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Hey Guys, I am currently holding approx 30K barclays shares. was wondering if it would be a good idea to accumulate more before the results are announced and also considering the lowly prices atm. What do you reckon the returns will be like? Worth it or better lakes to fish in? I can Imagine a lot of you are not fans of Barclays as I haven't seen discussions on it (unless I haven't dug deep enough). Asante Dreams are not the thing you see in your sleep..it's the thing that doesn't let you sleep. - A.P.J. Abdul Kalam
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2012 Posts: 15,980
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If I was you. I'd not get more rather i'd look at other counters. Barclays to me is not appealing and I'll give you my reasons. 1. The bank is limited to only having its operations in Kenya. We cannot say that Barclays will expand to South Sudan etc. 2. The major decisions regarding policy and change have to be approved by some guys in London so as the local banks are adjusting promptly to suit the needs of Wanjiku, Barclays will always be dragging its feet. "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore .
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Rank: New-farer Joined: 9/25/2012 Posts: 58 Location: kenia
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Barclays bank is one big sleeping giant, buy buy buy
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Rank: Member Joined: 5/9/2014 Posts: 130 Location: Nairobi
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@murchr, I couldn't have agreed better with your analysis on Barclays Bank, I take the view that Barclays is a bank for institutions such as colleges, universities, travelers offering cheques, cards e.t.c. but as opposed to the local banks it doesn't go beyond addressing the everyday changes and peculiar behaviour of the common man and so for me no, I advise against it if you take the last one year I've tracked the prices between 16 and 18 or thereabout, even if they have a good return on end year best they may reach is 21 on average which I think isn't really great. Look elsewhere, there are better counters.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 9/23/2009 Posts: 8,083 Location: Enk are Nyirobi
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The analysis by @Hoover www.investinginafrica.ne...kenyas-best-bank-stocks/Life is short. Live passionately.
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Rank: Member Joined: 1/4/2015 Posts: 153
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Ok let me explain how i look at this and then criticise me so i can know where i am going wrong. 1. I feel as Barclays is the lowest valued Banking share listed it is the most affordable. 2. Safe Bet i.e Globally backed - defo not going down and finances can be injected. 3. With a stable price range gives you a decent dividend which I see as a good deal. I mean having a decent holding like lets say 100,000 shares can allow you decent income similarly to that of a savings account (naturally I am aware better rates can be achieved from banks) I think the way i look at shares i concern myself more with the dividend than with growth (if it grows waheyy bravo) of the share i.e. because, the more shares I have the more dividend I will earn, also larger share holding can allow one to obtain loans/financing for business loans from barclays as a result. naturally this regards to loads and loads of shares. Also I see Goldman Sachs holds 75 million shares..surely there must be a reason they've dropped almost 10 million pounds here..!! Dreams are not the thing you see in your sleep..it's the thing that doesn't let you sleep. - A.P.J. Abdul Kalam
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Ssssshhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!Afew days to February and here comes the 2014 FY results. She is still very young looking....aka Madonna!!!
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Rank: Member Joined: 11/7/2013 Posts: 127 Location: Nairobi, Kenya
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ayushnehra wrote:Ok let me explain how i look at this and then criticise me so i can know where i am going wrong.
1. I feel as Barclays is the lowest valued Banking share listed it is the most affordable.
2. Safe Bet i.e Globally backed - defo not going down and finances can be injected.
3. With a stable price range gives you a decent dividend which I see as a good deal. I mean having a decent holding like lets say 100,000 shares can allow you decent income similarly to that of a savings account (naturally I am aware better rates can be achieved from banks)
I think the way i look at shares i concern myself more with the dividend than with growth (if it grows waheyy bravo) of the share i.e. because, the more shares I have the more dividend I will earn, also larger share holding can allow one to obtain loans/financing for business loans from barclays as a result. naturally this regards to loads and loads of shares.
Also I see Goldman Sachs holds 75 million shares..surely there must be a reason they've dropped almost 10 million pounds here..!!
Goldman Sachs holds 75 million shares of the Parent company I'm assuming...you're interest is in the Kenyan subsidiary which as was aptly noted has minimal flexibility in terms of aggressive expansion and/ or innovation the likes of Memba... Stable price, a dividend stock this surely is...but with 30,000 shares in your portfolio already...isn't that a guaranteed Kshs. 30,000 annually? Assuming a market purchase price of Kshs. 17...that's Kshs. 510,000 worth of investment (I understand you didn't buy the shares yourself though)...giving you a dividend yield of 30,000/510,000 = 5.88%. (100 basis points off inflation mark)..a corporate/ treasury bond gives you double that rate with the flexibility to liquidate currently... Low valuations don't necessarily mean value...your DPS will not exponentially grow with Barclays (I put it a generous maximum of Kshs. 2/share)...Barclays Kenya will grow when Barclays Bank Plc wants to grow and pressure is on subsidiary units to perform... As it is, your Barclays shares look solid, no need to add-on...I can't comment on the parent company and why Goldman has invested... Anyway consider your investment strategy, is it: capital preservation, capital appreciation or income generation...then decide. I went into the (Ferry) industry knowing the same thing I knew with all other businesses I went into- Nothing. Then I built it from there. - Sheldon Adelson (Titans at the Table- Giants of Macau)
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Rank: New-farer Joined: 9/25/2012 Posts: 58 Location: kenia
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Barclays Bank Kenya net earnings for the nine months to September rose 3 per cent to Sh6.4 billion from Sh6.2 billion at the same period last year."There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore .
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Rank: Member Joined: 3/15/2009 Posts: 360
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Their net for nine months is the pre tax for kcb first quarter only, when did this bank loose the plot
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Rank: Elder Joined: 4/22/2010 Posts: 11,522 Location: Nairobi
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shocks wrote:Their net for nine months is the pre tax for kcb first quarter only, when did this bank loose the plot When they started sifting their clientele.... possunt quia posse videntur
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Rank: Chief Joined: 1/3/2007 Posts: 18,121 Location: Nairobi
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shocks wrote:Their net for nine months is the pre tax for kcb first quarter only, when did this bank loose the plot BBK was by far the MOST profitable bank in Kenya in the 90s & even into early 2000s. It was THE bank. Not KCB. Not Stanchart. Anyone who was a serious/genuine businessman had an account at BBK or Stanchart. Then came the bull-headed decision to fukuzwa 'wananchi' from their branches. BBK not only closed some branches but they kicked out customers with less than 5K. Stanchart did something similar. Then came the likes of Equity which bought out fully kitted branches from BBK & SCBK at a pittance. Equity, KCB (revamped under Gareth George, Terry Davidson, Martin Oduor-Otieno), Family, etc recruited the same customers who BBK booted out. The rest, my friends, is history! Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
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VituVingiSana wrote:shocks wrote:Their net for nine months is the pre tax for kcb first quarter only, when did this bank loose the plot BBK was by far the MOST profitable bank in Kenya in the 90s & even into early 2000s. It was THE bank. Not KCB. Not Stanchart. Anyone who was a serious/genuine businessman had an account at BBK or Stanchart. Then came the bull-headed decision to fukuzwa 'wananchi' from their branches. BBK not only closed some branches but they kicked out customers with less than 5K. Stanchart did something similar.Then came the likes of Equity which bought out fully kitted branches from BBK & SCBK at a pittance. Equity, KCB (revamped under Gareth George, Terry Davidson, Martin Oduor-Otieno), Family, etc recruited the same customers who BBK booted out. The rest, my friends, is history! BBK and SBK forgot an important fact 'poverty is a place we pass through not a life residence.' By their foolishness they created the foundation for one of the greatest banking revolutions ever seen. But that was a long time ago. What will it take for Kenyans to forgive and move on, yawa! "The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement. But the opposite of a profound truth may well be another profound truth." (Niels Bohr)
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/21/2010 Posts: 6,183 Location: nairobi
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Wakanyugi wrote:VituVingiSana wrote:shocks wrote:Their net for nine months is the pre tax for kcb first quarter only, when did this bank loose the plot BBK was by far the MOST profitable bank in Kenya in the 90s & even into early 2000s. It was THE bank. Not KCB. Not Stanchart. Anyone who was a serious/genuine businessman had an account at BBK or Stanchart. Then came the bull-headed decision to fukuzwa 'wananchi' from their branches. BBK not only closed some branches but they kicked out customers with less than 5K. Stanchart did something similar.Then came the likes of Equity which bought out fully kitted branches from BBK & SCBK at a pittance. Equity, KCB (revamped under Gareth George, Terry Davidson, Martin Oduor-Otieno), Family, etc recruited the same customers who BBK booted out. The rest, my friends, is history! BBK and SBK forgot an important fact 'poverty is a place we pass through not a life residence.' By their foolishness they created the foundation for one of the greatest banking revolutions ever seen. But that was a long time ago. What will it take for Kenyans to forgive and move on, yawa! if we have not forgiven telkom kenya why should we forgive barclays? "Don't let the fear of losing be greater than the excitement of winning."
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Rank: Elder Joined: 5/25/2012 Posts: 4,105 Location: 08c
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Wakanyugi wrote:VituVingiSana wrote:shocks wrote:Their net for nine months is the pre tax for kcb first quarter only, when did this bank loose the plot BBK was by far the MOST profitable bank in Kenya in the 90s & even into early 2000s. It was THE bank. Not KCB. Not Stanchart. Anyone who was a serious/genuine businessman had an account at BBK or Stanchart. Then came the bull-headed decision to fukuzwa 'wananchi' from their branches. BBK not only closed some branches but they kicked out customers with less than 5K. Stanchart did something similar.Then came the likes of Equity which bought out fully kitted branches from BBK & SCBK at a pittance. Equity, KCB (revamped under Gareth George, Terry Davidson, Martin Oduor-Otieno), Family, etc recruited the same customers who BBK booted out. The rest, my friends, is history! BBK and SBK forgot an important fact 'poverty is a place we pass through not a life residence.' By their foolishness they created the foundation for one of the greatest banking revolutions ever seen. But that was a long time ago. What will it take for Kenyans to forgive and move on, yawa! 1. Refund with interest the out-of-this-world monthly charges of Ksh. 500 then! 2. Apologize and refund with interest ALL monies stolen via "cash handling" charges on deposits. Deposit!!! Pesa Nane plans to be shilingi when he grows up.
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Rank: Chief Joined: 1/3/2007 Posts: 18,121 Location: Nairobi
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Wakanyugi wrote:VituVingiSana wrote:shocks wrote:Their net for nine months is the pre tax for kcb first quarter only, when did this bank loose the plot BBK was by far the MOST profitable bank in Kenya in the 90s & even into early 2000s. It was THE bank. Not KCB. Not Stanchart. Anyone who was a serious/genuine businessman had an account at BBK or Stanchart. Then came the bull-headed decision to fukuzwa 'wananchi' from their branches. BBK not only closed some branches but they kicked out customers with less than 5K. Stanchart did something similar.Then came the likes of Equity which bought out fully kitted branches from BBK & SCBK at a pittance. Equity, KCB (revamped under Gareth George, Terry Davidson, Martin Oduor-Otieno), Family, etc recruited the same customers who BBK booted out. The rest, my friends, is history! BBK and SBK forgot an important fact 'poverty is a place we pass through not a life residence.' By their foolishness they created the foundation for one of the greatest banking revolutions ever seen. But that was a long time ago. What will it take for Kenyans to forgive and move on, yawa! What BBK (& Stanchart) have is 'trust' [backed by the humongous parents] so a hiccup with Equity (think Imperial) will cause a stampede of (private sector) corporate customers to BBK & SCBK. Perhaps even to KCB since it has the backing of GoK. Other than that, BBK & SCBK have lost the plot for a long time to come. Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
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