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washiku
#51 Posted : Thursday, February 12, 2015 1:09:48 PM
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harrydre wrote:
aemathenge wrote:
tycho wrote:
Internet access isn't necessarily 'intelligence'.

I am suing you for stealing my point.


and does having a smartphone with internet access mean you are a user? NAH!


And does having a Smartphone make you smart/Intelligent?
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tycho
#52 Posted : Thursday, February 12, 2015 1:12:53 PM
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aemathenge wrote:
tycho wrote:
@mahegoat, does m-pesa qualify as a measure of intelligence given the definitions you've offered?


Looking at their definition:

The rankings, in the forum’s opinion, recognize the achievements of communities that have inclusive, prosperous, economies on a basis of information and communication technology.

I am inclined to think so.

The question is, do you?


For me the key words are 'communities', 'inclusive' and 'prosperous economies', 'consciously deciding' using ICT.

m-pesa is neither communally generated nor inclusive in generating economic prosperity. So it doesn't qualify.
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Muriel
#53 Posted : Thursday, February 12, 2015 1:24:51 PM
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aemathenge wrote:
Muriel wrote:
They cannot just be allocating new meanings to words as pleases them disregarding the existing meanings.

Doing that destroys language and renders communication unintelligible.


Granted.

But then again, in my rebuttal, I give you the (in)famous "Peculiar Kenyan Calling Habits" that has since become part of the Kenyan lexicon.

"They" give the resounding success that mpesa has become in bringing the mass man into the monetary-banking mainstream as one of the signs of this "intelligence". Yet only failure has met those that try to replicate it elsewhere.

I want to think that this is an adaptation to new phenomena and not destruction of language as you so eloquently put it.

"Peculiar Kenyan Calling Habits" did not, in my opinion, render communication unintelligible but actually enhanced it in that it defined a new behavior that could only have developed from peculiar usage of a relatively new technology.

How wrong am I?


Mahegoat, I was thinking that 'intelligence' implies 'thinking' or making own independent decisions sometimes not even calculated or anticipated by third parties.

Hence the doing of activities, no matter how complex they are is not thinking - its merely doing what is programmed. It is automation. It is not 'intelligent' hence 'intelligence' does not apply to it. Mpesa is not intelligent. Its an automaton doing only what its handlers want it to do. It does not go a byte beyond.

Brother, that is how and why I think its different from the one offered here.
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masukuma
#54 Posted : Thursday, February 12, 2015 2:15:15 PM
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aemathenge wrote:
Muriel wrote:
They cannot just be allocating new meanings to words as pleases them disregarding the existing meanings.

Doing that destroys language and renders communication unintelligible.


Granted.

But then again, in my rebuttal, I give you the (in)famous "Peculiar Kenyan Calling Habits" that has since become part of the Kenyan lexicon.

"They" give the resounding success that mpesa has become in bringing the mass man into the monetary-banking mainstream as one of the signs of this "intelligence". Yet only failure has met those that try to replicate it elsewhere.

I want to think that this is an adaptation to new phenomena and not destruction of language as you so eloquently put it.

"Peculiar Kenyan Calling Habits" did not, in my opinion, render communication unintelligible but actually enhanced it in that it defined a new behavior that could only have developed from peculiar usage of a relatively new technology.

How wrong am I?

I have never really understood this metric! why do they consider it a failure? since it's not as big as Kenya's? how long did it take for Kenya's version to grow to these levels? what people don't get is that what makes m-pesa tick is not tech or numbers of people on a telco network but rather what we call 'network effects'. The larger it becomes the more useful it becomes. people have not taken time to try and create these network effects. it's a chicken and egg situation - agents who need customers and customers who need agents. When people just seed a society with a product and wait and no magic is created they wonder - why are people not joining it? then they say - ah! kenyans are peculiar people.
All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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aemathenge
#55 Posted : Thursday, February 12, 2015 2:18:45 PM
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Houston, we have a problem !

Let me make a comprehensive study of the Forum and get back to you all.

All those billions not being made through "Intelligence"?

I am totally stymied.
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digitek1
#56 Posted : Thursday, February 12, 2015 2:41:02 PM
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washiku wrote:
tycho wrote:
Internet access isn't necessarily 'intelligence'.


Applause Applause Wazua is enough proof !

Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly what we have is too much 'internet'
I may be wrong..but then I could be right
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Muriel
#57 Posted : Thursday, February 12, 2015 4:03:50 PM
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aemathenge wrote:
Houston, we have a problem !

Let me make a comprehensive study of the Forum and get back to you all.

All those billions not being made through "Intelligence"?

I am totally stymied.


Laugh
Laugh
Laugh
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tycho
#58 Posted : Thursday, February 12, 2015 8:18:37 PM
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The issue of 'intelligence' has been on my mind for sometime now, and am glad that there's some white space on wazua for me to think and learn from others. In that case, wazua emerges as an intelligent entity. And in similar breath does Nairobi become intelligent. And perhaps the most intelligent in Africa.

To see how wazua, or Nairobi are intelligent one has to appreciate that wazua and Nairobi have different meanings, forms, and relations on different dimensions.

Maybe I should share what I think 'intelligence' is, or rather what I have discovered it to be. Intelligence is the ability to create harmony between unconscious forces and conscious actions. Adaptation isn't about the external environment alone. Evolution is in effect, a spiritual act and process.

So in a global context Nairobi exhibits intelligence by creating harmony with the unconscious forces of globalization and internetworking by adopting the appropriate behavior like embracing digital transactions and even by showing innovation - like in the case of m-pesa.

It may be true that Nairobi is very intelligent. I concede.
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nakujua
#59 Posted : Thursday, February 12, 2015 10:24:42 PM
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digitek1 wrote:
washiku wrote:
tycho wrote:
Internet access isn't necessarily 'intelligence'.


Applause Applause Wazua is enough proof !

Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly what we have is too much 'internet'

watu wanasusia kazi
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radio
#60 Posted : Thursday, February 12, 2015 11:48:18 PM
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How is this intelligent Nairobi using it's intelligent to set apart Nairobians?

What advantage does it accord Nairobians as compared to for instance Kampalians?
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