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Stocks vs Buying a house - A tale of two kenyans
mtumishi
#1 Posted : Wednesday, January 14, 2015 9:06:53 PM
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Hello Wazuans. All protocols observed and that out of the way

Being January I thought it best to come up with a hypothetical scenario for wazuans to chew on and we can all hopefully benefit from the brilliant minds here as they chambua it.

My hypothetical involves two midlevel managers, John and Charles working at a bluechip company in Westlands. Both hold the same qualifications, are of the same age (35) and earn the same salary. They both happen to have one kid each and spouses who choose to stay at home mums (this is for simplifying the hesabus). John and Charles both earn Sh. 300,000 gross per month. According to calculator.co.ke, this will result in a net pay of Sh. 215,547 each month. They both currently live in the same apartment block in Kileleshwa and pay rent of Sh. 40,000 per month for a 2br apartment. They then both spend 60,000 per month on food and other expenses for a total of Sh. 100,000 thus leaving them with Sh. 115,547 as free cash available for investment.

John has watched the Utahama Lini advert and feels like he is throwing away money by paying rent and is now ready to take a mortgage. He has saved 1.3 million bob cash to pay the 10% down payment so he then gets a 13 million bob loan at 13% interest from a local bank to buy a 2br apartment in Kileleshwa that’s on sale for 14.3 million. His wife and daughter love the apartment and his friends also compliment him on his purchase. Having to no longer pay rent, he now has the 40,000 bob to add to his free cash of 115,000 for a total of 155,000 as mortgage payments. Based on the mortgage calculations the bank provides him, he will pay a monthly amount of Sh. 152,304 for 20yrs. He diligently pays this amount per month for 20yrs and makes his last payment at the age of 55. After 20yrs, he has paid the bank the principal figure of Sh. 13m plus interest of Sh. 23,553,164 for a total payment of Sh. 36,553,164. At the end of the 20yrs, his apartment in Kileleshwa that was priced at 14.3m at purchase is now valued at Ksh. 50m due to escalation over the years.

During the 20yrs, his employer gives him a 5% pay rise per year but he uses the additional amount to meet the rising costs of life’s basics like shopping and fees. He therefore keeps his mortgage payment constant throughout the 20yrs. His dedication to paying off the mortgage means that he never has any free cash to make any other type of investment except his pension which stands at a total sum of Sh. 8 million at the age of 55 and pays out a monthly annuity of Sh. 66,000 in his retirement. His daughter is now ready to join university in Australia at a cost of Sh. 1.5m a year for a 4yr course. He is averse to selling the apartment although its value has escalated as he feels he is not ready to settle down in his rural farm yet.

Summary of assets at 55: Apartment worth 50m and Pension worth 8m for total networth of Sh. 58 million.

Charles on the other hand has also shopped around for a house but does not like the idea of being indebted for an amount he considers high for such an extended period of time (20yrs) as he is not sure that his company will not close its Kenya office during that time as has happened to some other companies in his industry. Like his colleague John, he has also saved Sh. 1.3m in the bank. He decides to take this lumpsum amount and invest it into the Nairobi stock market buying a couple of blue chips mixed with some growth stocks. Just like John, he earns a net salary of 215,547 and pays rent of Sh. 40,000 for a 2br apartment worth 14m and has monthly living costs of 60,000. He also has Sh. 115,000 to invest. He thinks his landlord may surprise him with rent increases every so often so he decides to set aside Sh. 30,000 in a savings account so that he can set up a standing order to his stock broker for the balance 85,000 every month without worrying whether his rent will go up. When the rent does go up, he finances the extra cost from the savings in the bank without having to reduce his monthly investment amount. The 30,000 per month savings also serve as his cash buffer in case any major financial need comes up that is totally unavoidable so that he is never forced to borrow. Like John, his employer gives him a 5% pay rise per year which he uses to meet the rising costs of life’s basics like shopping and fees. He uses a standing order to the bank so as to make his investment automatic and through this manages to never miss a payment for 20yrs. His portfolio, a mix of growth and blue chip stocks manages to return an average annual return of 13% over the 20yrs although in his best year he manages to get 47% annual return but also gets a negative return of -11% in his worst year with a lot of fluctuations in between. Based on his average 13% return compounded annually on his lumpsum of 1.3m and constant monthly investment of 85,000, his portfolio is valued at Sh. 102,356,790 after 20yrs at the age of 55. He doesn’t own a house but has a pension worth Sh. 8 million from his employer that pays out a monthly annuity of Sh. 66,000 in his retirement. His daughter also has been admitted to a top university in Canada at a cost of Sh. 2m per year for a 4yr course. He is also looking to live in his own house as he doesn’t want to pay rent in retirement. However, he is willing to settle further away from the busy CBD as he is no longer working and has seen that he can buy land in juja and build his own maisonette at a cost of Sh. 50m.

Summary of assets at 55: Stock portfolio worth 102m and Pension worth 8m for total networth of Sh. 110 million.

John and Charles meet at their retirement parties and reflect on their long journey to retirement.

Discuss (10 marks)

Derive the monthly rent Charles is most likely paying for his apartment in year 19 (5 marks)

KILELESHWA 2BR APARTMENT - Sh. 13.5mn

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sparkly
#2 Posted : Wednesday, January 14, 2015 9:08:59 PM
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Who is going to read that? Summarize your hypothesis and conclusions buana.
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shrewdinvestor
#3 Posted : Wednesday, January 14, 2015 10:23:06 PM
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@Mtumishi,good food for thought,though for those with mortgages,it is a bitter pill to swallow!It is obvious who did the right bet,but some wazuans may argue otherwise depending on which side of the coin they are!
Blessed Gem
#4 Posted : Thursday, January 15, 2015 1:52:16 AM
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Interesting analysis
shocks
#5 Posted : Thursday, January 15, 2015 7:44:53 AM
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since nilikuwa bundus nikicheza bano in 1995, a guy who was in Nairobi that time can advice on how much rent you'd pay for a two bedroomed appartment. The past will help us do the projection beter
Kihara joni
#6 Posted : Thursday, January 15, 2015 7:58:08 AM
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Mortgage equals very bad idea unless the house is paying for itself which currently in Kenya is story of giants
YoungMulla
#7 Posted : Thursday, January 15, 2015 8:25:08 AM
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Very good comparisons. I'd obviously go with plan two and hope for even better ROI.
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kryptonite
#8 Posted : Thursday, January 15, 2015 8:33:27 AM
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sparkly wrote:
Who is going to read that? Summarize your hypothesis and conclusions buana.


Wacha kuniangusha buana, it's a very easy read. Read it over the weekend and give us your thoughts/analysis.
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bird_man
#9 Posted : Thursday, January 15, 2015 8:49:21 AM
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Lets not loose focus here.The question is:
Derive the monthly rent Charles is most likely paying for his apartment in year 19.
Formally employed people often live their employers' dream & forget about their own.
Kalameni
#10 Posted : Thursday, January 15, 2015 8:57:21 AM
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@mtumishi how do you arrive at ksh50M as value of john"s apartment in 20yrs.
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#11 Posted : Thursday, January 15, 2015 9:24:27 AM
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Kihara joni wrote:
Mortgage equals very bad idea unless the house is paying for itself which currently in Kenya is story of giants

Lool!! Story of giants!!
You just made my morning joni
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Lolest!
#12 Posted : Thursday, January 15, 2015 9:44:00 AM
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Mtumishi. Nice entry. Karibu wazua. I can't find annything to poke holes in your 2scenarios. But middle class fellows saving 53% are very few
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mtumishi
#13 Posted : Thursday, January 15, 2015 9:52:42 AM
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Having received requests from my constituents for a hybrid scenario, here goes:

As John discusses the mortgage calculations he has received from the bank with his wife, he begins to entertain thoughts of moving his family from Kileleshwa. He recalls having seen beautiful apartments for sale in Ruaka when visiting a family friend. His wife is however not sure that they can get good schools in Ruaka and is also worried about insecurity. John manages to calm his wife’s fears by reminding her that their family friend had lived in Ruaka for five years without incident and seemed very happy there. Plus they both agree that an extra bedroom would be nice. John and his wife therefore agree to move to Ruaka by purchasing a 3br apartment that is on sale for 9 million. He decides to take financing for the entire sum of 9m from the bank through a mortgage although he has saved 1.3m cash in his account. The bank informs him that he will pay back a principal sum of Sh. 105,441 pm for 20yrs and will end up paying a total of Sh. 25,306,039. At the end of 20yrs, he finds that the value of his apartment has appreciated to Sh. 35m.

After deducting the mortgage of 105,000 from his Ksh. 155,000 free cash per month, he decides that he will use the balance 50,000 to invest in the NSE although he deducts 5,000pm to cater for estimated increase in his fuel usage driving from Ruaka to his workplace daily. He decides to invest the 1.3m in his account as a lumpsum to kickstart in portfolio. He then instructs his bank to set up a standing order to his broker for Sh. 45,000 pm which he religiously invests for 20yrs. After earning a compounded annual return of 13% from the stock exchange he finds that at 55 his portfolio is valued at Sh. 61,769,304. He also has a defined benefit pension from his employer that is valued at 8m and pays Sh. 66,000pm upon retirement.

Summary of assets at 55: Stock portfolio worth 62m, 3br apartment in Ruaka valued at Sh. 35m and Pension worth 8m for total networth of Sh. 105 million

3br APARTMENT IN RUAKA - SH. 9M
Takeshi
#14 Posted : Thursday, January 15, 2015 10:23:14 AM
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Applause Very nice post mtumishi, you have highlighted major issues that trouble many of us in making a decision.

A question though, I am not an expert in stocks, is it a guarantee that despite the turbulence, in the long run (say 10 to 20 years) stocks will always give positive returns and for that matter very good returns ?
XSK
#15 Posted : Thursday, January 15, 2015 10:34:05 AM
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Takeshi wrote:
Applause Very nice post mtumishi, you have highlighted major issues that trouble many of us in making a decision.

A question though, I am not an expert in stocks, is it a guarantee that despite the turbulence, in the long run (say 10 to 20 years) stocks will always give positive returns and for that matter very good returns ?


Disclaimer

Past performance is not necessarily a guide to future performance!
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Moorings
#16 Posted : Thursday, January 15, 2015 10:45:15 AM
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sell the house once it appreciates to 20m, pay off the mortgage [which would have reduced marginaly] say 6m, bank 14m, buy a new apartment cash for 10m, invest 4m in stocks + the entire monthly savings. @ 55yrs he'll come out ahead richer!!!
Swenani
#17 Posted : Thursday, January 15, 2015 10:52:26 AM
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Moorings wrote:
sell the house once it appreciates to 20m, pay off the mortgage [which would have reduced marginaly] say 6m, bank 14m, buy a new apartment cash for 10m, invest 4m in stocks + the entire monthly savings. @ 55yrs he'll come out ahead richer!!!



So only your apartment will appreciate in value while the others remain at 10M?
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mtumishi
#18 Posted : Thursday, January 15, 2015 10:56:36 AM
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@shrewdinvestor. Thx although I would hope that this post is taken as not prescribing one right or wrong way to do things but as an illustration of the famous ‘choices have consequences’ saying.

@sparkly. Beware he who will not read anything due to the fact that it is more than one paragraph as he may well be the same person who wont read the fine print on their mortgage documents or insurance policies or simply relies on his broker’s BUY/SELL recommendations as its too much work to read financial statements. Let each person read and reach their own conclusions
@bird_man. Have you managed to derive the rent? Please share your answer with the rest of the class

@kalameni. Arriving at how much the house would be valued is an area where I would like those with more knowledge than me in this area to assist. Sh. 14.3m to 50m is 6.5% annual growth but my view is that there just may be a ceiling valuation that apartments especially will struggle to surpass. But prices for apartments in Manhattan could prove otherwise.

@lollest!. Very true that a high savings rate has been assumed. But if a person was save and deploy to investments even half of what John and Charles did, they would still end up in a good situation at retirement. Remember that one assumption is a non-working spouse. If the spouse brings in income then the savings goal becomes more attainable. My hope is that this post will inspire at least one person to give it a shot

@takeshi. Good question. Click this link to see an analysis of historical returns for the US stock market. I am yet to see a similar one for the NSE and would love to hear from our stocks gurus on what an average return is reasonable projecting into 20yrs. But studies show that stocks have generally outperformed other asset classes over the long term and I believe that 13% is achievable and some would say even on the conservative side. Remember that the ‘real’ return will require that you adjust the figures for inflation so the 110m networth of 2035 is not necessarily the same as 110m of today but is still a good networth for retirement. The main issue may be just how liquid the networth is to support your living costs.

@xsk. Well put. Past performance is not a guarantee of future returns but can be a good guide

Some major assumptions taken in the posts include that both John and Charles don’t lose their jobs or die, that they don’t get better jobs elsewhere, that they don’t get catastrophic medical issues or have to support others with such issues, that their pension does not require contribution from their pay in which case their net pay will need to reflect this, that the mortgage rates remain fixed as variable rates can mean significant changes in the monthly mortgage amount and any other assumptions that wazuans can pick out
jwatesh
#19 Posted : Thursday, January 15, 2015 11:09:09 AM
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Did we factor in dividends from the stocks held? Dividends are just as high as rent money in some companies invested
Fyatu
#20 Posted : Thursday, January 15, 2015 12:05:55 PM
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@Mtumishi Very stimulating analogy.The hybrid scenario is much more wiser but personally at 55 i would prefer to live somewhere far from ilovi.
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