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Best Money Market fund in Kenya
chiaroscuro
#91 Posted : Wednesday, February 04, 2015 4:14:35 PM
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S.Mutaga III wrote:
After a careful analysis, its never worth the hustle to invest in a unit trust. The return on investment is just too little to warrant the hustle. You invest and wait for 12 months to get just 10% return on investment. You are better off putting the money in your bank account (not fixed deposit) for the following reasons:
1) The amount may improve your credit rating with the bank in case you need loans in future.
2) There are business opportunities that arise in the course of the year that require urgent cash. Such business opportunities often have great returns and require the cash in matters of hours or at most 48 hours. It takes at least 4 business days to liquidate the money market fund. For instance, you may spot a piece of land that is being disposed by a bank at a throw away price etc.
3) Some of these money market funds champion for lipa na mpesa which eats into the anticipated profits. After all transaction costs, the real return is even much lower than 9%.
4) Put your money where your mouth is. I think the person who benefits from Unit Trusts such as Zimele are the owners because they get loans at a fixed 9% and invest them for better returns...9% loans per year is a very cheap loan from their point of view.


Which unit trusts have you been dealing with? I have dealt with CIC, BRITAM and ICEA and what you say above does NOT apply to them!

1] & 2] You get ready access to your money - a simple email and you funds are in your bank account the following day - 48 hours at the longest.

3] Lipa na MPESA is free!

4] No. have you ever looked at the audited annual report of the unit trusts? I suggest you do and compare the income to the pay-outs.

BTW: Which land deal is this that cannot wait 48 hours for the cash?
Speculz
#92 Posted : Wednesday, February 04, 2015 7:00:57 PM
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chiaroscuro wrote:
S.Mutaga III wrote:
After a careful analysis, its never worth the hustle to invest in a unit trust. The return on investment is just too little to warrant the hustle. You invest and wait for 12 months to get just 10% return on investment. You are better off putting the money in your bank account (not fixed deposit) for the following reasons:
1) The amount may improve your credit rating with the bank in case you need loans in future.
2) There are business opportunities that arise in the course of the year that require urgent cash. Such business opportunities often have great returns and require the cash in matters of hours or at most 48 hours. It takes at least 4 business days to liquidate the money market fund. For instance, you may spot a piece of land that is being disposed by a bank at a throw away price etc.
3) Some of these money market funds champion for lipa na mpesa which eats into the anticipated profits. After all transaction costs, the real return is even much lower than 9%.
4) Put your money where your mouth is. I think the person who benefits from Unit Trusts such as Zimele are the owners because they get loans at a fixed 9% and invest them for better returns...9% loans per year is a very cheap loan from their point of view.


Which unit trusts have you been dealing with? I have dealt with CIC, BRITAM and ICEA and what you say above does NOT apply to them!

1] & 2] You get ready access to your money - a simple email and you funds are in your bank account the following day - 48 hours at the longest.

3] Lipa na MPESA is free!

4] No. have you ever looked at the audited annual report of the unit trusts? I suggest you do and compare the income to the pay-outs.

BTW: Which land deal is this that cannot wait 48 hours for the cash?


how was your experience with ICEA & CIC ?
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chiaroscuro
#93 Posted : Thursday, February 05, 2015 8:38:41 AM
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Speculz wrote:
chiaroscuro wrote:
S.Mutaga III wrote:
After a careful analysis, its never worth the hustle to invest in a unit trust. The return on investment is just too little to warrant the hustle. You invest and wait for 12 months to get just 10% return on investment. You are better off putting the money in your bank account (not fixed deposit) for the following reasons:
1) The amount may improve your credit rating with the bank in case you need loans in future.
2) There are business opportunities that arise in the course of the year that require urgent cash. Such business opportunities often have great returns and require the cash in matters of hours or at most 48 hours. It takes at least 4 business days to liquidate the money market fund. For instance, you may spot a piece of land that is being disposed by a bank at a throw away price etc.
3) Some of these money market funds champion for lipa na mpesa which eats into the anticipated profits. After all transaction costs, the real return is even much lower than 9%.
4) Put your money where your mouth is. I think the person who benefits from Unit Trusts such as Zimele are the owners because they get loans at a fixed 9% and invest them for better returns...9% loans per year is a very cheap loan from their point of view.


Which unit trusts have you been dealing with? I have dealt with CIC, BRITAM and ICEA and what you say above does NOT apply to them!

1] & 2] You get ready access to your money - a simple email and you funds are in your bank account the following day - 48 hours at the longest.

3] Lipa na MPESA is free!

4] No. have you ever looked at the audited annual report of the unit trusts? I suggest you do and compare the income to the pay-outs.

BTW: Which land deal is this that cannot wait 48 hours for the cash?


how was your experience with ICEA & CIC ?


ICEA are rather conservative so their returns are pretty low. Otherwise good service all round but a bit slow to adopt new technologies...

CIC have been quite aggressive and therefore have good returns. Very good customer service as well. They respond to requests very quickly. I once got money out and into my acc in 24h.

BRITAM have slightly better returns than CIC but their customer service is hopeless! They rarely respond to emails - and when they do it is several days later. I recently tried to re-activate my account and they did not respond to my emails and tweets for three weeks! Then I sent them a message that I have some 250m to invest - they came running!
Chaka
#94 Posted : Thursday, February 05, 2015 9:35:56 AM
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@chiaroscuro,
I believe Britam charges an admin fee of 2.5% pa on invested funds?
butterflyke
#95 Posted : Thursday, February 05, 2015 9:35:56 AM
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chiaroscuro wrote:
Speculz wrote:
[quote=chiaroscuro][quote=S.Mutaga II

how was your experience with ICEA & CIC ?


ICEA are rather conservative so their returns are pretty low. Otherwise good service all round but a bit slow to adopt new technologies...

CIC have been quite aggressive and therefore have good returns. Very good customer service as well. They respond to requests very quickly. I once got money out and into my acc in 24h.

BRITAM have slightly better returns than CIC but their customer service is hopeless! They rarely respond to emails - and when they do it is several days later. I recently tried to re-activate my account and they did not respond to my emails and tweets for three weeks! Then I sent them a message that I have some 250m to invest - they came running!


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chiaroscuro
#96 Posted : Thursday, February 05, 2015 11:30:19 AM
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Chaka wrote:
@chiaroscuro,
I believe Britam charges an admin fee of 2.5% pa on invested funds?


I don't know. My assessment is based on net returns after charging admin and W/tax. They can charge whatever they want, all I'm interested in is what lands in my account!
anasazi
#97 Posted : Friday, March 20, 2015 3:38:24 PM
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Is there a reason there is no online source for the money market fund returns? The funds mostly don't quote the rate of return online, and even for the newspapers you need to buy a gazeti to review! Would be good to have an online source so that we can make decisions based on data...
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pariah
#98 Posted : Saturday, March 21, 2015 2:48:03 AM
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zimele
oops
#99 Posted : Thursday, March 26, 2015 1:20:17 PM
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what are current rates of return on for under 1M? eg "Cic, zimele, britam" etc
Chaka
#100 Posted : Thursday, March 26, 2015 1:56:50 PM
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Posts: 2,114
oops wrote:
what are current rates of return on for under 1M? eg "Cic, zimele, britam" etc

Rates change from day to day.However Zimele has remained at 9% for a long time.
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