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God can do ANYTHING.. Can He make a stone too heavy for Him to lift? [Max Shulman - The many loves of Dobie Gillis _ 1951] FEAR GOD
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Of course. (If there's such an entity with such power).
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tycho wrote:Of course. (If there's such an entity with such power). @tycho I thought with your broad knowledge,I thought you have studied "The law of non-contradiction"  The definition of God (true God) is not God of contradiction. If you know of a god who is a creator and he creates contradictory things, then he is not God.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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AlphDoti wrote:tycho wrote:Of course. (If there's such an entity with such power). @tycho I thought with your broad knowledge,I thought you have studied "The law of non-contradiction" The definition of God (true God) is not God of contradiction. If you know of a god who is a creator and he creates contradictory things, then he is not God. Unfortunately in this case, there's no contradiction.
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AlphDoti wrote:tycho wrote:Of course. (If there's such an entity with such power). @tycho I thought with your broad knowledge,I thought you have studied "The law of non-contradiction" The definition of God (true God) is not God of contradiction. If you know of a god who is a creator and he creates contradictory things, then he is not God.  If Obiero did it, Who Am I?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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AlphDoti wrote:tycho wrote:Of course. (If there's such an entity with such power). @tycho I thought with your broad knowledge,I thought you have studied "The law of non-contradiction" The definition of God (true God) is not God of contradiction. If you know of a god who is a creator and he creates contradictory things, then he is not God. Isn't it amazing that this all powerful 'God' is limited to Boolean logic? Your sentiments @AlphDoti, are probably an indicator of how humans create God and hide the fact from themselves. Someone called it 'the mystification of experience'.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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tycho wrote:AlphDoti wrote:tycho wrote:Of course. (If there's such an entity with such power). @tycho I thought with your broad knowledge,I thought you have studied "The law of non-contradiction" The definition of God (true God) is not God of contradiction. If you know of a god who is a creator and he creates contradictory things, then he is not God. Isn't it amazing that this all powerful 'God' is limited to Boolean logic? Your sentiments @AlphDoti, are probably an indicator of how humans create God and hide the fact from themselves. Someone called it 'the mystification of experience'. It's true God can do all things. But asking "can God create a rock so big He cannot lift", is contradictions, is nonesense. The answer is no, that scenario is nonsense. No sensible being can bring up such situation. Not even an All-Powerful one. So, don't get carried away, we are not saying you apply logic to God, even though yes a true God is logical, true God cannot be illogical. The fact that God cannot create contradiction, is not reason to say He has limited power. Example, the fact that a CEO does not steal from his own company is not an indication to his inability to steal. Simply put: it is not in the nature of God to create contradictions.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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tycho wrote:AlphDoti wrote:tycho wrote:Of course. (If there's such an entity with such power). @tycho I thought with your broad knowledge,I thought you have studied "The law of non-contradiction" The definition of God (true God) is not God of contradiction. If you know of a god who is a creator and he creates contradictory things, then he is not God. Isn't it amazing that this all powerful 'God' is limited to Boolean logic? Your sentiments @AlphDoti, are probably an indicator of how humans create God and hide the fact from themselves. Someone called it 'the mystification of experience'. It is true some people have "created" gods, and that is why you end up with things which are contradictory. That's why a said up there in my post " If you know of a god who is a creator and he creates contradictory things, then he is not God."
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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AlphDoti wrote:tycho wrote:AlphDoti wrote:tycho wrote:Of course. (If there's such an entity with such power). @tycho I thought with your broad knowledge,I thought you have studied "The law of non-contradiction" The definition of God (true God) is not God of contradiction. If you know of a god who is a creator and he creates contradictory things, then he is not God. Isn't it amazing that this all powerful 'God' is limited to Boolean logic? Your sentiments @AlphDoti, are probably an indicator of how humans create God and hide the fact from themselves. Someone called it 'the mystification of experience'. It's true God can do all things. But asking "can God create a rock so big He cannot lift", is contradictions, is nonesense. The answer is no, that scenario is nonsense. No sensible being can bring up such situation. Not even an All-Powerful one. So, don't get carried away, we are not saying you apply logic to God, even though yes a true God is logical, true God cannot be illogical. The fact that God cannot create contradiction, is not reason to say He has limited power. Example, the fact that a CEO does not steal from his own company is not an indication to his inability to steal. Simply put: it is not in the nature of God to create contradictions. Your response conforms to logic, but only one kind of logic. And I'd quickly agree if at least the question would only make sense for that kind of logic. But I realize the question is vague enough to include ALL kinds of logic! So there must at least an answer that is true to all kinds of logic available and even possible.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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AlphDoti wrote:tycho wrote:AlphDoti wrote:tycho wrote:Of course. (If there's such an entity with such power). @tycho I thought with your broad knowledge,I thought you have studied "The law of non-contradiction" The definition of God (true God) is not God of contradiction. If you know of a god who is a creator and he creates contradictory things, then he is not God. Isn't it amazing that this all powerful 'God' is limited to Boolean logic? Your sentiments @AlphDoti, are probably an indicator of how humans create God and hide the fact from themselves. Someone called it 'the mystification of experience'. It is true some people have "created" gods, and that is why you end up with things which are contradictory. That's why a said up there in my post " If you know of a god who is a creator and he creates contradictory things, then he is not God." Hahaha! So the God who created 'matter' isn't the one who created 'anti-matter'? Or is it me who's seeing contradiction everywhere?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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Swenani wrote:AlphDoti wrote:tycho wrote:Of course. (If there's such an entity with such power). @tycho I thought with your broad knowledge,I thought you have studied "The law of non-contradiction" The definition of God (true God) is not God of contradiction. If you know of a god who is a creator and he creates contradictory things, then he is not God. Like here, wouldn't it be 'absurd' to say different Gods created Alph, swenani, and tycho, at least in this context. Because they seem to have very contradictory views. Again what does 'rock' mean? What does 'carry' mean? A person can be a 'rock'; and 'carry' could mean 'enjoy'. So can God create a person he doesn't enjoy? Esau was not enjoyed by God. Malachi 1: 1-3. Does God enjoy people who don't worship him? Well, if he does, then there's no punishment!
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AlphDoti wrote:tycho wrote:AlphDoti wrote:tycho wrote:Of course. (If there's such an entity with such power). @tycho I thought with your broad knowledge,I thought you have studied "The law of non-contradiction" The definition of God (true God) is not God of contradiction. If you know of a god who is a creator and he creates contradictory things, then he is not God. Isn't it amazing that this all powerful 'God' is limited to Boolean logic? Your sentiments @AlphDoti, are probably an indicator of how humans create God and hide the fact from themselves. Someone called it 'the mystification of experience'. It is true some people have "created" gods, and that is why you end up with things which are contradictory. That's why a said up there in my post " If you know of a god who is a creator and he creates contradictory things, then he is not God." Is death and life complimentary or contradictory? If Obiero did it, Who Am I?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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tycho wrote:Swenani wrote:AlphDoti wrote:tycho wrote:Of course. (If there's such an entity with such power). @tycho I thought with your broad knowledge,I thought you have studied "The law of non-contradiction" The definition of God (true God) is not God of contradiction. If you know of a god who is a creator and he creates contradictory things, then he is not God. Like here, wouldn't it be 'absurd' to say different Gods created Alph, swenani, and tycho, at least in this context. Because they seem to have very contradictory views. Again what does 'rock' mean? What does 'carry' mean? A person can be a 'rock'; and 'carry' could mean 'enjoy'. So can God create a person he doesn't enjoy? Esau was not enjoyed by God. Malachi 1: 1-3. Does God enjoy people who don't worship him? Well, if he does, then there's no punishment! Noo @tycho! Alph was not created by different gods Islam is based on monotheism, called Tawhid, which is the oneness of God, the creator of this universe and everything in it. As regards Esau, nowhere does the bible say God hated him from the time he was born. He disobeyed God and God was displeased with him. You see as Muslims, we believe that every child is born into a state of purity where it recognizes its Creator and is naturally subservient to His laws. So what happens later? It is the parents, or environment, or society, or the teachers who make the child a Christian or Hindu or Atheist. But when you grow up, you become adult, you research, you learn, you analyze... and you see things which are not true or do not make sense. Then you make the choice. In summary, God Has given human being free will. God has told you what is right and what is wrong, but the choice is yours. So when you rob, who is to blame? God is to blame? It is you to blame.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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Swenani wrote:AlphDoti wrote:tycho wrote:AlphDoti wrote:tycho wrote:Of course. (If there's such an entity with such power). @tycho I thought with your broad knowledge,I thought you have studied "The law of non-contradiction" The definition of God (true God) is not God of contradiction. If you know of a god who is a creator and he creates contradictory things, then he is not God. Isn't it amazing that this all powerful 'God' is limited to Boolean logic? Your sentiments @AlphDoti, are probably an indicator of how humans create God and hide the fact from themselves. Someone called it 'the mystification of experience'. It is true some people have "created" gods, and that is why you end up with things which are contradictory. That's why a said up there in my post " If you know of a god who is a creator and he creates contradictory things, then he is not God." Is death and life complimentary or contradictory? They are two different states. Neither complimentary nor contradictory.  
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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tycho wrote:AlphDoti wrote:tycho wrote:AlphDoti wrote:tycho wrote:Of course. (If there's such an entity with such power). @tycho I thought with your broad knowledge,I thought you have studied "The law of non-contradiction" The definition of God (true God) is not God of contradiction. If you know of a god who is a creator and he creates contradictory things, then he is not God. Isn't it amazing that this all powerful 'God' is limited to Boolean logic? Your sentiments @AlphDoti, are probably an indicator of how humans create God and hide the fact from themselves. Someone called it 'the mystification of experience'. It is true some people have "created" gods, and that is why you end up with things which are contradictory. That's why a said up there in my post " If you know of a god who is a creator and he creates contradictory things, then he is not God." Hahaha! So the God who created 'matter' isn't the one who created 'anti-matter'? Or is it me who's seeing contradiction everywhere? The same God who created male is the same God who created female. The same who created positive charge is the who created negative charge. Where is contradiction there? It is called opposites. Matter and anti-matter have opposing properties.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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tycho wrote:AlphDoti wrote:tycho wrote:AlphDoti wrote:tycho wrote:Of course. (If there's such an entity with such power). @tycho I thought with your broad knowledge,I thought you have studied "The law of non-contradiction" The definition of God (true God) is not God of contradiction. If you know of a god who is a creator and he creates contradictory things, then he is not God. Isn't it amazing that this all powerful 'God' is limited to Boolean logic? Your sentiments @AlphDoti, are probably an indicator of how humans create God and hide the fact from themselves. Someone called it 'the mystification of experience'. It's true God can do all things. But asking "can God create a rock so big He cannot lift", is contradictions, is nonesense. The answer is no, that scenario is nonsense. No sensible being can bring up such situation. Not even an All-Powerful one. So, don't get carried away, we are not saying you apply logic to God, even though yes a true God is logical, true God cannot be illogical. The fact that God cannot create contradiction, is not reason to say He has limited power. Example, the fact that a CEO does not steal from his own company is not an indication to his inability to steal. Simply put: it is not in the nature of God to create contradictions. Your response conforms to logic, but only one kind of logic. And I'd quickly agree if at least the question would only make sense for that kind of logic. But I realize the question is vague enough to include ALL kinds of logic! So there must at least an answer that is true to all kinds of logic available and even possible. @tycho, this question falls in area of "The law of non-contradiction". You see something cannot BE and NOT-BE at the same time. For example, if you exist, it is impossible for you no exist at the same time. Perhaps you can change from one thing to another, like @swenani is talking about DEATH & LIFE, two different states, but you cannot be LIVING-DEAD (okay I know phrase is used). For example, a round-square is a contradiction. So if you don't change the meaning of "round" and "square", then round-square is nonsense.
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AlphDoti wrote:tycho wrote:AlphDoti wrote:tycho wrote:AlphDoti wrote:tycho wrote:Of course. (If there's such an entity with such power). @tycho I thought with your broad knowledge,I thought you have studied "The law of non-contradiction" The definition of God (true God) is not God of contradiction. If you know of a god who is a creator and he creates contradictory things, then he is not God. Isn't it amazing that this all powerful 'God' is limited to Boolean logic? Your sentiments @AlphDoti, are probably an indicator of how humans create God and hide the fact from themselves. Someone called it 'the mystification of experience'. It is true some people have "created" gods, and that is why you end up with things which are contradictory. That's why a said up there in my post " If you know of a god who is a creator and he creates contradictory things, then he is not God." Hahaha! So the God who created 'matter' isn't the one who created 'anti-matter'? Or is it me who's seeing contradiction everywhere? The same God who created male is the same God who created female. The same who created positive charge is the who created negative charge. Where is contradiction there? It is called opposites. Matter and anti-matter have opposing properties. Contradiction:a combination of statements, ideas, or features which are opposed to one another: If Obiero did it, Who Am I?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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Swenani wrote:AlphDoti wrote:tycho wrote:AlphDoti wrote:tycho wrote:AlphDoti wrote:tycho wrote:Of course. (If there's such an entity with such power). @tycho I thought with your broad knowledge,I thought you have studied "The law of non-contradiction" The definition of God (true God) is not God of contradiction. If you know of a god who is a creator and he creates contradictory things, then he is not God. Isn't it amazing that this all powerful 'God' is limited to Boolean logic? Your sentiments @AlphDoti, are probably an indicator of how humans create God and hide the fact from themselves. Someone called it 'the mystification of experience'. It is true some people have "created" gods, and that is why you end up with things which are contradictory. That's why a said up there in my post " If you know of a god who is a creator and he creates contradictory things, then he is not God." Hahaha! So the God who created 'matter' isn't the one who created 'anti-matter'? Or is it me who's seeing contradiction everywhere? The same God who created male is the same God who created female. The same who created positive charge is the who created negative charge. Where is contradiction there? It is called opposites. Matter and anti-matter have opposing properties. Contradiction:a combination of statements, ideas, or features which are opposed to one another: Be careful, 'contradiction' and 'opposite' do not mean the same thing. Mpaka hapo siwezimake. I'm not an English man. I could have used my vernacular if I could.
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AlphDoti wrote:Swenani wrote:AlphDoti wrote:tycho wrote:AlphDoti wrote:tycho wrote:AlphDoti wrote:tycho wrote:Of course. (If there's such an entity with such power). @tycho I thought with your broad knowledge,I thought you have studied "The law of non-contradiction" The definition of God (true God) is not God of contradiction. If you know of a god who is a creator and he creates contradictory things, then he is not God. Isn't it amazing that this all powerful 'God' is limited to Boolean logic? Your sentiments @AlphDoti, are probably an indicator of how humans create God and hide the fact from themselves. Someone called it 'the mystification of experience'. It is true some people have "created" gods, and that is why you end up with things which are contradictory. That's why a said up there in my post " If you know of a god who is a creator and he creates contradictory things, then he is not God." Hahaha! So the God who created 'matter' isn't the one who created 'anti-matter'? Or is it me who's seeing contradiction everywhere? The same God who created male is the same God who created female. The same who created positive charge is the who created negative charge. Where is contradiction there? It is called opposites. Matter and anti-matter have opposing properties. Contradiction:a combination of statements, ideas, or features which are opposed to one another: Be careful, 'contradiction' and 'opposite' do not mean the same thing. Mpaka hapo siwezimake. I'm not an English man. I could have used my vernacular if I could. To me, they are! If Obiero did it, Who Am I?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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AlphDoti wrote:tycho wrote:AlphDoti wrote:tycho wrote:AlphDoti wrote:tycho wrote:Of course. (If there's such an entity with such power). @tycho I thought with your broad knowledge,I thought you have studied "The law of non-contradiction" The definition of God (true God) is not God of contradiction. If you know of a god who is a creator and he creates contradictory things, then he is not God. Isn't it amazing that this all powerful 'God' is limited to Boolean logic? Your sentiments @AlphDoti, are probably an indicator of how humans create God and hide the fact from themselves. Someone called it 'the mystification of experience'. It's true God can do all things. But asking "can God create a rock so big He cannot lift", is contradictions, is nonesense. The answer is no, that scenario is nonsense. No sensible being can bring up such situation. Not even an All-Powerful one. So, don't get carried away, we are not saying you apply logic to God, even though yes a true God is logical, true God cannot be illogical. The fact that God cannot create contradiction, is not reason to say He has limited power. Example, the fact that a CEO does not steal from his own company is not an indication to his inability to steal. Simply put: it is not in the nature of God to create contradictions. Your response conforms to logic, but only one kind of logic. And I'd quickly agree if at least the question would only make sense for that kind of logic. But I realize the question is vague enough to include ALL kinds of logic! So there must at least an answer that is true to all kinds of logic available and even possible. @tycho, this question falls in area of "The law of non-contradiction". You see something cannot BE and NOT-BE at the same time. For example, if you exist, it is impossible for you no exist at the same time. Perhaps you can change from one thing to another, like @swenani is talking about DEATH & LIFE, two different states, but you cannot be LIVING-DEAD (okay I know phrase is used). For example, a round-square is a contradiction. So if you don't change the meaning of "round" and "square", then round-square is nonsense. http://en.m.wikipedia.or...iki/Round_square_copula
The idea that life and death are two distinct states is an idea that's not universal @AlphDoti. One could argue and reasonably, that one is both dead and alive at any instance.
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