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Rank: Veteran Joined: 2/2/2012 Posts: 1,134 Location: Nairobi
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nakujua wrote:chiaroscuro wrote:MaichBlack wrote:chiaroscuro wrote:Looking at the sampled children in today's newspaper, I think the problem is that candidates and their guardians are not properly advised on how to make effective choices. How does one choose Alliance, Maranda, Lenana and Maseno? All these are highly competitive schools.
If you miss Alliance with your 407marks, you will find that by the time they try to place you in Maranda, it is already filled by those who chose it as first choice. Same for Lenana, Maseno and ALL other national schools and competitive county ones.
So, you'll be left out! The only thing the ministry can do is place you anywhere else there is a space.
People must learn that CHOICES HAVE CONSEQUENCES!
This a very stone age approach. If I chose a school as my second or third choice and I scored more marks than you, I should get a higher priority than you even if you chose it as your first choice if I miss my first choice. It's doable only the people involved are lazy, corrupt and clueless!!! If you chose a school as your first choice and I chose it as my third and one of us is supposed to be admitted there and I scored higher marks than you, it is common sense that I should get the slot before you, other things (affirmative action bla bla bla) being constant). The only difference should be that there are other two schools I'd rather have gone to but didn't meet the criteria. Common sense is surely not common - as far as this so called selection process is concerned. You do have a point and I hope MoE is scanning Wazua to get some ideas.... The net effect of your proposal is that all the choices are given equal priority and then placement is based on popularity of a school. That is, suppose Adam has 410 marks and Bob 400 Adam chooses Alliance as second choice while Bob chooses it as first choice. algorithim What you are saying is that we ignore the fact that Bob had a greater desire to go to Alliance that Adam and only look at their marks. So we give the slot to Adam even though he didn't want to go to Alliance as much as Bob. My opinion is that this is not fair to Bob. And secondly, we are giving too much focus on marks and ignoring the rest of the human being - his likes and dislikes etc! you have put it very well, the parameters that go into the algorithm are limiting the places, to have the scenario that @MaichBlack is advocating for, then we would need to change the parameters, but as you put it the current ranking of the choices is a parameter that has to be considered when doing the placement otherwise it would be a case of defining a variable and then not using it. The kids selection lists as used currently has led to the current scenario where some think that its unfair, but if we were to start guessing where a kid might prefer to go outside their selection then the algorithm becomes very complex especially given the current input. Instead of guessing, we could increase the number of choices... perhaps up to 7!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 4/22/2009 Posts: 2,863
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MaichBlack wrote:And why are we rewarding mediocrity???
Is the government telling us that individuals running private schools are doing a much better job than the government and the government is resigned to that fact?
I will tell you something free of charge. Teachers in MOST private schools are less qualified, less experienced, more overworked and earn less than their counter parts in public schools. The main reason private schools perform better is because the teachers are held accountable for the performance of their students and there is a proper follow up and audit all the way from lower classes. If you don't believe me, dare any teacher in a public school to join a private school. The can't even dare. In most public schools all you have to do is show up. Go to class, talk to yourself if you feel like and wait for end month.
The government should run public schools like private schools in terms of managing staff and setting targets!
I understand affirmative action in the case of students from Mandera and other disadvantaged areas but students in the same estate in the same county??? Seriously??? We are neighbours, we go to neighbouring school only that one is private and the other one is public and you are admitted to the school of my choice with 380 marks and I am left out with my 420 marks??? Couldnt have been put any better. They are not only rewarding mediocrity, they are actually punishing excellence. IF YOU EXPECT ME TO POST ANYTHING POSITIVE ABOUT ASENO, YOU MAY AS WELL SIT ON A PIN
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/17/2009 Posts: 3,583 Location: Kenya
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chiaroscuro wrote:nakujua wrote:chiaroscuro wrote:MaichBlack wrote:chiaroscuro wrote:Looking at the sampled children in today's newspaper, I think the problem is that candidates and their guardians are not properly advised on how to make effective choices. How does one choose Alliance, Maranda, Lenana and Maseno? All these are highly competitive schools.
If you miss Alliance with your 407marks, you will find that by the time they try to place you in Maranda, it is already filled by those who chose it as first choice. Same for Lenana, Maseno and ALL other national schools and competitive county ones.
So, you'll be left out! The only thing the ministry can do is place you anywhere else there is a space.
People must learn that CHOICES HAVE CONSEQUENCES!
This a very stone age approach. If I chose a school as my second or third choice and I scored more marks than you, I should get a higher priority than you even if you chose it as your first choice if I miss my first choice. It's doable only the people involved are lazy, corrupt and clueless!!! If you chose a school as your first choice and I chose it as my third and one of us is supposed to be admitted there and I scored higher marks than you, it is common sense that I should get the slot before you, other things (affirmative action bla bla bla) being constant). The only difference should be that there are other two schools I'd rather have gone to but didn't meet the criteria. Common sense is surely not common - as far as this so called selection process is concerned. You do have a point and I hope MoE is scanning Wazua to get some ideas.... The net effect of your proposal is that all the choices are given equal priority and then placement is based on popularity of a school. That is, suppose Adam has 410 marks and Bob 400 Adam chooses Alliance as second choice while Bob chooses it as first choice. algorithim What you are saying is that we ignore the fact that Bob had a greater desire to go to Alliance that Adam and only look at their marks. So we give the slot to Adam even though he didn't want to go to Alliance as much as Bob. My opinion is that this is not fair to Bob. And secondly, we are giving too much focus on marks and ignoring the rest of the human being - his likes and dislikes etc! you have put it very well, the parameters that go into the algorithm are limiting the places, to have the scenario that @MaichBlack is advocating for, then we would need to change the parameters, but as you put it the current ranking of the choices is a parameter that has to be considered when doing the placement otherwise it would be a case of defining a variable and then not using it. The kids selection lists as used currently has led to the current scenario where some think that its unfair, but if we were to start guessing where a kid might prefer to go outside their selection then the algorithm becomes very complex especially given the current input. Instead of guessing, we could increase the number of choices... perhaps up to 7! of course, with a bigger filter the chances of a placement increase, but cases of kids who qualify for national school and still miss might still occur since the loophole still exists. the only way out would be to work out the cut off mark factoring in affirmative action and basically randomly allocate kids to national schools - do away with the selection. But better still would be to do away with national schools, get rid of boarding government secondary schools and let it be the parents responsibility to get a school for their kid.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/17/2009 Posts: 3,583 Location: Kenya
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mwenza wrote:MaichBlack wrote:And why are we rewarding mediocrity???
Is the government telling us that individuals running private schools are doing a much better job than the government and the government is resigned to that fact?
I will tell you something free of charge. Teachers in MOST private schools are less qualified, less experienced, more overworked and earn less than their counter parts in public schools. The main reason private schools perform better is because the teachers are held accountable for the performance of their students and there is a proper follow up and audit all the way from lower classes. If you don't believe me, dare any teacher in a public school to join a private school. The can't even dare. In most public schools all you have to do is show up. Go to class, talk to yourself if you feel like and wait for end month.
The government should run public schools like private schools in terms of managing staff and setting targets!
I understand affirmative action in the case of students from Mandera and other disadvantaged areas but students in the same estate in the same county??? Seriously??? We are neighbours, we go to neighbouring school only that one is private and the other one is public and you are admitted to the school of my choice with 380 marks and I am left out with my 420 marks??? Couldnt have been put any better. They are not only rewarding mediocrity, they are actually punishing excellence. to be fair to the current discussion, I think the conditions out there vary greatly and thus the definition of excellence is partly influenced by the same.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 4/22/2009 Posts: 2,863
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nakujua wrote:chiaroscuro wrote:MaichBlack wrote:chiaroscuro wrote:Looking at the sampled children in today's newspaper, I think the problem is that candidates and their guardians are not properly advised on how to make effective choices. How does one choose Alliance, Maranda, Lenana and Maseno? All these are highly competitive schools.
If you miss Alliance with your 407marks, you will find that by the time they try to place you in Maranda, it is already filled by those who chose it as first choice. Same for Lenana, Maseno and ALL other national schools and competitive county ones.
So, you'll be left out! The only thing the ministry can do is place you anywhere else there is a space.
People must learn that CHOICES HAVE CONSEQUENCES!
This a very stone age approach. If I chose a school as my second or third choice and I scored more marks than you, I should get a higher priority than you even if you chose it as your first choice if I miss my first choice. It's doable only the people involved are lazy, corrupt and clueless!!! If you chose a school as your first choice and I chose it as my third and one of us is supposed to be admitted there and I scored higher marks than you, it is common sense that I should get the slot before you, other things (affirmative action bla bla bla) being constant). The only difference should be that there are other two schools I'd rather have gone to but didn't meet the criteria. Common sense is surely not common - as far as this so called selection process is concerned. You do have a point and I hope MoE is scanning Wazua to get some ideas.... The net effect of your proposal is that all the choices are given equal priority and then placement is based on popularity of a school. That is, suppose Adam has 410 marks and Bob 400 Adam chooses Alliance as second choice while Bob chooses it as first choice. algorithim What you are saying is that we ignore the fact that Bob had a greater desire to go to Alliance that Adam and only look at their marks. So we give the slot to Adam even though he didn't want to go to Alliance as much as Bob. My opinion is that this is not fair to Bob. And secondly, we are giving too much focus on marks and ignoring the rest of the human being - his likes and dislikes etc! you have put it very well, the parameters that go into the algorithm are limiting the places, to have the scenario that @MaichBlack is advocating for, then we would need to change the parameters, but as you put it the current ranking of the choices is a parameter that has to be considered when doing the placement otherwise it would be a case of defining a variable and then not using it. The kids selection lists as used currently has led to the current scenario where some think that its unfair, but if we were to start guessing where a kid might prefer to go outside their selection then the algorithm becomes very complex especially given the current input. Make no mistake, virtually every child would wish to join the most prestigious schools given a chance. I vividly recall a couple of years ago the top pupil was a girl who had selected Pangani girls as her first choice school. When she was being interviewed after the results were out, she stated that had she known she would perform so well, then she would have selected Alliance girls as her first choice. In short, @MaichBlack argument holds a lot of water. IF YOU EXPECT ME TO POST ANYTHING POSITIVE ABOUT ASENO, YOU MAY AS WELL SIT ON A PIN
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 2/2/2012 Posts: 1,134 Location: Nairobi
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nakujua wrote:chiaroscuro wrote:nakujua wrote:chiaroscuro wrote:MaichBlack wrote:chiaroscuro wrote:Looking at the sampled children in today's newspaper, I think the problem is that candidates and their guardians are not properly advised on how to make effective choices. How does one choose Alliance, Maranda, Lenana and Maseno? All these are highly competitive schools.
If you miss Alliance with your 407marks, you will find that by the time they try to place you in Maranda, it is already filled by those who chose it as first choice. Same for Lenana, Maseno and ALL other national schools and competitive county ones.
So, you'll be left out! The only thing the ministry can do is place you anywhere else there is a space.
People must learn that CHOICES HAVE CONSEQUENCES!
This a very stone age approach. If I chose a school as my second or third choice and I scored more marks than you, I should get a higher priority than you even if you chose it as your first choice if I miss my first choice. It's doable only the people involved are lazy, corrupt and clueless!!! If you chose a school as your first choice and I chose it as my third and one of us is supposed to be admitted there and I scored higher marks than you, it is common sense that I should get the slot before you, other things (affirmative action bla bla bla) being constant). The only difference should be that there are other two schools I'd rather have gone to but didn't meet the criteria. Common sense is surely not common - as far as this so called selection process is concerned. You do have a point and I hope MoE is scanning Wazua to get some ideas.... The net effect of your proposal is that all the choices are given equal priority and then placement is based on popularity of a school. That is, suppose Adam has 410 marks and Bob 400 Adam chooses Alliance as second choice while Bob chooses it as first choice. algorithim What you are saying is that we ignore the fact that Bob had a greater desire to go to Alliance that Adam and only look at their marks. So we give the slot to Adam even though he didn't want to go to Alliance as much as Bob. My opinion is that this is not fair to Bob. And secondly, we are giving too much focus on marks and ignoring the rest of the human being - his likes and dislikes etc! you have put it very well, the parameters that go into the algorithm are limiting the places, to have the scenario that @MaichBlack is advocating for, then we would need to change the parameters, but as you put it the current ranking of the choices is a parameter that has to be considered when doing the placement otherwise it would be a case of defining a variable and then not using it. The kids selection lists as used currently has led to the current scenario where some think that its unfair, but if we were to start guessing where a kid might prefer to go outside their selection then the algorithm becomes very complex especially given the current input. Instead of guessing, we could increase the number of choices... perhaps up to 7! of course, with a bigger filter the chances of a placement increase, but cases of kids who qualify for national school and still miss might still occur since the loophole still exists. the only way out would be to work out the cut off mark factoring in affirmative action and basically randomly allocate kids to national schools - do away with the selection. But better still would be to do away with national schools, get rid of boarding government secondary schools and let it be the parents responsibility to get a school for their kid. It has never been proven that boarding schools offer better education than day-schools. I went to a day school that was right inside a town - Chania. We did quite well for ourselves - a good chunk of my classmates are highly respected professionals today, including yours truly....but, do I say? However doing away with boarding school is not as easy as Kibaki's 2003 declaration that "watoto waende shule jumatatu na wasilipishe karo!" GoK has failed miserably in the provision of secondary level education....and education generally. It has laid too much focus in the provision of running expense through programs like TSC, FPE and FDSE. School Development funding is almost non-existent. The spunky new structures you see in the schools are built through parent contribution. Truth is that GoK is one of the few in the world that spend largest share of budget on education, but we have to increase the money..... How about issuing an educational development bond similar to the infrastructure bond of a few years ago? Just a thought....
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Rank: Elder Joined: 4/22/2009 Posts: 2,863
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This so called affirmative action is sometimes a fallacy. Most parents do not take their children to overcrowded public schools by choice. The reasons are mainly financial. There are quite a number of good private primary schools which charge circa 20k fees per term. Now tell me if a parent can not afford to take their kid to a private school charging between 15-20k per term, how would such a parent manage to educate their kid in a school like say Alliance High where total cost last year was 147K ( including cost of text books since they don't provide any) per year for form one students. IF YOU EXPECT ME TO POST ANYTHING POSITIVE ABOUT ASENO, YOU MAY AS WELL SIT ON A PIN
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 2/2/2012 Posts: 1,134 Location: Nairobi
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mwenza wrote:This so called affirmative action is sometimes a fallacy. Most parents do not take their children to overcrowded public schools by choice. The reasons are mainly financial. There are quite a number of good private primary schools which charge circa 20k fees per term.
Now tell me if a parent can not afford to take their kid to a private school charging between 15-20k per term, how would such a parent manage to educate their kid in a school like say Alliance High where total cost last year was 147K ( including cost of text books since they don't provide any) per year for form one students. Remind me again why people are falling over one another trying to get their kids to Alliance? From your description, it doesn't seem like a good school at all - "they don't even provide text books!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 4/22/2009 Posts: 2,863
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chiaroscuro wrote:mwenza wrote:This so called affirmative action is sometimes a fallacy. Most parents do not take their children to overcrowded public schools by choice. The reasons are mainly financial. There are quite a number of good private primary schools which charge circa 20k fees per term.
Now tell me if a parent can not afford to take their kid to a private school charging between 15-20k per term, how would such a parent manage to educate their kid in a school like say Alliance High where total cost last year was 147K ( including cost of text books since they don't provide any) per year for form one students. Remind me again why people are falling over one another trying to get their kids to Alliance? From your description, it doesn't seem like a good school at all - "they don't even provide text books! Imagine that's the reality on the ground. IF YOU EXPECT ME TO POST ANYTHING POSITIVE ABOUT ASENO, YOU MAY AS WELL SIT ON A PIN
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 2/2/2012 Posts: 1,134 Location: Nairobi
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mwenza wrote:chiaroscuro wrote:mwenza wrote:This so called affirmative action is sometimes a fallacy. Most parents do not take their children to overcrowded public schools by choice. The reasons are mainly financial. There are quite a number of good private primary schools which charge circa 20k fees per term.
Now tell me if a parent can not afford to take their kid to a private school charging between 15-20k per term, how would such a parent manage to educate their kid in a school like say Alliance High where total cost last year was 147K ( including cost of text books since they don't provide any) per year for form one students. Remind me again why people are falling over one another trying to get their kids to Alliance? From your description, it doesn't seem like a good school at all - "they don't even provide text books! Imagine that's the reality on the ground. In that case, they keep their national schools! We don't want them!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/17/2009 Posts: 3,583 Location: Kenya
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chiaroscuro wrote:mwenza wrote:This so called affirmative action is sometimes a fallacy. Most parents do not take their children to overcrowded public schools by choice. The reasons are mainly financial. There are quite a number of good private primary schools which charge circa 20k fees per term.
Now tell me if a parent can not afford to take their kid to a private school charging between 15-20k per term, how would such a parent manage to educate their kid in a school like say Alliance High where total cost last year was 147K ( including cost of text books since they don't provide any) per year for form one students. Remind me again why people are falling over one another trying to get their kids to Alliance? From your description, it doesn't seem like a good school at all - "they don't even provide text books! huyu mwenza ako zake, kuna bursaries for poor kids, and private schools can discriminate on the kids they select for admission - thus the reason for the affirmative/quota system in place. if you stop limiting yourself to nairobi and other urban areas then you will see the bigger picture when it comes to the affirmative action.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 9/21/2011 Posts: 2,032
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chiaroscuro wrote:It has never been proven that national schools offer better education than county ones. That is, do they improve the academic prowess of their pupils? Nobody has ever attempted to measure it. However, there is some indication that pupils who get admitted to national schools do not make as much improvement in performance as those who go to county ones.
In other words, the preference for national schools is based to a large extent on belief, not scientific evidence. Education researchers must wake up and guide the nation! There is some level of politically correct leakage and spoon feeding that goes on in most of these top schools. If you are not in one you are disadvantaged somewhat even if brighter.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 4/22/2009 Posts: 2,863
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nakujua wrote:chiaroscuro wrote:mwenza wrote:This so called affirmative action is sometimes a fallacy. Most parents do not take their children to overcrowded public schools by choice. The reasons are mainly financial. There are quite a number of good private primary schools which charge circa 20k fees per term.
Now tell me if a parent can not afford to take their kid to a private school charging between 15-20k per term, how would such a parent manage to educate their kid in a school like say Alliance High where total cost last year was 147K ( including cost of text books since they don't provide any) per year for form one students. Remind me again why people are falling over one another trying to get their kids to Alliance? From your description, it doesn't seem like a good school at all - "they don't even provide text books! huyu mwenza ako zake, kuna bursaries for poor kids, and private schools can discriminate on the kids they select for admission - thus the reason for the affirmative/quota system in place. if you stop limiting yourself to nairobi and other urban areas then you will see the bigger picture when it comes to the affirmative action. @nakujua.... Trust me, am talking from point of knowledge. IF YOU EXPECT ME TO POST ANYTHING POSITIVE ABOUT ASENO, YOU MAY AS WELL SIT ON A PIN
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/17/2009 Posts: 3,583 Location: Kenya
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chiaroscuro wrote:nakujua wrote:chiaroscuro wrote:nakujua wrote:chiaroscuro wrote:MaichBlack wrote:chiaroscuro wrote:Looking at the sampled children in today's newspaper, I think the problem is that candidates and their guardians are not properly advised on how to make effective choices. How does one choose Alliance, Maranda, Lenana and Maseno? All these are highly competitive schools.
If you miss Alliance with your 407marks, you will find that by the time they try to place you in Maranda, it is already filled by those who chose it as first choice. Same for Lenana, Maseno and ALL other national schools and competitive county ones.
So, you'll be left out! The only thing the ministry can do is place you anywhere else there is a space.
People must learn that CHOICES HAVE CONSEQUENCES!
This a very stone age approach. If I chose a school as my second or third choice and I scored more marks than you, I should get a higher priority than you even if you chose it as your first choice if I miss my first choice. It's doable only the people involved are lazy, corrupt and clueless!!! If you chose a school as your first choice and I chose it as my third and one of us is supposed to be admitted there and I scored higher marks than you, it is common sense that I should get the slot before you, other things (affirmative action bla bla bla) being constant). The only difference should be that there are other two schools I'd rather have gone to but didn't meet the criteria. Common sense is surely not common - as far as this so called selection process is concerned. You do have a point and I hope MoE is scanning Wazua to get some ideas.... The net effect of your proposal is that all the choices are given equal priority and then placement is based on popularity of a school. That is, suppose Adam has 410 marks and Bob 400 Adam chooses Alliance as second choice while Bob chooses it as first choice. algorithim What you are saying is that we ignore the fact that Bob had a greater desire to go to Alliance that Adam and only look at their marks. So we give the slot to Adam even though he didn't want to go to Alliance as much as Bob. My opinion is that this is not fair to Bob. And secondly, we are giving too much focus on marks and ignoring the rest of the human being - his likes and dislikes etc! you have put it very well, the parameters that go into the algorithm are limiting the places, to have the scenario that @MaichBlack is advocating for, then we would need to change the parameters, but as you put it the current ranking of the choices is a parameter that has to be considered when doing the placement otherwise it would be a case of defining a variable and then not using it. The kids selection lists as used currently has led to the current scenario where some think that its unfair, but if we were to start guessing where a kid might prefer to go outside their selection then the algorithm becomes very complex especially given the current input. Instead of guessing, we could increase the number of choices... perhaps up to 7! of course, with a bigger filter the chances of a placement increase, but cases of kids who qualify for national school and still miss might still occur since the loophole still exists. the only way out would be to work out the cut off mark factoring in affirmative action and basically randomly allocate kids to national schools - do away with the selection. But better still would be to do away with national schools, get rid of boarding government secondary schools and let it be the parents responsibility to get a school for their kid. It has never been proven that boarding schools offer better education than day-schools. I went to a day school that was right inside a town - Chania. We did quite well for ourselves - a good chunk of my classmates are highly respected professionals today, including yours truly....but, do I say? However doing away with boarding school is not as easy as Kibaki's 2003 declaration that "watoto waende shule jumatatu na wasilipishe karo!" GoK has failed miserably in the provision of secondary level education....and education generally. It has laid too much focus in the provision of running expense through programs like TSC, FPE and FDSE. School Development funding is almost non-existent. The spunky new structures you see in the schools are built through parent contribution. Truth is that GoK is one of the few in the world that spend largest share of budget on education, but we have to increase the money..... How about issuing an educational development bond similar to the infrastructure bond of a few years ago? Just a thought.... The bond would inject some more cash into the education system, but I think even with the current funding, if it is equally spread out then we would have a more balanced system. The reason I would advocate for day schools is that, it would really rid ourselves of the fierce fights we have for the national schools and it would bring about some balance, and yes day schools can also perform well jamhuri high plus others pop to mind. the day schools plus a push to devolve education especially primary and secondary would be great, wacha local communities have a say in the running of their schools. The whole idea of segregating and discriminating 12 year olds on the basis of performance and then proceed to lump them according to their academic strengths has always been revolting to me.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/17/2008 Posts: 23,365 Location: Nairobi
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After all the discussions, the problem we have today is that there is really no system being followed by MoE just as @pound stated up there!!! ..."Wewe ni mtu mdogo sana....na mwenye amekuandika pia ni mtu mdogo sana!".
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/17/2009 Posts: 3,583 Location: Kenya
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mwenza wrote:nakujua wrote:chiaroscuro wrote:mwenza wrote:This so called affirmative action is sometimes a fallacy. Most parents do not take their children to overcrowded public schools by choice. The reasons are mainly financial. There are quite a number of good private primary schools which charge circa 20k fees per term.
Now tell me if a parent can not afford to take their kid to a private school charging between 15-20k per term, how would such a parent manage to educate their kid in a school like say Alliance High where total cost last year was 147K ( including cost of text books since they don't provide any) per year for form one students. Remind me again why people are falling over one another trying to get their kids to Alliance? From your description, it doesn't seem like a good school at all - "they don't even provide text books! huyu mwenza ako zake, kuna bursaries for poor kids, and private schools can discriminate on the kids they select for admission - thus the reason for the affirmative/quota system in place. if you stop limiting yourself to nairobi and other urban areas then you will see the bigger picture when it comes to the affirmative action. @nakujua.... Trust me, am talking from point of knowledge. then sielewi that point - remember in the public vs private school scenario, the latter can only admit those who can afford while the former accounts for both and the reason some balancing act is put in place.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/3/2008 Posts: 4,057 Location: Gwitu
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What ails the Day schools? Only Strathmore performs exceptionally! Truth forever on the scaffold
Wrong forever on the throne
(James Russell Rowell)
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/22/2009 Posts: 7,460
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kaka2za wrote:What ails the Day schools? Only Strathmore performs exceptionally! Unless the are other underlying issues (like health concerns etc.) I would NEVER take my kid to a day school past class 6. Unless you are in the house by 5:00 pm to supervise their studying, it's an effort in futility. With the kind of life styles nowadays - mobile phones, Internet, 24 hour TV stations with interesting stuff, series, malls etc. - there is no much studying they would do. The level of discipline required is too much to ask of kids that age. Even fully grown men and women are being taken over by the likes of Facebook to an extent employers have to block them to at least get some work done! If one cannot afford a boarding school, that is okay. Half a loaf is always better than none. But if you can afford... Never count on making a good sale. Have the purchase price be so attractive that even a mediocre sale gives good returns.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/22/2009 Posts: 7,460
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nakujua wrote:mwenza wrote:nakujua wrote:chiaroscuro wrote:mwenza wrote:This so called affirmative action is sometimes a fallacy. Most parents do not take their children to overcrowded public schools by choice. The reasons are mainly financial. There are quite a number of good private primary schools which charge circa 20k fees per term.
Now tell me if a parent can not afford to take their kid to a private school charging between 15-20k per term, how would such a parent manage to educate their kid in a school like say Alliance High where total cost last year was 147K ( including cost of text books since they don't provide any) per year for form one students. Remind me again why people are falling over one another trying to get their kids to Alliance? From your description, it doesn't seem like a good school at all - "they don't even provide text books! huyu mwenza ako zake, kuna bursaries for poor kids, and private schools can discriminate on the kids they select for admission - thus the reason for the affirmative/quota system in place. if you stop limiting yourself to nairobi and other urban areas then you will see the bigger picture when it comes to the affirmative action. @nakujua.... Trust me, am talking from point of knowledge. then sielewi that point - remember in the public vs private school scenario, the latter can only admit those who can afford while the former accounts for both and the reason some balancing act is put in place. National Schools almost always have better facilities compared to other public school. The fact that the schools that were upgrade to National schools were give a couple of millions each to upgrade their facilities attests to this. Secondly, due to expectations, teachers in traditionally high performing schools are pressured to keep standards up. A good number of teachers would never want to teach in National Schools because of the pressure. A relative was telling me you can get 100 As in Maths and you are called to the office to explain the unacceptable failure given the previous year there were 160 straight As. In other schools, half the students getting Es is an achievement because they are used to 75% Es. Most teachers prefer the later because mshahara ni ule ule (Apart from "Motivation allowance"). If your kid is in the former, he will benefit from the fact that the teacher is under pressure to ensure he and the classmates outperform the previous class. Never count on making a good sale. Have the purchase price be so attractive that even a mediocre sale gives good returns.
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@maich, the main motivation was the glorification that comes with ranking, and opportunities to make a kill as parents stumble over seeking transfers and back door admissions in subsequent years. Imagine teachers waking up kids at 4am in maranda, form 4 syllabus over in Jan, while in mathogothanio, kids struggle on their own. No way results can compare
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