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Nairobi Africa's 'most intelligent' city
Muriel
#41 Posted : Thursday, February 12, 2015 9:54:34 AM
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tycho wrote:
aemathenge wrote:
tycho wrote:
aemathenge wrote:
tycho wrote:
Internet access isn't necessarily 'intelligence'.

I am suing you for stealing my point.


Let's do an 'out of court' please. Great to hear from you.


Very well.

Out of Court Settlement it is.

Perhaps we could start by interrogating this most intelligent city thing from the perspective of the defining authority.

The Intelligent Community Forum is quoted by The Chicken Noodle Network’s Market Place Africa as defining intelligent communities as those that have taken conscious steps to create an economy that can prosper in the broadband economy.

The rankings, in the forum’s opinion, recognize the achievements of communities that have inclusive, prosperous economies on a basis of information and communication technology.

Shall we move from there?


Yes. Sounds reasonable.


Excuse me, I beg to differ.

They cannot just be allocating new meanings to words as pleases them disregarding the existing meanings.

Doing that destroys language and renders communication unintelligible.

tycho
#42 Posted : Thursday, February 12, 2015 10:01:57 AM
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Muriel wrote:
tycho wrote:
aemathenge wrote:
tycho wrote:
aemathenge wrote:
tycho wrote:
Internet access isn't necessarily 'intelligence'.

I am suing you for stealing my point.


Let's do an 'out of court' please. Great to hear from you.


Very well.

Out of Court Settlement it is.

Perhaps we could start by interrogating this most intelligent city thing from the perspective of the defining authority.

The Intelligent Community Forum is quoted by The Chicken Noodle Network’s Market Place Africa as defining intelligent communities as those that have taken conscious steps to create an economy that can prosper in the broadband economy.

The rankings, in the forum’s opinion, recognize the achievements of communities that have inclusive, prosperous economies on a basis of information and communication technology.

Shall we move from there?


Yes. Sounds reasonable.


Excuse me, I beg to differ.

They cannot just be allocating new meanings to words as pleases them disregarding the existing meanings.

Doing that destroys language and renders communication unintelligible.



Like which meanings?
Swenani
#43 Posted : Thursday, February 12, 2015 10:08:19 AM
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tycho wrote:
Swenani wrote:
tycho wrote:
Muriel wrote:
tycho wrote:
aemathenge wrote:
tycho wrote:
Internet access isn't necessarily 'intelligence'.

I am suing you for stealing my point.


Let's do an 'out of court' please. Great to hear from you.

@swenani, a city can have an IQ. A city can be intelligent.


As in smart phone or internet of things. But they are dumb insofar as their 'smartness' is not inherent.


A city is also a living organism.


Wewe Tycho wachana na Bangi ya Luanda!


Ni vute gani sasa? Yako ni ya wapi?


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masukuma
#44 Posted : Thursday, February 12, 2015 10:22:23 AM
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the very fact that we have people on this forum discussing and critiquing the 'most intelligent' label of the city they hail from adds credence that there is some 'intelligence' in Nairobi! of course some of you may want to claim that i was not intelligent enough to criticise the 'most intelligent' tag/label when I first posted it but rather I decided to use Obama's meme. The reason I did this is because I had gone before you and known that most of you will intelligently criticise the 'intelligence' tag and from previous discussions gathered that the label was fitting and thus I posted it. The very fact that you have been able to follow this string of thought shows that you are indeed intelligent and adds credence to the fact that there is some 'intelligence' in Nairobi - some thing that I always thought you would be able to do coz you are indeed ...'intelligent'
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tycho
#45 Posted : Thursday, February 12, 2015 10:23:12 AM
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Joined: 7/1/2011
Posts: 8,804
Location: Nairobi
Swenani wrote:
tycho wrote:
Swenani wrote:
tycho wrote:
Muriel wrote:
tycho wrote:
aemathenge wrote:
tycho wrote:
Internet access isn't necessarily 'intelligence'.

I am suing you for stealing my point.


Let's do an 'out of court' please. Great to hear from you.

@swenani, a city can have an IQ. A city can be intelligent.


As in smart phone or internet of things. But they are dumb insofar as their 'smartness' is not inherent.


A city is also a living organism.


Wewe Tycho wachana na Bangi ya Luanda!


Ni vute gani sasa? Yako ni ya wapi?


Washana na fangi,Mimi huvuta majani chai


Wacha ni baki kwa fangi. Hiyo yako imenishinda.
Muriel
#46 Posted : Thursday, February 12, 2015 10:25:55 AM
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Joined: 11/19/2009
Posts: 3,142
tycho wrote:
Muriel wrote:
tycho wrote:
aemathenge wrote:
tycho wrote:
aemathenge wrote:
tycho wrote:
Internet access isn't necessarily 'intelligence'.

I am suing you for stealing my point.


Let's do an 'out of court' please. Great to hear from you.


Very well.

Out of Court Settlement it is.

Perhaps we could start by interrogating this most intelligent city thing from the perspective of the defining authority.

The Intelligent Community Forum is quoted by The Chicken Noodle Network’s Market Place Africa as defining intelligent communities as those that have taken conscious steps to create an economy that can prosper in the broadband economy.

The rankings, in the forum’s opinion, recognize the achievements of communities that have inclusive, prosperous economies on a basis of information and communication technology.

Shall we move from there?


Yes. Sounds reasonable.


Excuse me, I beg to differ.

They cannot just be allocating new meanings to words as pleases them disregarding the existing meanings.

Doing that destroys language and renders communication unintelligible.



Like which meanings?


Of 'intelligent'.
Muriel
#47 Posted : Thursday, February 12, 2015 10:28:34 AM
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Posts: 3,142
masukuma wrote:
the very fact that we have people on this forum discussing and critiquing the 'most intelligent' label of the city they hail from adds credence that there is some 'intelligence' in Nairobi! of course some of you may want to claim that i was not intelligent enough to criticise the 'most intelligent' tag/label when I first posted it but rather I decided to use Obama's meme. The reason I did this is because I had gone before you and known that most of you will intelligently criticise the 'intelligence' tag and from previous discussions gathered that the label was fitting and thus I posted it. The very fact that you have been able to follow this string of thought shows that you are indeed intelligent and adds credence to the fact that there is some 'intelligence' in Nairobi - some thing that I always thought you would be able to do coz you are indeed ...'intelligent'



So it was all just a phrase? An idiom? A poem?
aemathenge
#48 Posted : Thursday, February 12, 2015 10:30:51 AM
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Muriel wrote:
They cannot just be allocating new meanings to words as pleases them disregarding the existing meanings.

Doing that destroys language and renders communication unintelligible.


Granted.

But then again, in my rebuttal, I give you the (in)famous "Peculiar Kenyan Calling Habits" that has since become part of the Kenyan lexicon.

"They" give the resounding success that mpesa has become in bringing the mass man into the monetary-banking mainstream as one of the signs of this "intelligence". Yet only failure has met those that try to replicate it elsewhere.

I want to think that this is an adaptation to new phenomena and not destruction of language as you so eloquently put it.

"Peculiar Kenyan Calling Habits" did not, in my opinion, render communication unintelligible but actually enhanced it in that it defined a new behavior that could only have developed from peculiar usage of a relatively new technology.

How wrong am I?
tycho
#49 Posted : Thursday, February 12, 2015 12:28:22 PM
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Location: Nairobi
@Muriel, what's the common meaning of intelligence and how different is it from the one offered here?

@masukuma, it's possible to have 'some' intelligence in Nairobi, but isn't this expected in any city? Does intelligence have threshold values or conditions?

@mahegoat, does m-pesa qualify as a measure of intelligence given the definitions you've offered?
aemathenge
#50 Posted : Thursday, February 12, 2015 1:03:00 PM
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Posts: 3,434
Location: Kerugoya
tycho wrote:
@mahegoat, does m-pesa qualify as a measure of intelligence given the definitions you've offered?


Looking at their definition:

The rankings, in the forum’s opinion, recognize the achievements of communities that have inclusive, prosperous, economies on a basis of information and communication technology.

I am inclined to think so.

The question is, do you?
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