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op·po·site /ˈäpəzət/
adjective
1. having a position on the other or further
side of something; facing something,
especially something of the same type.
2. diametrically different; of a contrary kind.
noun
a person or thing that is totally different from
or the reverse of someone or something else.
adverb
in a position facing a specified or implied
subject.
preposition
1. in a position on the other side of a
specific area from; facing.
2. (of a leading actor) in a complementary
role to (another performer).
con·tra·dic·tion /ˌkäntrəˈdikSH(ə)n/
noun
a combination of statements, ideas, or
features of a situation that are opposed to
one another.
So, how and when does 'opposite' differ from 'contradictory'?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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Finally @AlphDoti, and anyone, show me Esau's sin, that made God to prefer Jacob over him, and when it was committed.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 9/23/2009 Posts: 8,083 Location: Enk are Nyirobi
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tycho wrote:AlphDoti wrote:tycho wrote:AlphDoti wrote:tycho wrote:Of course. (If there's such an entity with such power). @tycho I thought with your broad knowledge,I thought you have studied "The law of non-contradiction"  The definition of God (true God) is not God of contradiction. If you know of a god who is a creator and he creates contradictory things, then he is not God. Isn't it amazing that this all powerful 'God' is limited to Boolean logic? Your sentiments @AlphDoti, are probably an indicator of how humans create God and hide the fact from themselves. Someone called it 'the mystification of experience'. It is true some people have "created" gods, and that is why you end up with things which are contradictory. That's why a said up there in my post " If you know of a god who is a creator and he creates contradictory things, then he is not God." Hahaha! So the God who created 'matter' isn't the one who created 'anti-matter'? Or is it me who's seeing contradiction everywhere? Back to the stone. We know that man can create something that he cannot carry eg a 5 tonne lorry. We know that God is greater than man. So logically God can create something that he cannot carry, otherwise he would be inferior to man. Life is short. Live passionately.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 7/3/2007 Posts: 1,634
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KIKItheKING wrote:God can do ANYTHING.. Can He make a stone too heavy for Him to lift?
[Max Shulman - The many loves of Dobie Gillis _ 1951] There is a fundamental flaw in this question. The implied idea that there is a god 'out there' separate from human beings, rocks, trucks, tychos and alphadotis. There isn't. There is no 'out there' either. "The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement. But the opposite of a profound truth may well be another profound truth." (Niels Bohr)
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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Wakanyugi wrote:KIKItheKING wrote:God can do ANYTHING.. Can He make a stone too heavy for Him to lift?
[Max Shulman - The many loves of Dobie Gillis _ 1951] There is a fundamental flaw in this question. The implied idea that there is a god 'out there' separate from human beings, rocks, trucks, tychos and alphadotis. There isn't. There is no 'out there' either. Wakanyugi, how have you inferred this 'out there' implication?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/19/2013 Posts: 2,552
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KIKItheKING wrote:God can do ANYTHING.. Can He make a stone too heavy for Him to lift?
[Max Shulman - The many loves of Dobie Gillis _ 1951] Yes and no and yes or no.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 11/17/2012 Posts: 1,461 Location: Ngong Forest
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tycho wrote:Finally @AlphDoti, and anyone, show me Esau's sin, that made God to prefer Jacob over him, and when it was committed. Haya tunagoja, bring the coloured tabloids. One offered the best from his flock while the other some fruits and vegetables
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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tycho wrote:Wakanyugi wrote:KIKItheKING wrote:God can do ANYTHING.. Can He make a stone too heavy for Him to lift?
[Max Shulman - The many loves of Dobie Gillis _ 1951] There is a fundamental flaw in this question. The implied idea that there is a god 'out there' separate from human beings, rocks, trucks, tychos and alphadotis. There isn't. There is no 'out there' either. Wakanyugi, how have you inferred this 'out there' implication? It is like asking the question: my friend John, he was admitted to hospital, he gave birth to a child, was it a girl or a boy? Can you guess? The thing is that, my friend John was a man, how can he give birth to a child? If he cannot give birth to a child, where is the question of baby being a boy or a girl? So @tycho, similarly as I told you earlier, the definition of God (true God) is not God of contradiction. If you know of a God who is a creator and he creates contradictory things, then he is not God.
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Rank: Member Joined: 1/7/2015 Posts: 125
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AlphDoti wrote:tycho wrote:Wakanyugi wrote:KIKItheKING wrote:God can do ANYTHING.. Can He make a stone too heavy for Him to lift?
[Max Shulman - The many loves of Dobie Gillis _ 1951] There is a fundamental flaw in this question. The implied idea that there is a god 'out there' separate from human beings, rocks, trucks, tychos and alphadotis. There isn't. There is no 'out there' either. Wakanyugi, how have you inferred this 'out there' implication? It is like asking the question: my friend John, he was admitted to hospital, he gave birth to a child, was it a girl or a boy? Can you guess? The thing is that, my friend John was a man, how can he give birth to a child? If he cannot give birth to a child, where is the question of baby being a boy or a girl? So @tycho, similarly as I told you earlier, the definition of God (true God) is not God of contradiction. If you know of a God who is a creator and he creates contradictory things, then he is not God.  FEAR GOD
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Rank: Member Joined: 1/7/2015 Posts: 125
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God is not a contradictory God. HE is the Supreme being. Hence logic can never be applied to HIM. But if its the accient gods, then the question is contradictory. FEAR GOD
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Rank: New-farer Joined: 1/3/2015 Posts: 86 Location: Bomet
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KIKItheKING wrote:God is not a contradictory God. HE is the Supreme being. Hence logic can never be applied to HIM. But if its the accient gods, then the question is contradictory. 
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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It's better to be sane than 'Godly'.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 7/3/2007 Posts: 1,634
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KIKItheKING wrote:God is not a contradictory God. HE is the Supreme being. Hence logic can never be applied to HIM. But if its the accient gods, then the question is contradictory. So god is now a he? When did that happen? This just gets gets curiouser and curiouser. "The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement. But the opposite of a profound truth may well be another profound truth." (Niels Bohr)
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 7/3/2007 Posts: 1,634
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tycho wrote:Wakanyugi wrote:KIKItheKING wrote:God can do ANYTHING.. Can He make a stone too heavy for Him to lift?
[Max Shulman - The many loves of Dobie Gillis _ 1951] There is a fundamental flaw in this question. The implied idea that there is a god 'out there' separate from human beings, rocks, trucks, tychos and alphadotis. There isn't. There is no 'out there' either. Wakanyugi, how have you inferred this 'out there' implication? I said 'implied' - which is a fairly common error My point is: God, being the totality of all that is/was/will be....and therefore contains any contradictions or none. Such perceived quality - 'contradiction' - could not reduce or even define such a being, anymore than the color of your shirt defines Tycho. "The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement. But the opposite of a profound truth may well be another profound truth." (Niels Bohr)
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 7/3/2007 Posts: 1,634
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tycho wrote:It's better to be sane than 'Godly'. Another contradiction (I think we should just blame language and we can all go home). It is easier to say 'Tycholy' than 'Godly' if you mean to make a distinction. By the definition of God given above, all are Godly by the mere fact they are integral in "all that is/was/will be..." - God. "The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement. But the opposite of a profound truth may well be another profound truth." (Niels Bohr)
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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Wakanyugi wrote:tycho wrote:Wakanyugi wrote:KIKItheKING wrote:God can do ANYTHING.. Can He make a stone too heavy for Him to lift?
[Max Shulman - The many loves of Dobie Gillis _ 1951] There is a fundamental flaw in this question. The implied idea that there is a god 'out there' separate from human beings, rocks, trucks, tychos and alphadotis. There isn't. There is no 'out there' either. Wakanyugi, how have you inferred this 'out there' implication? I said 'implied' - which is a fairly common error My point is: God, being the totality of all that is/was/will be....and therefore contains any contradictions or none. Such perceived quality - 'contradiction' - could not reduce or even define such a being, anymore than the color of your shirt defines Tycho. Is 'God' the totality of all that is really? Anyway, implication is a logical construct, or a psychological projection.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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Wakanyugi wrote:tycho wrote:It's better to be sane than 'Godly'. Another contradiction (I think we should just blame language and we can all go home). It is easier to say 'Tycholy' than 'Godly' if you mean to make a distinction. By the definition of God given above, all are Godly by the mere fact they are integral in "all that is/was/will be..." - God. Of course your answer is also a contradiction even in itself. What amazes me is the implied war on contradiction that I see here. The more I think about it the more I see madness.
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Rank: Member Joined: 1/7/2015 Posts: 125
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Wakanyugi wrote:KIKItheKING wrote:God is not a contradictory God. HE is the Supreme being. Hence logic can never be applied to HIM. But if its the accient gods, then the question is contradictory. So god is now a he? When did that happen? This just gets gets curiouser and curiouser. In the begining God said They creat a person in THEIR own image. They created a Man. So God is HE FEAR GOD
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 7/3/2007 Posts: 1,634
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tycho wrote:Wakanyugi wrote:tycho wrote:Wakanyugi wrote:KIKItheKING wrote:God can do ANYTHING.. Can He make a stone too heavy for Him to lift?
[Max Shulman - The many loves of Dobie Gillis _ 1951] There is a fundamental flaw in this question. The implied idea that there is a god 'out there' separate from human beings, rocks, trucks, tychos and alphadotis. There isn't. There is no 'out there' either. Wakanyugi, how have you inferred this 'out there' implication? I said 'implied' - which is a fairly common error My point is: God, being the totality of all that is/was/will be....and therefore contains any contradictions or none. Such perceived quality - 'contradiction' - could not reduce or even define such a being, anymore than the color of your shirt defines Tycho. Is 'God' the totality of all that is really? Anyway, implication is a logical construct, or a psychological projection. The God I believe in can not be any less. But if you chose to reduce yours that is OK too. At least I can then boast that my God can kick your god's butt. "The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement. But the opposite of a profound truth may well be another profound truth." (Niels Bohr)
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 7/3/2007 Posts: 1,634
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tycho wrote:Wakanyugi wrote:tycho wrote:It's better to be sane than 'Godly'. Another contradiction (I think we should just blame language and we can all go home). It is easier to say 'Tycholy' than 'Godly' if you mean to make a distinction. By the definition of God given above, all are Godly by the mere fact they are integral in "all that is/was/will be..." - God. Of course your answer is also a contradiction even in itself. Of course it is. Here is an attempt at none contradiction: 'within or without, the all that is, God is.' So, to answer the question that started this discussion: God can be a contradiction; just as God can be good, evil, beautiful, ugly, tall short...etc seeing as God is all of these and more, yet none of these terms define God, being as they are first and foremost, creations of only one aspect of an all inclusive God - in other words language expressions of human beings desire to define reality through contrast."The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement. But the opposite of a profound truth may well be another profound truth." (Niels Bohr)
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