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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/22/2009 Posts: 7,838
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chiaroscuro wrote:Looking at the sampled children in today's newspaper, I think the problem is that candidates and their guardians are not properly advised on how to make effective choices. How does one choose Alliance, Maranda, Lenana and Maseno? All these are highly competitive schools.
If you miss Alliance with your 407marks, you will find that by the time they try to place you in Maranda, it is already filled by those who chose it as first choice. Same for Lenana, Maseno and ALL other national schools and competitive county ones.
So, you'll be left out! The only thing the ministry can do is place you anywhere else there is a space.
People must learn that CHOICES HAVE CONSEQUENCES!
This a very stone age approach. If I chose a school as my second or third choice and I scored more marks than you, I should get a higher priority than you even if you chose it as your first choice if I miss my first choice. It's doable only the people involved are lazy, corrupt and clueless!!! If you chose a school as your first choice and I chose it as my third and one of us is supposed to be admitted there and I scored higher marks than you, it is common sense that I should get the slot before you, other things (affirmative action bla bla bla) being constant). The only difference should be that there are other two schools I'd rather have gone to but didn't meet the criteria. Common sense is surely not common - as far as this so called selection process is concerned. Never count on making a good sale. Have the purchase price be so attractive that even a mediocre sale gives good returns.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/22/2009 Posts: 7,838
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There are replacement algorithms that can be used. First, All National School (and later the others) choose students based on their first choice. Each school is now "full". Second, all National Schools "choose" students based on their second choice. If there is a student who had higher marks than one who had already been picked based on the first choice, he/she replaces that student and the one with lower marks is returned to the pool and subjected to a re - check based on his or her second choice to see if he can replace someone in his second choice school. This is repeated for all choices one made till they get a school or the choices are exhausted Other parameters like private/public school, quota system etc. can be programmed in. A first year or second year student can write such code for you and all this nonsense will be in the past!!! Never count on making a good sale. Have the purchase price be so attractive that even a mediocre sale gives good returns.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/3/2008 Posts: 4,058 Location: Gwitu
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limanika wrote:It appears the 25% rule was applied not just in national schools but also extra county and county. Only in district schools it didn't apply. That's why kids with over 390 from private schools could only secure in the districts...I think private schools will eventually die, naturally You are wrong. Private secondary schools will get very good students. After 4 years, the private schools will outshine National schools. Truth forever on the scaffold
Wrong forever on the throne
(James Russell Rowell)
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/17/2008 Posts: 23,365 Location: Nairobi
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chiaroscuro wrote:And another thing: pupils are NOT selected to join secondary schools; they CHOOSE schools of their choice. If you don't make it to your chosen schools, the ministry posts you where there is space! That was then!!!! ..."Wewe ni mtu mdogo sana....na mwenye amekuandika pia ni mtu mdogo sana!".
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 9/21/2011 Posts: 2,032
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Murira Ikihia wrote:I fully sympathise with the affected kids because I was a victim of a similar scam - 38 years ago. I had scored 32 out of 36 points (equivalent to 444 today) and was picked in our local neighbourhood school - it was partly harambee with a government aided class. At the time, there were students there who would Muratina instead of tea during break-time! It almost broke my spirit but after the initial shock we adjusted and actually ended up uplifting the school performance to levels it had never seen. My take on this is: encourage those bright kids who have no choice but to live with this reality to settle down and take their revenge by working harder than those privileged ones. Take from me, it will change their lives and could even uplift these backwater institutions. Its called the school of hard knocks. ha ha ha..not to blow your bubble but you can't compare marks and points directly. Correct m if am wrong : if back in the day you sat 3 papers, and a A ranged from 80-100%, your 32 points translate to an average of B+. In current system, ignoring all other factors, you would have gotten 325-350. You could have secured a seat in the national schools however in 2015!
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 9/21/2011 Posts: 2,032
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kaka2za wrote:limanika wrote:It appears the 25% rule was applied not just in national schools but also extra county and county. Only in district schools it didn't apply. That's why kids with over 390 from private schools could only secure in the districts...I think private schools will eventually die, naturally You are wrong. Private secondary schools will get very good students. After 4 years, the private schools will outshine National schools. wembe ni ule ule, who tells you gvt will not apply same principal when selecting for public university if that happens
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 2/2/2012 Posts: 1,134 Location: Nairobi
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McReggae wrote:chiaroscuro wrote:And another thing: pupils are NOT selected to join secondary schools; they CHOOSE schools of their choice. If you don't make it to your chosen schools, the ministry posts you where there is space! That was then!!!! What's the point of making choices then?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 8/4/2008 Posts: 2,849 Location: Rupi
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nakujua wrote:Swenani wrote:Torio wrote:This selection stinks. And it is not just private school kids. My friend's daughter - who was in a rural public school in Central - scored 400 and was selected to join Loreto Kiambu (not Limuru), which is just so-so. A girl who scored 378, and who was from the same school will be going to Precious Blood Riruta. My friend's girl had Riruta as her 1st choice. It does not make any sense.
If, as Kaimenyi says, “The government's intention is to make all secondary schools operate at the same level so that we end this belief that there are inferior and superior schools,” then what is the point of doing a national exam? Why not go majimbo all the way then, American style?
I'll give them one thing, there will be bribery left, right ... You are new to wazua right?  , pole kwake - but I thought both schools are extra county schools so at the same level. My friends daughter scored 342 and has been called to Kenya High. Lord, thank you!
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Rank: User Joined: 1/20/2014 Posts: 3,528
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Euge wrote:nakujua wrote:Swenani wrote:Torio wrote:This selection stinks. And it is not just private school kids. My friend's daughter - who was in a rural public school in Central - scored 400 and was selected to join Loreto Kiambu (not Limuru), which is just so-so. A girl who scored 378, and who was from the same school will be going to Precious Blood Riruta. My friend's girl had Riruta as her 1st choice. It does not make any sense.
If, as Kaimenyi says, “The government's intention is to make all secondary schools operate at the same level so that we end this belief that there are inferior and superior schools,” then what is the point of doing a national exam? Why not go majimbo all the way then, American style?
I'll give them one thing, there will be bribery left, right ... You are new to wazua right? , pole kwake - but I thought both schools are extra county schools so at the same level. My friends daughter scored 342 and has been called to Kenya High. #team Affirmative action lot  Formal education will make you a living. Self-education will make you a fortune - Jim Rohn.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/17/2009 Posts: 3,583 Location: Kenya
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MaichBlack wrote:There are replacement algorithms that can be used.
First, All National School (and later the others) choose students based on their first choice. Each school is now "full".
Second, all National Schools "choose" students based on their second choice. If there is a student who had higher marks than one who had already been picked based on the first choice, he/she replaces that student and the one with lower marks is returned to the pool and subjected to a re - check based on his or her second choice to see if he can replace someone in his second choice school.
This is repeated for all choices one made till they get a school or the choices are exhausted
Other parameters like private/public school, quota system etc. can be programmed in.
A first year or second year student can write such code for you and all this nonsense will be in the past!!! as I mentioned to you before, the problem is the pool of national schools that are selected is kidogo and the competition for the same is high, if it was a random placement to national schools then that would work, but the moment you introduce a subset in that algorithim then the output becomes constrained and the chances of a hit lowers, meaning the logic has posibilities of failing to place a kid in a national school despite meeting the passmark. And that is what happens, just that with social networks it's being highlighted more, lakini that always happens because of that algorithim and the parameters used.
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