Didn't you say Yahweh is appearing thousand times in Bible? Now you're running away? You've gone to ask your pastor? Question: "What do LORD, GOD, Lord, God, etc., stand for in the Bible? Why are they used in place of God's name?"
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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symbols wrote:AlphDoti wrote:symbols wrote:AlphDoti wrote:So buddy, let us start from no.5. You said Yahweh occurs thousand times in Old Testament. Who is Yahweh? Please enlighten me. The Bible reference you provided Gen 2:4 in my KJV, the name Yahweh or Jehovah does not appear. Instead it says "Lord God". Quote:Genesis 2:4 King James Version (KJV)
4 These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the Lord God made the earth and the heavens. <skip for later> Coward!!! Didn't you say Yahweh is appearing thousand times in Bible? Now you're running away? You've gone to ask your pastor? Question: "What do LORD, GOD, Lord, God, etc., stand for in the Bible? Why are they used in place of God's name?" The question is, what is God's name? Does the Bible say the name of God is YAHWEH? If yes, then give us the verse.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/19/2013 Posts: 2,552
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AlphDoti wrote:symbols wrote:AlphDoti wrote:symbols wrote:AlphDoti wrote:So buddy, let us start from no.5. You said Yahweh occurs thousand times in Old Testament. Who is Yahweh? Please enlighten me. The Bible reference you provided Gen 2:4 in my KJV, the name Yahweh or Jehovah does not appear. Instead it says "Lord God". Quote:Genesis 2:4 King James Version (KJV)
4 These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the Lord God made the earth and the heavens. <skip for later> Coward!!! Didn't you say Yahweh is appearing thousand times in Bible? Now you're running away? You've gone to ask your pastor? Question: "What do LORD, GOD, Lord, God, etc., stand for in the Bible? Why are they used in place of God's name?" The question is, what is God's name? Does the Bible say the name of God is YAHWEH? If yes, then give us the verse. The answers to your questions can be found in the links I have provided.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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symbols wrote:AlphDoti wrote:symbols wrote:AlphDoti wrote:symbols wrote:AlphDoti wrote:So buddy, let us start from no.5. You said Yahweh occurs thousand times in Old Testament. Who is Yahweh? Please enlighten me. The Bible reference you provided Gen 2:4 in my KJV, the name Yahweh or Jehovah does not appear. Instead it says "Lord God". Quote:Genesis 2:4 King James Version (KJV)
4 These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the Lord God made the earth and the heavens. <skip for later> Coward!!! Didn't you say Yahweh is appearing thousand times in Bible? Now you're running away? You've gone to ask your pastor? Question: "What do LORD, GOD, Lord, God, etc., stand for in the Bible? Why are they used in place of God's name?" The question is, what is God's name? Does the Bible say the name of God is YAHWEH? If yes, then give us the verse. The answers to your questions can be found in the links I have provided. And that's exactly the problem, you go to links, and copy stuff here. Can't you for once be your own self? There is no need in putting your heart and your soul in people's articles on the Internet. Can't you defend the very Bible you said it talks of YahWeh! Anyway, as regards the link, does it say the name of God is YahWeh?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/19/2013 Posts: 2,552
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@AlphDoti - Unless you are questioning the authenticity of the information provided in the links,I believe I have provided you with the information you have requested.
Where is the proof of your claims?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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symbols wrote:@AlphDoti - Unless you are questioning the authenticity of the information provided in the links,I believe I have provided you with the information you have requested.
Where is the proof of your claims? What have I claimed @symbol, I'm not discussing authenticity of Internet sites, let leave that to experts in that area. I didn't ask you for Internet links. Everybody can give links, and wazua would be site of links. So back your issue no.5: you said Yahweh appears thousands in the Bible. Enlighten me, where the Bible says the name of God is YAHWEH. Where is the proof of your claims?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/19/2013 Posts: 2,552
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AlphDoti wrote:symbols wrote:@AlphDoti - Unless you are questioning the authenticity of the information provided in the links,I believe I have provided you with the information you have requested.
Where is the proof of your claims? What have I claimed @symbol, I'm not discussing authenticity of Internet sites, let leave that to experts in that area. I didn't ask you for Internet links. Everybody can give links, and wazua would be site of links. So back your issue no.5: you said Yahweh appears thousands in the Bible. Enlighten me, where the Bible says the name of God is YAHWEH. Where is the proof of your claims? Post 64 AlphDoti wrote:
Also, God never revealed the name Yahweh as his name! It is the same human beings who concocted the name!!
Exodus 6:3 wrote:And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by the name of God Almighty, but by my name JEHOVAH was I not known to them. from KingJamesBibleOnline
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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symbols wrote:AlphDoti wrote:symbols wrote:@AlphDoti - Unless you are questioning the authenticity of the information provided in the links,I believe I have provided you with the information you have requested.
Where is the proof of your claims? What have I claimed @symbol, I'm not discussing authenticity of Internet sites, let leave that to experts in that area. I didn't ask you for Internet links. Everybody can give links, and wazua would be site of links. So back your issue no.5: you said Yahweh appears thousands in the Bible. Enlighten me, where the Bible says the name of God is YAHWEH. Where is the proof of your claims? Post 64 AlphDoti wrote:
Also, God never revealed the name Yahweh as his name! It is the same human beings who concocted the name!!
Exodus 6:3 wrote:And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by the name of God Almighty, but by my name JEHOVAH was I not known to them. from KingJamesBibleOnline Now you're talking. But, the reference you've given Exodus 6:3 in my KJV 1952, YAHWEH does not appear. See the following picture I took of the page, it says "...but by my name the LORD..." 
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/19/2013 Posts: 2,552
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AlphDoti wrote:symbols wrote:AlphDoti wrote:symbols wrote:@AlphDoti - Unless you are questioning the authenticity of the information provided in the links,I believe I have provided you with the information you have requested.
Where is the proof of your claims? What have I claimed @symbol, I'm not discussing authenticity of Internet sites, let leave that to experts in that area. I didn't ask you for Internet links. Everybody can give links, and wazua would be site of links. So back your issue no.5: you said Yahweh appears thousands in the Bible. Enlighten me, where the Bible says the name of God is YAHWEH. Where is the proof of your claims? Post 64 AlphDoti wrote:
Also, God never revealed the name Yahweh as his name! It is the same human beings who concocted the name!!
Exodus 6:3 wrote:And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by the name of God Almighty, but by my name JEHOVAH was I not known to them. from KingJamesBibleOnline Now you're talking. But, the reference you've given Exodus 6:3 in my KJV 1952, YAHWEH does not appear. See the following picture I took of the page, it says "...but by my name the LORD..." 1 John 2:22 wrote:Who is the liar but he who denies that Jesus is the Christ? This is the antichrist, he who denies the Father and the Son. What does yours say?
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