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Equity Afia- Another first from Equity
target1360
#61 Posted : Tuesday, March 03, 2015 12:08:47 PM
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why cant equity just keep doing banking which they do very well.this other gambling all over with share holder funds is unnecessary distraction.
I find satisfaction in owning great business,not trading them
kiterunner
#62 Posted : Tuesday, March 03, 2015 9:45:50 PM
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target1360 wrote:
why cant equity just keep doing banking which they do very well.this other gambling all over with share holder funds is unnecessary distraction.


innovations happen because of mavericks like Jemo, this is going to be interesting.
our goals are best achieved indirectly
Rollout
#63 Posted : Tuesday, March 03, 2015 10:05:09 PM
Rank: Member


Joined: 4/26/2011
Posts: 759
murchr wrote:
MaichBlack wrote:
murchr wrote:
MaichBlack wrote:
Kenyans restrict their imagination too much. Suggesting Equity stick to Banking only is too 1920's!!! You have been given an example of Samsung. Now I will give you another one. Google!!!

Google started as a search engine. They moved to full blown software development. Now they have gone into areas most people cannot even imagine. See links below:

Link 1: Google Launching A Company To Cure <<you will never guess>> = Science & Technology

Link 2: Google X = Technology

Another classical example is General Electric. They are in:

Electrical distribution -Technology
Electric motors - Technology
Energy - Technology
Finance - Technology
Gas - Technology
Healthcare - Technology
Lighting - Technology
Locomotives - Technology
Oil - Technology
Software - Technology
Water - Technology
Weapons - Technology
Wind turbines - Technology

Link: General Electric

Equity is just getting started! I told you this on February last year.
See post#21 in this thread.

In ten, twenty years (God willing) we will be having a totally different discussion. Some of us in yachts and some of us in boats at Uhuru Park. Choices will have consequences.


You need to explain how Equity compares to Google or General Electric. Like you'd explain to a 2 year old


General Electric Subsidiaries

GE Aviation
GE Capital
GE Global Research
GE Healthcare
GE Home & Business Solutions
GE Oil & Gas
GE Power & Water
GE Transportation

Visit this link and click on each subsidiary to see what they do.

Equity has not even STARTED scratching the surface. Not even close! Let me take two subsidiaries and try to compare them with Equity. And I say try because the subsidiaries are too big and diversified it might make more sense to compare Equity with their Divisions!! That is how far Equity has to go. And people are being shocked by medicare and equitel!?? Hio ni pre school my friends. Mambo bado!!!

GE Capital for example has four divisions and operations in more than 10 countries! The divisions are:-
GE Real Estate
GE Capital Aviation Services
GE Energy Financial Services
GE Commercial Lending & Leasing

GE Healthcare has a range of products and services that include
medical imaging and information technologies, electronic medical
records, medical diagnostics, patient monitoring systems,
drug discovery, and biopharmaceutical manufacturing
technologies. GE Healthcare consists of 8 primary business units.

Visit the links and read the rest.


Apart from GE Capital, whose big business relies on leasing their health, aviation and other technological stuff they produce, the rest are technology units that would one way or another depend on each other (R&D). Even the health component is about providing technology, not running clinics and hospitals. Anyway, like everything else, time will tell.


MaichBlack is actually right, infact I think this is one of the best ideas equity has come up with.

First for those who understand Healthcare and Banking they'll agree on two things.

1. Retail Banking is not a money making business line so there is a need to diversify.

2. Healthcare is the most promising industry in the world right now.

The challanges faced by Kenya in dealing with healthcare are the same challanges faced by other countries including USA

a) Access
b) Payment modes/methods

Equity can actually profit significantly be solving access of care problem in the country. The scale, network and capital alone can enable them to build a delivery system that is more efficeient than kenya has now. Again unless you really understand healthcare you might not see the big opportunity currently available in Kenya.
Akenyan2014
#64 Posted : Tuesday, March 03, 2015 10:14:21 PM
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There are whispers in the streets that something is cooking and thus yet another huge announcement could be made soon. Thank the rumor monger later.
murchr
#65 Posted : Tuesday, March 03, 2015 11:42:59 PM
Rank: Elder


Joined: 2/26/2012
Posts: 15,980
Rollout wrote:
murchr wrote:
MaichBlack wrote:
murchr wrote:
MaichBlack wrote:
Kenyans restrict their imagination too much. Suggesting Equity stick to Banking only is too 1920's!!! You have been given an example of Samsung. Now I will give you another one. Google!!!

Google started as a search engine. They moved to full blown software development. Now they have gone into areas most people cannot even imagine. See links below:

Link 1: Google Launching A Company To Cure <<you will never guess>> = Science & Technology

Link 2: Google X = Technology

Another classical example is General Electric. They are in:

Electrical distribution -Technology
Electric motors - Technology
Energy - Technology
Finance - Technology
Gas - Technology
Healthcare - Technology
Lighting - Technology
Locomotives - Technology
Oil - Technology
Software - Technology
Water - Technology
Weapons - Technology
Wind turbines - Technology

Link: General Electric

Equity is just getting started! I told you this on February last year.
See post#21 in this thread.

In ten, twenty years (God willing) we will be having a totally different discussion. Some of us in yachts and some of us in boats at Uhuru Park. Choices will have consequences.


You need to explain how Equity compares to Google or General Electric. Like you'd explain to a 2 year old


General Electric Subsidiaries

GE Aviation
GE Capital
GE Global Research
GE Healthcare
GE Home & Business Solutions
GE Oil & Gas
GE Power & Water
GE Transportation

Visit this link and click on each subsidiary to see what they do.

Equity has not even STARTED scratching the surface. Not even close! Let me take two subsidiaries and try to compare them with Equity. And I say try because the subsidiaries are too big and diversified it might make more sense to compare Equity with their Divisions!! That is how far Equity has to go. And people are being shocked by medicare and equitel!?? Hio ni pre school my friends. Mambo bado!!!

GE Capital for example has four divisions and operations in more than 10 countries! The divisions are:-
GE Real Estate
GE Capital Aviation Services
GE Energy Financial Services
GE Commercial Lending & Leasing

GE Healthcare has a range of products and services that include
medical imaging and information technologies, electronic medical
records, medical diagnostics, patient monitoring systems,
drug discovery, and biopharmaceutical manufacturing
technologies. GE Healthcare consists of 8 primary business units.

Visit the links and read the rest.


Apart from GE Capital, whose big business relies on leasing their health, aviation and other technological stuff they produce, the rest are technology units that would one way or another depend on each other (R&D). Even the health component is about providing technology, not running clinics and hospitals. Anyway, like everything else, time will tell.


MaichBlack is actually right, infact I think this is one of the best ideas equity has come up with.

First for those who understand Healthcare and Banking they'll agree on two things.

1. Retail Banking is not a money making business line so there is a need to diversify.

2. Healthcare is the most promising industry in the world right now.

The challanges faced by Kenya in dealing with healthcare are the same challanges faced by other countries including USA

a) Access
b) Payment modes/methods

Equity can actually profit significantly be solving access of care problem in the country. The scale, network and capital alone can enable them to build a delivery system that is more efficeient than kenya has now. Again unless you really understand healthcare you might not see the big opportunity currently available in Kenya.


This is only possible if you are offering technology...and there's a policy in place to ensure that you will be paid.

The sad truth about Kenya's health sector is that it is a non-profit business because the majority of the poor cant pay for the service vis a vis the cost of capital. Anyway, lets see how it goes.
"There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
.
Rollout
#66 Posted : Wednesday, March 04, 2015 12:08:24 AM
Rank: Member


Joined: 4/26/2011
Posts: 759
murchr wrote:
Rollout wrote:
murchr wrote:
MaichBlack wrote:
murchr wrote:
MaichBlack wrote:
Kenyans restrict their imagination too much. Suggesting Equity stick to Banking only is too 1920's!!! You have been given an example of Samsung. Now I will give you another one. Google!!!

Google started as a search engine. They moved to full blown software development. Now they have gone into areas most people cannot even imagine. See links below:

Link 1: Google Launching A Company To Cure <<you will never guess>> = Science & Technology

Link 2: Google X = Technology

Another classical example is General Electric. They are in:

Electrical distribution -Technology
Electric motors - Technology
Energy - Technology
Finance - Technology
Gas - Technology
Healthcare - Technology
Lighting - Technology
Locomotives - Technology
Oil - Technology
Software - Technology
Water - Technology
Weapons - Technology
Wind turbines - Technology

Link: General Electric

Equity is just getting started! I told you this on February last year.
See post#21 in this thread.

In ten, twenty years (God willing) we will be having a totally different discussion. Some of us in yachts and some of us in boats at Uhuru Park. Choices will have consequences.


You need to explain how Equity compares to Google or General Electric. Like you'd explain to a 2 year old


General Electric Subsidiaries

GE Aviation
GE Capital
GE Global Research
GE Healthcare
GE Home & Business Solutions
GE Oil & Gas
GE Power & Water
GE Transportation

Visit this link and click on each subsidiary to see what they do.

Equity has not even STARTED scratching the surface. Not even close! Let me take two subsidiaries and try to compare them with Equity. And I say try because the subsidiaries are too big and diversified it might make more sense to compare Equity with their Divisions!! That is how far Equity has to go. And people are being shocked by medicare and equitel!?? Hio ni pre school my friends. Mambo bado!!!

GE Capital for example has four divisions and operations in more than 10 countries! The divisions are:-
GE Real Estate
GE Capital Aviation Services
GE Energy Financial Services
GE Commercial Lending & Leasing

GE Healthcare has a range of products and services that include
medical imaging and information technologies, electronic medical
records, medical diagnostics, patient monitoring systems,
drug discovery, and biopharmaceutical manufacturing
technologies. GE Healthcare consists of 8 primary business units.

Visit the links and read the rest.


Apart from GE Capital, whose big business relies on leasing their health, aviation and other technological stuff they produce, the rest are technology units that would one way or another depend on each other (R&D). Even the health component is about providing technology, not running clinics and hospitals. Anyway, like everything else, time will tell.


MaichBlack is actually right, infact I think this is one of the best ideas equity has come up with.

First for those who understand Healthcare and Banking they'll agree on two things.

1. Retail Banking is not a money making business line so there is a need to diversify.

2. Healthcare is the most promising industry in the world right now.

The challanges faced by Kenya in dealing with healthcare are the same challanges faced by other countries including USA

a) Access
b) Payment modes/methods

Equity can actually profit significantly be solving access of care problem in the country. The scale, network and capital alone can enable them to build a delivery system that is more efficeient than kenya has now. Again unless you really understand healthcare you might not see the big opportunity currently available in Kenya.


This is only possible if you are offering technology...and there's a policy in place to ensure that you will be paid.

The sad truth about Kenya's health sector is that it is a non-profit business because the majority of the poor cant pay for the service vis a vis the cost of capital. Anyway, lets see how it goes.


@Murchr, you're making a big assumption that Equity will not utilize technology. I think it's given, technology has to be part of any healthcare offering and they know that.

In Healthcare, you do not need telehealth or digital/mobile health to move the needle; basic technology is what is required.

You talked about payment model and it's a fair analysis on you part but from what equity is describing, it's easy to see they're probably thinking of a fee for service type lower acuity primary care model, probably taking only professional risk.Over time, I think equity will be looking to get into payer contracting on a premium basis.

High acuity patients and people who can't afford to pay will still be going to public hospitals.

There is a big opportunity to aggregate providers in Kenya healthcare market and contract with payers and hospitals. Thats the space equity is probably trying to get into.
murchr
#67 Posted : Wednesday, March 04, 2015 12:20:26 AM
Rank: Elder


Joined: 2/26/2012
Posts: 15,980
Rollout wrote:
murchr wrote:
Rollout wrote:
murchr wrote:
MaichBlack wrote:
murchr wrote:
MaichBlack wrote:
Kenyans restrict their imagination too much. Suggesting Equity stick to Banking only is too 1920's!!! You have been given an example of Samsung. Now I will give you another one. Google!!!

Google started as a search engine. They moved to full blown software development. Now they have gone into areas most people cannot even imagine. See links below:

Link 1: Google Launching A Company To Cure <<you will never guess>> = Science & Technology

Link 2: Google X = Technology

Another classical example is General Electric. They are in:

Electrical distribution -Technology
Electric motors - Technology
Energy - Technology
Finance - Technology
Gas - Technology
Healthcare - Technology
Lighting - Technology
Locomotives - Technology
Oil - Technology
Software - Technology
Water - Technology
Weapons - Technology
Wind turbines - Technology

Link: General Electric

Equity is just getting started! I told you this on February last year.
See post#21 in this thread.

In ten, twenty years (God willing) we will be having a totally different discussion. Some of us in yachts and some of us in boats at Uhuru Park. Choices will have consequences.


You need to explain how Equity compares to Google or General Electric. Like you'd explain to a 2 year old


General Electric Subsidiaries

GE Aviation
GE Capital
GE Global Research
GE Healthcare
GE Home & Business Solutions
GE Oil & Gas
GE Power & Water
GE Transportation

Visit this link and click on each subsidiary to see what they do.

Equity has not even STARTED scratching the surface. Not even close! Let me take two subsidiaries and try to compare them with Equity. And I say try because the subsidiaries are too big and diversified it might make more sense to compare Equity with their Divisions!! That is how far Equity has to go. And people are being shocked by medicare and equitel!?? Hio ni pre school my friends. Mambo bado!!!

GE Capital for example has four divisions and operations in more than 10 countries! The divisions are:-
GE Real Estate
GE Capital Aviation Services
GE Energy Financial Services
GE Commercial Lending & Leasing

GE Healthcare has a range of products and services that include
medical imaging and information technologies, electronic medical
records, medical diagnostics, patient monitoring systems,
drug discovery, and biopharmaceutical manufacturing
technologies. GE Healthcare consists of 8 primary business units.

Visit the links and read the rest.


Apart from GE Capital, whose big business relies on leasing their health, aviation and other technological stuff they produce, the rest are technology units that would one way or another depend on each other (R&D). Even the health component is about providing technology, not running clinics and hospitals. Anyway, like everything else, time will tell.


MaichBlack is actually right, infact I think this is one of the best ideas equity has come up with.

First for those who understand Healthcare and Banking they'll agree on two things.

1. Retail Banking is not a money making business line so there is a need to diversify.

2. Healthcare is the most promising industry in the world right now.

The challanges faced by Kenya in dealing with healthcare are the same challanges faced by other countries including USA

a) Access
b) Payment modes/methods

Equity can actually profit significantly be solving access of care problem in the country. The scale, network and capital alone can enable them to build a delivery system that is more efficeient than kenya has now. Again unless you really understand healthcare you might not see the big opportunity currently available in Kenya.


This is only possible if you are offering technology...and there's a policy in place to ensure that you will be paid.

The sad truth about Kenya's health sector is that it is a non-profit business because the majority of the poor cant pay for the service vis a vis the cost of capital. Anyway, lets see how it goes.


@Murchr, you're making a big assumption that Equity will not utilize technology. I think it's given, technology has to be part of any healthcare offering and they know that.

In Healthcare, you do not need telehealth or digital/mobile health to move the needle; basic technology is what is required.

You talked about payment model and it's a fair analysis on you part but from what equity is describing, it's easy to see they're probably thinking of a fee for service type lower acuity primary care model, probably taking only professional risk.Over time, I think equity will be looking to get into payer contracting on a premium basis.

High acuity patients and people who can't afford to pay will still be going to public hospitals.

There is a big opportunity to aggregate providers in Kenya healthcare market and contract with payers and hospitals. Thats the space equity is probably trying to get into.


That would be big business for equity, infact it would be a whole business all together, but they are not for that...rather they are opting to set up clinics and labs for diagnostic purposes. They'll probably lease the equipment but who'll be making money here?. But i'll wait for the MD for more..and the tricky part ..implementation
"There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
.
Rollout
#68 Posted : Wednesday, March 04, 2015 2:16:13 AM
Rank: Member


Joined: 4/26/2011
Posts: 759
murchr wrote:
Rollout wrote:
murchr wrote:
Rollout wrote:
murchr wrote:
MaichBlack wrote:
murchr wrote:
MaichBlack wrote:
Kenyans restrict their imagination too much. Suggesting Equity stick to Banking only is too 1920's!!! You have been given an example of Samsung. Now I will give you another one. Google!!!

Google started as a search engine. They moved to full blown software development. Now they have gone into areas most people cannot even imagine. See links below:

Link 1: Google Launching A Company To Cure <<you will never guess>> = Science & Technology

Link 2: Google X = Technology

Another classical example is General Electric. They are in:

Electrical distribution -Technology
Electric motors - Technology
Energy - Technology
Finance - Technology
Gas - Technology
Healthcare - Technology
Lighting - Technology
Locomotives - Technology
Oil - Technology
Software - Technology
Water - Technology
Weapons - Technology
Wind turbines - Technology

Link: General Electric

Equity is just getting started! I told you this on February last year.
See post#21 in this thread.

In ten, twenty years (God willing) we will be having a totally different discussion. Some of us in yachts and some of us in boats at Uhuru Park. Choices will have consequences.


You need to explain how Equity compares to Google or General Electric. Like you'd explain to a 2 year old


General Electric Subsidiaries

GE Aviation
GE Capital
GE Global Research
GE Healthcare
GE Home & Business Solutions
GE Oil & Gas
GE Power & Water
GE Transportation

Visit this link and click on each subsidiary to see what they do.

Equity has not even STARTED scratching the surface. Not even close! Let me take two subsidiaries and try to compare them with Equity. And I say try because the subsidiaries are too big and diversified it might make more sense to compare Equity with their Divisions!! That is how far Equity has to go. And people are being shocked by medicare and equitel!?? Hio ni pre school my friends. Mambo bado!!!

GE Capital for example has four divisions and operations in more than 10 countries! The divisions are:-
GE Real Estate
GE Capital Aviation Services
GE Energy Financial Services
GE Commercial Lending & Leasing

GE Healthcare has a range of products and services that include
medical imaging and information technologies, electronic medical
records, medical diagnostics, patient monitoring systems,
drug discovery, and biopharmaceutical manufacturing
technologies. GE Healthcare consists of 8 primary business units.

Visit the links and read the rest.


Apart from GE Capital, whose big business relies on leasing their health, aviation and other technological stuff they produce, the rest are technology units that would one way or another depend on each other (R&D). Even the health component is about providing technology, not running clinics and hospitals. Anyway, like everything else, time will tell.


MaichBlack is actually right, infact I think this is one of the best ideas equity has come up with.

First for those who understand Healthcare and Banking they'll agree on two things.

1. Retail Banking is not a money making business line so there is a need to diversify.

2. Healthcare is the most promising industry in the world right now.

The challanges faced by Kenya in dealing with healthcare are the same challanges faced by other countries including USA

a) Access
b) Payment modes/methods

Equity can actually profit significantly be solving access of care problem in the country. The scale, network and capital alone can enable them to build a delivery system that is more efficeient than kenya has now. Again unless you really understand healthcare you might not see the big opportunity currently available in Kenya.


This is only possible if you are offering technology...and there's a policy in place to ensure that you will be paid.

The sad truth about Kenya's health sector is that it is a non-profit business because the majority of the poor cant pay for the service vis a vis the cost of capital. Anyway, lets see how it goes.


@Murchr, you're making a big assumption that Equity will not utilize technology. I think it's given, technology has to be part of any healthcare offering and they know that.

In Healthcare, you do not need telehealth or digital/mobile health to move the needle; basic technology is what is required.

You talked about payment model and it's a fair analysis on you part but from what equity is describing, it's easy to see they're probably thinking of a fee for service type lower acuity primary care model, probably taking only professional risk.Over time, I think equity will be looking to get into payer contracting on a premium basis.

High acuity patients and people who can't afford to pay will still be going to public hospitals.

There is a big opportunity to aggregate providers in Kenya healthcare market and contract with payers and hospitals. Thats the space equity is probably trying to get into.


That would be big business for equity, infact it would be a whole business all together, but they are not for that...rather they are opting to set up clinics and labs for diagnostic purposes. They'll probably lease the equipment but who'll be making money here?. But i'll wait for the MD for more..and the tricky part ..implementation


Setting up clinics is possibly an entry point to providers aggregations. You need a clinic for providers to practice. Two ways to get providers.

1. Buy existing provider groups and build a network for contracting purpose

2. Build clinics and employ providers and there come the network for contracting purpose.

I see your point but look at the bigger picture. Retail model clinic- which I believe you think Equity is doing-, hasn't been successful around the world because the clinic model does not aligned to "healthcare model of the future"
Equity knows it because they have smart people working for them and I believe they will not come to the market with such offering.

Based on their success, I give companies like Equity the benefit of doubt that they know what they're doing.
quicksand
#69 Posted : Wednesday, March 04, 2015 4:32:19 AM
Rank: Veteran


Joined: 7/5/2010
Posts: 2,061
Location: Nairobi
kiterunner wrote:
target1360 wrote:
why cant equity just keep doing banking which they do very well.this other gambling all over with share holder funds is unnecessary distraction.


innovations happen because of mavericks like Jemo, this is going to be interesting.


A high level of optimism and excitement met the announcement of the Thin SIM, Equitel network, keeping all that money sloshing just inside the memba ecosystem.
Safaricom pulled just one move with a small jiggling of Mpesa rates and the whole show crashed to the ground, still born. And I am not convinced it was all Safcom's doing, the thin sim didn't or hasn't put up any sort of fight. Other ideas too lie by the wayside, abandoned, Bebapay, mshwari was pitched at Equity at first - the implication is moribundness between the thinking and execution. What gives people the confidence that Equity can make good out of a deeply troubled business such as healthcare??
I prefer to err on the side of caution, call me narrow minded if you must. Thinking that you can waltz into other companies/people's areas of long and deep expertise and own them too cause you have excelled in another unrelated area is a sign of hubris and megalomania creeping in.
And yes, I am fully aware there are a few exceptions, but Daktari makes a case for not being to added this rarefied list by making precedent of having not succeeded in other non banking ventures.
murchr
#70 Posted : Wednesday, March 04, 2015 5:34:23 AM
Rank: Elder


Joined: 2/26/2012
Posts: 15,980
Rollout wrote:
murchr wrote:
Rollout wrote:
murchr wrote:
Rollout wrote:
murchr wrote:
MaichBlack wrote:
murchr wrote:
MaichBlack wrote:
Kenyans restrict their imagination too much. Suggesting Equity stick to Banking only is too 1920's!!! You have been given an example of Samsung. Now I will give you another one. Google!!!

Google started as a search engine. They moved to full blown software development. Now they have gone into areas most people cannot even imagine. See links below:

Link 1: Google Launching A Company To Cure <<you will never guess>> = Science & Technology

Link 2: Google X = Technology

Another classical example is General Electric. They are in:

Electrical distribution -Technology
Electric motors - Technology
Energy - Technology
Finance - Technology
Gas - Technology
Healthcare - Technology
Lighting - Technology
Locomotives - Technology
Oil - Technology
Software - Technology
Water - Technology
Weapons - Technology
Wind turbines - Technology

Link: General Electric

Equity is just getting started! I told you this on February last year.
See post#21 in this thread.

In ten, twenty years (God willing) we will be having a totally different discussion. Some of us in yachts and some of us in boats at Uhuru Park. Choices will have consequences.


You need to explain how Equity compares to Google or General Electric. Like you'd explain to a 2 year old


General Electric Subsidiaries

GE Aviation
GE Capital
GE Global Research
GE Healthcare
GE Home & Business Solutions
GE Oil & Gas
GE Power & Water
GE Transportation

Visit this link and click on each subsidiary to see what they do.

Equity has not even STARTED scratching the surface. Not even close! Let me take two subsidiaries and try to compare them with Equity. And I say try because the subsidiaries are too big and diversified it might make more sense to compare Equity with their Divisions!! That is how far Equity has to go. And people are being shocked by medicare and equitel!?? Hio ni pre school my friends. Mambo bado!!!

GE Capital for example has four divisions and operations in more than 10 countries! The divisions are:-
GE Real Estate
GE Capital Aviation Services
GE Energy Financial Services
GE Commercial Lending & Leasing

GE Healthcare has a range of products and services that include
medical imaging and information technologies, electronic medical
records, medical diagnostics, patient monitoring systems,
drug discovery, and biopharmaceutical manufacturing
technologies. GE Healthcare consists of 8 primary business units.

Visit the links and read the rest.


Apart from GE Capital, whose big business relies on leasing their health, aviation and other technological stuff they produce, the rest are technology units that would one way or another depend on each other (R&D). Even the health component is about providing technology, not running clinics and hospitals. Anyway, like everything else, time will tell.


MaichBlack is actually right, infact I think this is one of the best ideas equity has come up with.

First for those who understand Healthcare and Banking they'll agree on two things.

1. Retail Banking is not a money making business line so there is a need to diversify.

2. Healthcare is the most promising industry in the world right now.

The challanges faced by Kenya in dealing with healthcare are the same challanges faced by other countries including USA

a) Access
b) Payment modes/methods

Equity can actually profit significantly be solving access of care problem in the country. The scale, network and capital alone can enable them to build a delivery system that is more efficeient than kenya has now. Again unless you really understand healthcare you might not see the big opportunity currently available in Kenya.


This is only possible if you are offering technology...and there's a policy in place to ensure that you will be paid.

The sad truth about Kenya's health sector is that it is a non-profit business because the majority of the poor cant pay for the service vis a vis the cost of capital. Anyway, lets see how it goes.


@Murchr, you're making a big assumption that Equity will not utilize technology. I think it's given, technology has to be part of any healthcare offering and they know that.

In Healthcare, you do not need telehealth or digital/mobile health to move the needle; basic technology is what is required.

You talked about payment model and it's a fair analysis on you part but from what equity is describing, it's easy to see they're probably thinking of a fee for service type lower acuity primary care model, probably taking only professional risk.Over time, I think equity will be looking to get into payer contracting on a premium basis.

High acuity patients and people who can't afford to pay will still be going to public hospitals.

There is a big opportunity to aggregate providers in Kenya healthcare market and contract with payers and hospitals. Thats the space equity is probably trying to get into.


That would be big business for equity, infact it would be a whole business all together, but they are not for that...rather they are opting to set up clinics and labs for diagnostic purposes. They'll probably lease the equipment but who'll be making money here?. But i'll wait for the MD for more..and the tricky part ..implementation


Setting up clinics is possibly an entry point to providers aggregations. You need a clinic for providers to practice. Two ways to get providers.

1. Buy existing provider groups and build a network for contracting purpose

2. Build clinics and employ providers and there come the network for contracting purpose.

I see your point but look at the bigger picture. Retail model clinic- which I believe you think Equity is doing-, hasn't been successful around the world because the clinic model does not aligned to "healthcare model of the future"
Equity knows it because they have smart people working for them and I believe they will not come to the market with such offering.

Based on their success, I give companies like Equity the benefit of doubt that they know what they're doing.



If that is the approach Equity is thinking of taking, someone might just pull the rug off their feet. Its very easy for another party to comeup and take that business without opening clinics and provide the service while Equity is still setting up. Numbers are the key to that business success esp in this part of world. How about we visit this issue after 6 months.
"There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
.
sparkly
#71 Posted : Wednesday, March 04, 2015 5:45:24 AM
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kiterunner wrote:
sparkly wrote:
The Directors are letting their hobbies and personal interests cloud their minds.

This is something that can be done under Britam.



clinic=hobby d'oh! d'oh! d'oh! d'oh!


Yeah, he has been hanging out with the first lady and her beyond zero project too much. Now he thinks he can impress using shareholder monies! This guy is under a spell, I tell you.
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Amani254
#72 Posted : Wednesday, March 04, 2015 7:01:11 AM
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We have always given Equity the Benefit of the doubt and it never delivers...always high hopes and expectations but little to show on the ground. There is actually nothing more than political patronage/connections and the right timing that is revolutionary in Equity story. Nothing genius other than a sustained narrative that Equity took banking to the unbanked. Total misrepresentation - Post Bank was doing that for years as well as many other saccos and micro-finance providers. Before diversifying into 'business-masquerading - charity' health care under the so called EG Foundation, could Mwangi try and not take advantage of Form 4 leavers under 'wings to fly'? Can he start by at least paying cashiers better or at least allowing them to join a union?
MaichBlack
#73 Posted : Wednesday, March 04, 2015 7:49:27 AM
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Let everyone vote with their money. Words are very cheap. This is publicly quoted company. Buy, sell, hold or avoid. A year or two down the line, we will know who made the right choices and hopefully learn from the same.
Never count on making a good sale. Have the purchase price be so attractive that even a mediocre sale gives good returns.
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#74 Posted : Wednesday, March 04, 2015 9:26:29 AM
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MaichBlack wrote:
Let everyone vote with their money. Words are very cheap. This is publicly quoted company. Buy, sell, hold or avoid. A year or two down the line, we will know who made the right choices and hopefully learn from the same.


Now words have become cheap. ....yet that didn't stop you from writing a longish post earlier about GE and its divisions, and one or two rebuttals after that Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly
or are they only only cheap when others use them?.....you have your position and are entitled to it; so are the others in this here great Wazua. We paid you an audience, and so you must reciprocate in kind -to now say words are cheap is simply unsporting.
Why else are we on Wazua?
ngapat
#75 Posted : Wednesday, March 04, 2015 9:33:18 AM
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Time they announced fy2014 results. These news aren't easing my anxiety
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#76 Posted : Wednesday, March 04, 2015 9:45:52 AM
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Amani254 wrote:
We have always given Equity the Benefit of the doubt and it never delivers...always high hopes and expectations but little to show on the ground. There is actually nothing more than political patronage/connections and the right timing that is revolutionary in Equity story. Nothing genius other than a sustained narrative that Equity took banking to the unbanked. Total misrepresentation - Post Bank was doing that for years as well as many other saccos and micro-finance providers. Before diversifying into 'business-masquerading - charity' health care under the so called EG Foundation, could Mwangi try and not take advantage of Form 4 leavers under 'wings to fly'? Can he start by at least paying cashiers better or at least allowing them to join a union?


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MaichBlack
#77 Posted : Wednesday, March 04, 2015 9:53:38 AM
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quicksand wrote:
MaichBlack wrote:
Let everyone vote with their money. Words are very cheap. This is publicly quoted company. Buy, sell, hold or avoid. A year or two down the line, we will know who made the right choices and hopefully learn from the same.


Now words have become cheap. ....yet that didn't stop you from writing a longish post earlier about GE and its divisions, and one or two rebuttals after that Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly
or are they only only cheap when others use them?.....you have your position and are entitled to it; so are the others in this here great Wazua. We paid you an audience, and so you must reciprocate in kind -to now say words are cheap is simply unsporting.
Why else are we on Wazua?

Eish vane!!! When I say words are cheap, it applies to everyone - including me!!! All I am saying, follow your words with actions.

Never count on making a good sale. Have the purchase price be so attractive that even a mediocre sale gives good returns.
kiterunner
#78 Posted : Wednesday, March 04, 2015 9:57:56 AM
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who said kenyans are wajuaji? I dont know if it was a compliment or not. There is nothing under the sun that we will hear and say 'Oh jeez, I don't understand this model, I wonder if there is an angle am missing with the information available to me, please explain xyz'. Nothing like that, instead we have a thread as this one
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ike
#79 Posted : Wednesday, March 04, 2015 10:29:39 AM
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Amani254 wrote:
We have always given Equity the Benefit of the doubt and it never delivers...always high hopes and expectations but little to show on the ground. There is actually nothing more than political patronage/connections and the right timing that is revolutionary in Equity story. Nothing genius other than a sustained narrative that Equity took banking to the unbanked. Total misrepresentation - Post Bank was doing that for years as well as many other saccos and micro-finance providers. Before diversifying into 'business-masquerading - charity' health care under the so called EG Foundation, could Mwangi try and not take advantage of Form 4 leavers under 'wings to fly'? Can he start by at least paying cashiers better or at least allowing them to join a union?

This is clearly a disgruntled young cashier who wasn't there before equity , when the minimum amount in your bank had to be 10,000 or you're fined 200 till your account is dry.
Equity are also innovative only that their thin sim has had bottlenenecks.
And then providing voluntary paying jobs to young people instead of having them waste themselves in drugs at that vulnerable age is really looking for fault where there isn't.
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mlefu
#80 Posted : Wednesday, March 04, 2015 10:42:14 AM
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kiterunner wrote:
who said kenyans are wajuaji? I dont know if it was a compliment or not. There is nothing under the sun that we will hear and say 'Oh jeez, I don't understand this model, I wonder if there is an angle am missing with the information available to me, please explain xyz'. Nothing like that, instead we have a thread as this one


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