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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/17/2009 Posts: 3,583 Location: Kenya
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MaichBlack wrote:nakujua wrote:mwenza wrote:nakujua wrote:chiaroscuro wrote:mwenza wrote:This so called affirmative action is sometimes a fallacy. Most parents do not take their children to overcrowded public schools by choice. The reasons are mainly financial. There are quite a number of good private primary schools which charge circa 20k fees per term.
Now tell me if a parent can not afford to take their kid to a private school charging between 15-20k per term, how would such a parent manage to educate their kid in a school like say Alliance High where total cost last year was 147K ( including cost of text books since they don't provide any) per year for form one students. Remind me again why people are falling over one another trying to get their kids to Alliance? From your description, it doesn't seem like a good school at all - "they don't even provide text books! huyu mwenza ako zake, kuna bursaries for poor kids, and private schools can discriminate on the kids they select for admission - thus the reason for the affirmative/quota system in place. if you stop limiting yourself to nairobi and other urban areas then you will see the bigger picture when it comes to the affirmative action. @nakujua.... Trust me, am talking from point of knowledge. then sielewi that point - remember in the public vs private school scenario, the latter can only admit those who can afford while the former accounts for both and the reason some balancing act is put in place. National Schools almost always have better facilities compared to other public school. The fact that the schools that were upgrade to National schools were give a couple of millions each to upgrade their facilities attests to this. Secondly, due to expectations, teachers in traditionally high performing schools are pressured to keep standards up. A good number of teachers would never want to teach in National Schools because of the pressure. A relative was telling me you can get 100 As in Maths and you are called to the office to explain the unacceptable failure given the previous year there were 160 straight As. In other schools, half the students getting Es is an achievement because they are used to 75% Es. Most teachers prefer the later because mshahara ni ule ule (Apart from "Motivation allowance"). If your kid is in the former, he will benefit from the fact that the teacher is under pressure to ensure he and the classmates outperform the previous class. my comments were on public vs private primary schools - either way we have been 'zombified' into books as the measure of success especially for kids. but you honestly can't compare national schools with the others, the national schools get the best performing students coupled with great resources - hata with danda, lazy teachers most of those kids can hit straight A's with ease. I am sure if we were to switch and take the worst performers in kcpe to the well resourced national schools and take the top students to the village day schools at the end of 4 years the academically gifted kids would still come tops, doesn't matter the pressure put on the kids who are not academically gifted. for the teachers remember kuna kitu huitwa promotion, and that is pegged to some extent on performance. lakini everyone is gifted differently, its all about helping kids discover what they are good at , our success in life is based on maximizing ones strengths.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2012 Posts: 15,980
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Just been informed that my niece who was in Moi edu center has been called to some sch in Mandera, how is that fair? "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/3/2008 Posts: 4,058 Location: Gwitu
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murchr wrote:Just been informed that my niece who was in Moi edu center has been called to some sch in Mandera, how is that fair? Not fair but if you can afford some facilitation allowance (50K) she will get her dream school in Nairobi. Truth forever on the scaffold
Wrong forever on the throne
(James Russell Rowell)
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 2/2/2012 Posts: 1,134 Location: Nairobi
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murchr wrote:Just been informed that my niece who was in Moi edu center has been called to some sch in Mandera, how is that fair? What were her choices and what did she score?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2012 Posts: 15,980
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chiaroscuro wrote:murchr wrote:Just been informed that my niece who was in Moi edu center has been called to some sch in Mandera, how is that fair? What were her choices and what did she score? I know two, Kenya High, Moi Nairobi gals, 385 marks sasa hio si ni matharau? "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Rank: Elder Joined: 8/4/2008 Posts: 2,849 Location: Rupi
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Othelo wrote:Euge wrote:nakujua wrote:Swenani wrote:Torio wrote:This selection stinks. And it is not just private school kids. My friend's daughter - who was in a rural public school in Central - scored 400 and was selected to join Loreto Kiambu (not Limuru), which is just so-so. A girl who scored 378, and who was from the same school will be going to Precious Blood Riruta. My friend's girl had Riruta as her 1st choice. It does not make any sense.
If, as Kaimenyi says, “The government's intention is to make all secondary schools operate at the same level so that we end this belief that there are inferior and superior schools,” then what is the point of doing a national exam? Why not go majimbo all the way then, American style?
I'll give them one thing, there will be bribery left, right ... You are new to wazua right?  , pole kwake - but I thought both schools are extra county schools so at the same level. My friends daughter scored 342 and has been called to Kenya High. #team Affirmative action lot  @ Othelo not for a minute. The system is grossly unfair!!! Its annoying! That a kid with 427 from a private school cannot be selected to Kenya High and 342 gets straight admission. Aaaiiiii!!! Lord, thank you!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/22/2009 Posts: 7,838
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murchr wrote:chiaroscuro wrote:murchr wrote:Just been informed that my niece who was in Moi edu center has been called to some sch in Mandera, how is that fair? What were her choices and what did she score? I know two, Kenya High, Moi Nairobi gals, 385 marks sasa hio si ni matharau? In other news a daughter to @Euge's friend has been admitted to Kenya High with 342 marks. As far as MoE is concerned, you can go jump off a bridge for all they care!!! Never count on making a good sale. Have the purchase price be so attractive that even a mediocre sale gives good returns.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2012 Posts: 15,980
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MaichBlack wrote:murchr wrote:chiaroscuro wrote:murchr wrote:Just been informed that my niece who was in Moi edu center has been called to some sch in Mandera, how is that fair? What were her choices and what did she score? I know two, Kenya High, Moi Nairobi gals, 385 marks sasa hio si ni matharau? In other news a daughter to @Euge's friend has been admitted to Kenya High with 342 marks. As far as MoE is concerned, you can go jump off a bridge for all they care!!! In simple tones, what is the Govt telling people, that those who can pay for proper education can as well survive in Mandera where the teachers dont want to go teach? Upus! "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/3/2008 Posts: 4,058 Location: Gwitu
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It is time to eat ! Watch out for principals upgrading their vehicles and building more rentals in February! Truth forever on the scaffold
Wrong forever on the throne
(James Russell Rowell)
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/22/2009 Posts: 7,838
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murchr wrote:MaichBlack wrote:murchr wrote:chiaroscuro wrote:murchr wrote:Just been informed that my niece who was in Moi edu center has been called to some sch in Mandera, how is that fair? What were her choices and what did she score? I know two, Kenya High, Moi Nairobi gals, 385 marks sasa hio si ni matharau? In other news a daughter to @Euge's friend has been admitted to Kenya High with 342 marks. As far as MoE is concerned, you can go jump off a bridge for all they care!!! In simple tones, what is the Govt telling people, that those who can pay for proper education can as well survive in Mandera where the teachers dont want to go teach? Upus! The positions for kids with 385, 427 etc. are 'safe' at Kenya High etc. It's only that at the moment they have conveniently been given to kids from Mandera who will not even afford the fare to the school let alone the school fees. The positions will become available after the Mandera kids don't report. But the parents will have to part with 50k facilitation fees. And for a school that picks around 300 students you can bet there will be around 80 such vacancies. That's a cool 4 million which is normally shared by 4 or less people - The headmaster and two or three others who are powerful enough to spoil the party. Teachers get nothing!!! But the headmaster will always make sure that all parents part with between 2 and 3k as motivation fees for the teachers every semester. Every teacher gets around 80k per term as motivation allowance and everyone is happy. And the scam continues. ile mzazi amebakisha anapelekea Kyuna juu mtoto 'alipata' shule!!! Never count on making a good sale. Have the purchase price be so attractive that even a mediocre sale gives good returns.
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