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Rank: Elder Joined: 8/16/2011 Posts: 2,297
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Rank: Chief Joined: 1/3/2007 Posts: 18,103 Location: Nairobi
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Will Co-op take the retrenchment costs in FY 2014? Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
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Rank: Elder Joined: 8/16/2011 Posts: 2,297
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VituVingiSana wrote:Will Co-op take the retrenchment costs in FY 2014?  Already taken, read above guides that we have dealt in variously.
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Rank: Member Joined: 5/6/2014 Posts: 268 Location: Nairobi, Kenya
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The problem with coop is the conservative dvd policy. Rem last year they maintained that they will keep retaining earnings longer to help expansion. My friend the highest I can foresee is 0.5 though they could keep paying their 0.4 and issue a bonus. Otherwise this thing could have been dining with simba and member at the high table by now
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Rank: Member Joined: 11/7/2013 Posts: 127 Location: Nairobi, Kenya
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Akenyan2014 wrote:The problem with coop is the conservative dvd policy. Rem last year they maintained that they will keep retaining earnings longer to help expansion. My friend the highest I can foresee is 0.5 though they could keep paying their 0.4 and issue a bonus. Otherwise this thing could have been dining with simba and member at the high table by now Bonus issue two years in a row? Highly unlikely..!!..perhaps cap. gains only translated by increased NAV I went into the (Ferry) industry knowing the same thing I knew with all other businesses I went into- Nothing. Then I built it from there. - Sheldon Adelson (Titans at the Table- Giants of Macau)
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Rank: Elder Joined: 8/16/2011 Posts: 2,297
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Bonus, share split, Rights issue are ways to borrow money from investors and public. Not all those who get Bonuses rush to sell but intend to retain for a good dividend following year.
That is one reason some firms are low in Dividend but high in Bunuses. Example was Panafric which returned a loss but went ahead to give a bonus of 1 for every two. This is like a split or rights issue as immediately the price will fold into two ex-bonus and not many will sell but hold for another year or keep buying.
These are the monies firms want. Slaughtering cat with many tricks
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/23/2009 Posts: 13,519 Location: nairobi
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Realtreaty wrote:Bonus, share split, Rights issue are ways to borrow money from investors and public. Not all those who get Bonuses rush to sell but intend to retain for a good dividend following year.
That is one reason some firms are low in Dividend but high in Bunuses. Example was Panafric which returned a loss but went ahead to give a bonus of 1 for every two. This is like a split or rights issue as immediately the price will fold into two ex-bonus and not many will sell but hold for another year or keep buying.
These are the monies firms want. Slaughtering cat with many tricks Kuna mahali umenipoteza.. Ati split, bonus gets money for the firm?? Rights naelewa.. Let me research
HF 90,000 ABP 3.83; KQ 414,100 ABP 7.92; MTN 23,800 ABP 6.45
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 11/15/2013 Posts: 1,977 Location: Here
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obiero wrote:Realtreaty wrote:Bonus, share split, Rights issue are ways to borrow money from investors and public. Not all those who get Bonuses rush to sell but intend to retain for a good dividend following year.
That is one reason some firms are low in Dividend but high in Bunuses. Example was Panafric which returned a loss but went ahead to give a bonus of 1 for every two. This is like a split or rights issue as immediately the price will fold into two ex-bonus and not many will sell but hold for another year or keep buying.
These are the monies firms want. Slaughtering cat with many tricks Kuna mahali umenipoteza.. Ati split, bonus gets money for the firm?? Rights naelewa.. Let me research More retained earnings...as opposed to giving divindend (special/normal) increase in '00 % Everybody STEALS, a THIEF is one who's CAUGHT stealing something of LITTLE VALUE. !!!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/7/2012 Posts: 11,908
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Boris Boyka wrote:obiero wrote:Realtreaty wrote:Bonus, share split, Rights issue are ways to borrow money from investors and public. Not all those who get Bonuses rush to sell but intend to retain for a good dividend following year.
That is one reason some firms are low in Dividend but high in Bunuses. Example was Panafric which returned a loss but went ahead to give a bonus of 1 for every two. This is like a split or rights issue as immediately the price will fold into two ex-bonus and not many will sell but hold for another year or keep buying.
These are the monies firms want. Slaughtering cat with many tricks Kuna mahali umenipoteza.. Ati split, bonus gets money for the firm?? Rights naelewa.. Let me research More retained earnings...as opposed to giving divindend (special/normal) increase in '00 % Share split..... No way!!! In the business world, everyone is paid in two coins - cash and experience. Take the experience first; the cash will come later - H Geneen
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Rank: Elder Joined: 1/21/2010 Posts: 6,675 Location: Nairobi
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Realtreaty wrote:Bonus, share split, Rights issue are ways to borrow money from investors and public. Not all those who get Bonuses rush to sell but intend to retain for a good dividend following year.
That is one reason some firms are low in Dividend but high in Bunuses. Example was Panafric which returned a loss but went ahead to give a bonus of 1 for every two. This is like a split or rights issue as immediately the price will fold into two ex-bonus and not many will sell but hold for another year or keep buying.
These are the monies firms want. Slaughtering cat with many tricks Now which loss did PanAfrica make? Mark 12:29
Deuteronomy 4:16
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 11/15/2013 Posts: 1,977 Location: Here
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Angelica _ann wrote:Boris Boyka wrote:obiero wrote:Realtreaty wrote:Bonus, share split, Rights issue are ways to borrow money from investors and public. Not all those who get Bonuses rush to sell but intend to retain for a good dividend following year.
That is one reason some firms are low in Dividend but high in Bunuses. Example was Panafric which returned a loss but went ahead to give a bonus of 1 for every two. This is like a split or rights issue as immediately the price will fold into two ex-bonus and not many will sell but hold for another year or keep buying.
These are the monies firms want. Slaughtering cat with many tricks Kuna mahali umenipoteza.. Ati split, bonus gets money for the firm?? Rights naelewa.. Let me research More retained earnings...as opposed to giving divindend (special/normal) increase in '00 % Share split..... No way!!! A share split may not be so directly but indirectly so be. Everybody STEALS, a THIEF is one who's CAUGHT stealing something of LITTLE VALUE. !!!
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 11/15/2013 Posts: 1,977 Location: Here
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guru267 wrote:Realtreaty wrote:Bonus, share split, Rights issue are ways to borrow money from investors and public. Not all those who get Bonuses rush to sell but intend to retain for a good dividend following year.
That is one reason some firms are low in Dividend but high in Bunuses. Example was Panafric which returned a loss but went ahead to give a bonus of 1 for every two. This is like a split or rights issue as immediately the price will fold into two ex-bonus and not many will sell but hold for another year or keep buying.
These are the monies firms want. Slaughtering cat with many tricks Now which loss did PanAfrica make? Reminds me of a discussion we had with some people back last year. They equated a "drop in profit" to a "loss" haya mambo mawili ni kizungu mkuti. It took a while to convince them Everybody STEALS, a THIEF is one who's CAUGHT stealing something of LITTLE VALUE. !!!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2012 Posts: 15,980
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Boris Boyka wrote:guru267 wrote:Realtreaty wrote:Bonus, share split, Rights issue are ways to borrow money from investors and public. Not all those who get Bonuses rush to sell but intend to retain for a good dividend following year.
That is one reason some firms are low in Dividend but high in Bunuses. Example was Panafric which returned a loss but went ahead to give a bonus of 1 for every two. This is like a split or rights issue as immediately the price will fold into two ex-bonus and not many will sell but hold for another year or keep buying.
These are the monies firms want. Slaughtering cat with many tricks Now which loss did PanAfrica make? Reminds me of a discussion we had with some people back last year. They equated a "drop in profit" to a "loss" haya mambo mawili ni kizungu mkuti. It took a while to convince them Basic financial education should be mandatory in our schools. "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2012 Posts: 15,980
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DEL! "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/22/2009 Posts: 7,455
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@Boris Boyka - You are agreeing with people who are disagreeing with you. Does that mean you have changed your mind, you were on faxe when you were typing the original post or you were on faxe when you were agreeing??? One more thing. Equating a reduction in profits to a loss? Should anyone even be having such a discussion?? Never count on making a good sale. Have the purchase price be so attractive that even a mediocre sale gives good returns.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 11/15/2013 Posts: 1,977 Location: Here
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MaichBlack wrote:@Boris Boyka - You are agreeing with people who are disagreeing with you. Does that mean you have changed your mind, you were on faxe when you were typing the original post or you were on faxe when you were agreeing???
One more thing. Equating a reduction in profits to a loss? Should anyone even be having such a discussion?? @Maich... you seem moody today. Anyway. part of the point on share split as not a source of money i agree,but on bonus i showed them how it is a source. Oppossing is much in you that you think disagreement has to be in totality . Discussion we do ata na illeterate shosho's. You are very lucky to be financially educated,knowlegeable and experienced. Meet with all classes of people in kenia and you will find many who lack 1,2 or all the above. read @murchr post. Mark you those were NSE invested and did some business studies back then. Faxe ni jana asubuhi not today Everybody STEALS, a THIEF is one who's CAUGHT stealing something of LITTLE VALUE. !!!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/22/2009 Posts: 7,455
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@Boris Boyka - I have interacted with people of all classes and it is the first time I have heard a person equating reduced profitability to a loss. Even illiterate people use "zinarudisha pesa" when they make zero profit and "Ni hasara" only when the lose money. Never heard anyone say they made a loss because they made 30% less profit. Never count on making a good sale. Have the purchase price be so attractive that even a mediocre sale gives good returns.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 11/15/2013 Posts: 1,977 Location: Here
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MaichBlack wrote:@Boris Boyka - I have interacted with people of all classes and it is the first time I have heard a person equating reduced profitability to a loss.
Even illiterate people use "zinarudisha pesa" when they make zero profit and "Ni hasara" only when the lose money. Never heard anyone say they made a loss because they made 30% less profit. Are you suggesting that am either lying or i was discussing with things that are not people? Everybody STEALS, a THIEF is one who's CAUGHT stealing something of LITTLE VALUE. !!!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/22/2009 Posts: 7,455
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Boris Boyka wrote:MaichBlack wrote:@Boris Boyka - I have interacted with people of all classes and it is the first time I have heard a person equating reduced profitability to a loss.
Even illiterate people use "zinarudisha pesa" when they make zero profit and "Ni hasara" only when the lose money. Never heard anyone say they made a loss because they made 30% less profit. Are you suggesting that am either lying or i was discussing with things that are not people?  Never count on making a good sale. Have the purchase price be so attractive that even a mediocre sale gives good returns.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 8/16/2011 Posts: 2,297
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murchr wrote:Boris Boyka wrote:guru267 wrote:Realtreaty wrote:Bonus, share split, Rights issue are ways to borrow money from investors and public. Not all those who get Bonuses rush to sell but intend to retain for a good dividend following year.
That is one reason some firms are low in Dividend but high in Bunuses. Example was Panafric which returned a loss but went ahead to give a bonus of 1 for every two. This is like a split or rights issue as immediately the price will fold into two ex-bonus and not many will sell but hold for another year or keep buying.
These are the monies firms want. Slaughtering cat with many tricks Now which loss did PanAfrica make? Reminds me of a discussion we had with some people back last year. They equated a "drop in profit" to a "loss" haya mambo mawili ni kizungu mkuti. It took a while to convince them Basic financial education should be mandatory in our schools. On a number line a loss would not necessarily mean a negative sum, but a figure lower than projected outcome. Make a numberline like you are in Primary 2(Two) and see for yourselves what a loss mean. A projection is a value expected and if not met after various expenses its called a loss. A profit is when you attain the projection or you go ahead of it.
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